Personally loved Snow felt kept Bigby from going over the line she is perfect partner to calm bigby down. Loved her strict character just wants to follow the rules completely understand her stance and most time she is correct but never listened. Snow learned off Crane that system is corrupt at the core so why follow the rules to keep rich getting richer never burnt down the tree like snow wanted legally correct decision but just plain wrong. Overall big fan of Snow more realistic female who actually has a voice and wants to make a difference
Personally loved Snow felt kept Bigby from going over the line she is perfect partner to calm bigby down. Loved her strict character just wa… morents to follow the rules completely understand her stance and most time she is correct but never listened. Snow learned off Crane that system is corrupt at the core so why follow the rules to keep rich getting richer never burnt down the tree like snow wanted legally correct decision but just plain wrong. Overall big fan of Snow more realistic female who actually has a voice and wants to make a difference
Snow stands up for what she believes in and fights for her beliefs. She understands the situation at hand and since she is in charge she is going to handle it her own way. She isn't happy to hear that Crane has been involving her in his messed up fantasies. She won't rest until the culprit is found.
To you she is bitchy and annoying? Sorry but you're wrong here.
Yeah I do agree with you that comic book Bigby seems way more in control of the situation. I particularly remember the first case he worked on and how he figured everything out with out revealing a single thing to everyone until the very end.
But then again, you can play Bigby on TWAU in that way too if you choose to be silent for most of the time. Also, Telltale pretty much needed him to be more vocal to allow players to actually make choices on how they wanted their version of Bigby to play out. They also needed to create conflict, which would mean that characters have to be more antagonistic against Bigby. If all the characters were so intimidated of Bigby that they did little to challenge him TWAU wouldn't be a fun game.
Well, okay, he's also loyal, dependable and rational, and even amiable around his friends. People have just long since recognized that there… more's little point and a hell of a risk in hiding something from him if he thinks it's his business.
Bigby as we see him in TWAU is way more outwardly emotional, and not nearly as secure in himself, and it seems that the other fables pick up on that and it's just making his life harder. It'd sort of go against the message of the story for him to have to make an example of the killer to finally reach that point, but it'd make some realistic sense too.
Well, I don't know about that. Snow can get emotional in the comics quite a bit as well. I actually didn't see much of a difference between the two, but then again it might just be my playthrough of the game.
Not quite, the Snow we see in Episode 3 is rash and impulsive when making decisions, likely because the issue with Crane is so personal and … morebecause she is only recently put in charge. By the time of the comics she's calm and self-assured, doesn't mind utterly dominating "malcontents" and takes the time to think things through unless it's really, really, really personal, and even then she calms down when someone reminds her to. In the game, she's insecure and vulnerable through the entire story, especially around dead bodies, despite having killed at least seven times herself. She seems so sheltered and naive that it's nearly painful.
And yes, I certainly prefer the comics, though the game has a lot going for it too.
Not quite, the Snow we see in Episode 3 is rash and impulsive when making decisions, likely because the issue with Crane is so personal and … morebecause she is only recently put in charge. By the time of the comics she's calm and self-assured, doesn't mind utterly dominating "malcontents" and takes the time to think things through unless it's really, really, really personal, and even then she calms down when someone reminds her to. In the game, she's insecure and vulnerable through the entire story, especially around dead bodies, despite having killed at least seven times herself. She seems so sheltered and naive that it's nearly painful.
And yes, I certainly prefer the comics, though the game has a lot going for it too.
It's not illegal, frown upon, but not illegal. It was emphasized first when they were inspecting Holly's sister and touched on lightly again by Georgie and Bigby when they first met.
Of course she can get emotional, she just doesn't nearly as often or easily. She doesn't make awkward small-talk with Bigby and she doesn't confide her insecurities and frustrations to him at the drop of a hat, and most importantly, she's assertive and cynical and doesn't tip-toe around issues just because they make her uncomfortable, without also making her obnoxious.Telltales' take on both Bigby and Snow is more game-friendly, absolutely, and arguably the best way to target an even halfway decent audience considering that the comic isn't exactly mainstream, but it's not very faithful to their original characters.
Well, I don't know about that. Snow can get emotional in the comics quite a bit as well. I actually didn't see much of a difference between the two, but then again it might just be my playthrough of the game.
Yes, I have in fact read past issue 132, and besides that her background is partially explained in the 1001 Nights Of Snowfall graphic novel, along with Charming's. Do you have a point? Or a reason to doubt that I've read that far?
Bigby as we see him in TWAU is way more outwardly emotional, and not nearly as secure in himself, and it seems that the other fables pick up on that and it's just making his life harder.
I think that he does come across as more conflicted in the game, possibly to make it more interesting for the player. The choices take on more of a meaning for players if there is an internal struggle. In the books he is who he is and he doesn't give a shit if that means that he intimidates people sometimes. However, I think it's possible to play him making dialogue choices similar to the ones that "comic book" Bigby would make. I have an entire playthrough centered around this idea, it's worked for me so far. I do think that people try his patience and test his authority more than they would in the books. But, again, that makes it interesting because there is some conflict. i.e. "This person is mouthing off to you, what are you going to do about it?"
Well, okay, he's also loyal, dependable and rational, and even amiable around his friends. People have just long since recognized that there… more's little point and a hell of a risk in hiding something from him if he thinks it's his business.
Bigby as we see him in TWAU is way more outwardly emotional, and not nearly as secure in himself, and it seems that the other fables pick up on that and it's just making his life harder. It'd sort of go against the message of the story for him to have to make an example of the killer to finally reach that point, but it'd make some realistic sense too.
Yes, I have in fact read past issue 132, and besides that her background is partially explained in the 1001 Nights Of Snowfall graphic novel, along with Charming's. Do you have a point? Or a reason to doubt that I've read that far?
Snow stands up for what she believes in and fights for her beliefs. She understands the situation at hand and since she is in charge she is … moregoing to handle it her own way. She isn't happy to hear that Crane has been involving her in his messed up fantasies. She won't rest until the culprit is found.
To you she is bitchy and annoying? Sorry but you're wrong here.
Bigby as we see him in TWAU is way more outwardly emotional, and not nearly as secure in himself, and it seems that the other fables pick up… more on that and it's just making his life harder.
I think that he does come across as more conflicted in the game, possibly to make it more interesting for the player. The choices take on more of a meaning for players if there is an internal struggle. In the books he is who he is and he doesn't give a shit if that means that he intimidates people sometimes. However, I think it's possible to play him making dialogue choices similar to the ones that "comic book" Bigby would make. I have an entire playthrough centered around this idea, it's worked for me so far. I do think that people try his patience and test his authority more than they would in the books. But, again, that makes it interesting because there is some conflict. i.e. "This person is mouthing off to you, what are you going to do about it?"
Yeah, I think that one of their goals is to show some character development. Which is good in a story like this. It's good because the player can see how their version of Bigby is evolving through the episodes. But in the books there are flashbacks to Bigby in earlier times. World War II, the Old West, the Homelands, etc. and he is pretty consistent. He is a complex character, so he's more than just gruff. He does have a kind side. But he doesn't worry as much about what others think of him.
I do love the way that his character is developing in the game though. I wouldn't change anything about the choices that they offer. I like the fact that he can either be played as unapologetic or searching for redemption.
What do you mean she doesn't confide her insecurities with Bigby so much? They both interact quite a bit in the comics and Snow does tell him her reservations when they work on cases together. I don't think she's so cynical either. She was also quite assertive in TWAU, especially in this newest episode. Obnoxious? I didn't feel she was being obnoxious at all. I think she actually reacted quite naturally to having discovered that Crane, a guy she's been working for a long time, has had perverted fantasies about her. Said fantasy also lead to the death of someone.
The Snow in the game also precedes the Snow in the comics, so if you're basing your comparison on late-comic Snow you will probably find a lot more differences. I'm examining her based on how she is in the early comic book chapters and I really don't see that much of a difference.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here man. I really don't feel like TWAU's version of Snow is so dramatically different from the comic book version. I think they've done a fairly good job at trying to give more life to these characters.
Of course she can get emotional, she just doesn't nearly as often or easily. She doesn't make awkward small-talk with Bigby and she doesn't … moreconfide her insecurities and frustrations to him at the drop of a hat, and most importantly, she's assertive and cynical and doesn't tip-toe around issues just because they make her uncomfortable, without also making her obnoxious.Telltales' take on both Bigby and Snow is more game-friendly, absolutely, and arguably the best way to target an even halfway decent audience considering that the comic isn't exactly mainstream, but it's not very faithful to their original characters.
Yeah, I think that one of their goals is to show some character development. Which is good in a story like this. It's good because the playe… morer can see how their version of Bigby is evolving through the episodes. But in the books there are flashbacks to Bigby in earlier times. World War II, the Old West, the Homelands, etc. and he is pretty consistent. He is a complex character, so he's more than just gruff. He does have a kind side. But he doesn't worry as much about what others think of him.
I do love the way that his character is developing in the game though. I wouldn't change anything about the choices that they offer. I like the fact that he can either be played as unapologetic or searching for redemption.
I said "at the drop of a hat", not "ever", and I also didn't say that she was obnoxious in the newest episode, thank you very much.
But yes, I agree that her behavior in episode 3 is reassuring in that they're taking her character more seriously than I first thought. I find it a little hard to credit that both she and Bigby are going through all their development NOW, when they've both been in the Fabletown government since the early 1600's, but I'll take what I can get.
And yes, every decision makes perfect sense from a game developer standpoint, that much is hard to argue with.
What do you mean she doesn't confide her insecurities with Bigby so much? They both interact quite a bit in the comics and Snow does tell hi… morem her reservations when they work on cases together. I don't think she's so cynical either. She was also quite assertive in TWAU, especially in this newest episode. Obnoxious? I didn't feel she was being obnoxious at all. I think she actually reacted quite naturally to having discovered that Crane, a guy she's been working for a long time, has had perverted fantasies about her. Said fantasy also lead to the death of someone.
The Snow in the game also precedes the Snow in the comics, so if you're basing your comparison on late-comic Snow you will probably find a lot more differences. I'm examining her based on how she is in the early comic book chapters and I really don't see that much of a difference.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here man. I really don't feel like TWAU's version of Snow … [view original content]
Yes, I have in fact read past issue 132, and besides that her background is partially explained in the 1001 Nights Of Snowfall graphic novel, along with Charming's. Do you have a point? Or a reason to doubt that I've read that far?
Of course she isn't all bad. I've been saying all along that she's usually very kind and compassionate, especially with TJ and Holly. I really love that side of her. It makes me hope that she can change Bigby from the Big Bad Wolf into a kinder, more thoughtful character than he was in all those fairy tales. But it almost seems that Bigby (as played by me) is more moral character in some instances. I didn't burn Greenleafs' tree, and I also didn't kill Dum, and I always took the more diplomatic route while interrogating people. Of course, sometimes it's virtually unavoidable to not get pissed and fuck someone up (while interrogating Tweedle Dee in the 2nd episode I punched him around a bit, but only because I thought Snow was dead, and he seemed to have something to do with it). I know Snow's going through a lot with Crane and his infatuation with her, and I completely understand how affecting that is, but it's no excuse to ruin some woman's life. Snow's handled everything else pretty well so far, so kudos to her for that, but she faltered with Greenleaf and let her emotions cloud her judgement. That's disappointing to me, because I've really grown to love her character, and I want her to be awesome.
Also, on another note, isn't it amazing how nuanced and three-dimensional Snows' character is? And every other Telltale character for that matter. That a video game can make people this interested and pensive (so much so that they're on an online forum pondering the story and characters endlessly) is truly masterful. Telltale lives up the it's name, and beyond. I've truly never seen such emotional depth in a video game. You know Telltale has succeeded when the people who play their games can't stop thinking about it, and wondering "what would have happened if I had made this other choice?" and ruminating on the characters many motives and attributes. In The Walking Dead game, in episode 3, I literally cried. Lee and Carlys' blooming relationship cut short by a paranoid woman with emotional struggles was not only the most devastating event I've ever seen in a video game, but also caused some of the most realistic character development in Lee that I've ever seen in any fiction, video game or not. And then, of course, Ducks' death was almost to much to bear. I love Telltale, but sometimes I hate them too, if you know what I mean. They make you care deeply about their characters, and then tear them away from you just as your emotional bond is solidified. I know Carly and Duck were just bits of code interpreted by a computer, but that doesn't change the emotive impact they exert on you, the player. God, I love Telltale Games.
I've never really seen Snow as bitchy or arrogant I'll admit she does become aggressive at times but she has her reasons ( her past).
T… morehe arguments I've heard about her being arrogant always tend to ignore the positives she's shown during the game for example how gently she dealt with toad junior she even shows genuine concern especially if you don't go to toads first and she mentions being worried about the bruises on the kids arm. Another example the cab ride over to the bar where she's chatting to Bigby opening her self up to him about being frustrated with the way things are run and showing affection to him by asking him to be careful.
Yes those are in episode 1 but there are examples in the next episode as well like Holly finding out her sister was dead and Snow letting Holly vent at her saying it should of been snow that died plus she did every thing she could to help make it easier for Holly by personally taking her down to… [view original content]
I've reread them, and I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I say that she never changes in the comics? I don't recall that. Can you be a little more specific? My only point is that Snow in the game is uncertain and timid compared to her comic book counterpart. And it's not enough to say that she's just in development, because that makes no sense in the context of her backstory as issue 133 perfectly illustrates.
It is more like the comics now and its awesome. Snow is a little Boss lady and it's cool. She's the future debuty mayor, you have to be a boss and harsh.
Although she is the de facto replacement for Crane, at the time of Episode 3, she is not technically Bigby's boss. In fact, he probably technically outranks her.
The best issue to compare Snow in the game to Snow in the comics is issue 22 because it happens soon after the game. And I have to say that Snow's personality in that issue matches her personality in the game.
I've reread them, and I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I say that she never changes in the comics? I don't recall th… moreat. Can you be a little more specific? My only point is that Snow in the game is uncertain and timid compared to her comic book counterpart. And it's not enough to say that she's just in development, because that makes no sense in the context of her backstory as issue 133 perfectly illustrates.
My mistake on the obnoxiousness. I think I misunderstood what you were saying in that sentence.
I get your point as well since giving so much leeway as to how each character acts depending on how you make Bigby act can sometimes force different characters to behave in a way that's different from what we'd expect given our knowledge from the comics. But yeah, they're doing the best they can seems like.
I said "at the drop of a hat", not "ever", and I also didn't say that she was obnoxious in the newest episode, thank you very much.
But y… morees, I agree that her behavior in episode 3 is reassuring in that they're taking her character more seriously than I first thought. I find it a little hard to credit that both she and Bigby are going through all their development NOW, when they've both been in the Fabletown government since the early 1600's, but I'll take what I can get.
And yes, every decision makes perfect sense from a game developer standpoint, that much is hard to argue with.
it's not illegal,but also not encouraged,that's why the best option would be hiring greenleaf officially,that way the witches can also super… morevise her preventing anyone from misusing it and supplying fabletown with more affordable glamours,as fabletown is in shortage of it,making the quality goes down but the rates keep climbing up,it makes the most sense to hire her
It's not illegal, frown upon, but not illegal. It was emphasized first when they were inspecting Holly's sister and touched on lightly again by Georgie and Bigby when they first met.
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Personally loved Snow felt kept Bigby from going over the line she is perfect partner to calm bigby down. Loved her strict character just wants to follow the rules completely understand her stance and most time she is correct but never listened. Snow learned off Crane that system is corrupt at the core so why follow the rules to keep rich getting richer never burnt down the tree like snow wanted legally correct decision but just plain wrong. Overall big fan of Snow more realistic female who actually has a voice and wants to make a difference
its great to hear all your thoughts from different views
Snow stands up for what she believes in and fights for her beliefs. She understands the situation at hand and since she is in charge she is going to handle it her own way. She isn't happy to hear that Crane has been involving her in his messed up fantasies. She won't rest until the culprit is found.
To you she is bitchy and annoying? Sorry but you're wrong here.
Yeah I do agree with you that comic book Bigby seems way more in control of the situation. I particularly remember the first case he worked on and how he figured everything out with out revealing a single thing to everyone until the very end.
But then again, you can play Bigby on TWAU in that way too if you choose to be silent for most of the time. Also, Telltale pretty much needed him to be more vocal to allow players to actually make choices on how they wanted their version of Bigby to play out. They also needed to create conflict, which would mean that characters have to be more antagonistic against Bigby. If all the characters were so intimidated of Bigby that they did little to challenge him TWAU wouldn't be a fun game.
Well, I don't know about that. Snow can get emotional in the comics quite a bit as well. I actually didn't see much of a difference between the two, but then again it might just be my playthrough of the game.
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She's just been through a lot, and it must be worst for her now that creepy Crane has those pervy fantasies of her ... shudder.
How far are you in the comics? I highly doubt you read past issue 132. Snow only tells and shows Therese everything about herself in issue 133.
They are equally interesting, though the comics tend to be a bit more interesting.
It's not illegal, frown upon, but not illegal. It was emphasized first when they were inspecting Holly's sister and touched on lightly again by Georgie and Bigby when they first met.
Of course she can get emotional, she just doesn't nearly as often or easily. She doesn't make awkward small-talk with Bigby and she doesn't confide her insecurities and frustrations to him at the drop of a hat, and most importantly, she's assertive and cynical and doesn't tip-toe around issues just because they make her uncomfortable, without also making her obnoxious.Telltales' take on both Bigby and Snow is more game-friendly, absolutely, and arguably the best way to target an even halfway decent audience considering that the comic isn't exactly mainstream, but it's not very faithful to their original characters.
Yes, I have in fact read past issue 132, and besides that her background is partially explained in the 1001 Nights Of Snowfall graphic novel, along with Charming's. Do you have a point? Or a reason to doubt that I've read that far?
I think that he does come across as more conflicted in the game, possibly to make it more interesting for the player. The choices take on more of a meaning for players if there is an internal struggle. In the books he is who he is and he doesn't give a shit if that means that he intimidates people sometimes. However, I think it's possible to play him making dialogue choices similar to the ones that "comic book" Bigby would make. I have an entire playthrough centered around this idea, it's worked for me so far. I do think that people try his patience and test his authority more than they would in the books. But, again, that makes it interesting because there is some conflict. i.e. "This person is mouthing off to you, what are you going to do about it?"
ok
then i'll definitely buy them
i'll start reading them today :-P
after reading all the comments i understood that i have wrong and misleading thoughts on snow .. now i respect her a lot ... even love her more :-P
she did a big mistake stopping bigby while interogating crane ... i would have ripped him appart for his deeds
Check this thread out.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/65690/stupid-girls-and-their-preposterous-schemes-my-theory
its a prequel to comics so he will be a bit immature in the game
Good for you, buddy. Don't get overwhelmed, though. There's a lot to read by now.
cool dude
i'll take that as a suggestion
Yeah, I think that one of their goals is to show some character development. Which is good in a story like this. It's good because the player can see how their version of Bigby is evolving through the episodes. But in the books there are flashbacks to Bigby in earlier times. World War II, the Old West, the Homelands, etc. and he is pretty consistent. He is a complex character, so he's more than just gruff. He does have a kind side. But he doesn't worry as much about what others think of him.
I do love the way that his character is developing in the game though. I wouldn't change anything about the choices that they offer. I like the fact that he can either be played as unapologetic or searching for redemption.
What do you mean she doesn't confide her insecurities with Bigby so much? They both interact quite a bit in the comics and Snow does tell him her reservations when they work on cases together. I don't think she's so cynical either. She was also quite assertive in TWAU, especially in this newest episode. Obnoxious? I didn't feel she was being obnoxious at all. I think she actually reacted quite naturally to having discovered that Crane, a guy she's been working for a long time, has had perverted fantasies about her. Said fantasy also lead to the death of someone.
The Snow in the game also precedes the Snow in the comics, so if you're basing your comparison on late-comic Snow you will probably find a lot more differences. I'm examining her based on how she is in the early comic book chapters and I really don't see that much of a difference.
We're going to have to agree to disagree here man. I really don't feel like TWAU's version of Snow is so dramatically different from the comic book version. I think they've done a fairly good job at trying to give more life to these characters.
yeah .. every charchter has good depth in them and i love to see them evolve through all these changes
informative thread
I said "at the drop of a hat", not "ever", and I also didn't say that she was obnoxious in the newest episode, thank you very much.
But yes, I agree that her behavior in episode 3 is reassuring in that they're taking her character more seriously than I first thought. I find it a little hard to credit that both she and Bigby are going through all their development NOW, when they've both been in the Fabletown government since the early 1600's, but I'll take what I can get.
And yes, every decision makes perfect sense from a game developer standpoint, that much is hard to argue with.
Several reasons actually. Reread your comments, as well as issue 133. Snow does change, but not a lot especially in the first story arches.
Of course she isn't all bad. I've been saying all along that she's usually very kind and compassionate, especially with TJ and Holly. I really love that side of her. It makes me hope that she can change Bigby from the Big Bad Wolf into a kinder, more thoughtful character than he was in all those fairy tales. But it almost seems that Bigby (as played by me) is more moral character in some instances. I didn't burn Greenleafs' tree, and I also didn't kill Dum, and I always took the more diplomatic route while interrogating people. Of course, sometimes it's virtually unavoidable to not get pissed and fuck someone up (while interrogating Tweedle Dee in the 2nd episode I punched him around a bit, but only because I thought Snow was dead, and he seemed to have something to do with it). I know Snow's going through a lot with Crane and his infatuation with her, and I completely understand how affecting that is, but it's no excuse to ruin some woman's life. Snow's handled everything else pretty well so far, so kudos to her for that, but she faltered with Greenleaf and let her emotions cloud her judgement. That's disappointing to me, because I've really grown to love her character, and I want her to be awesome.
Also, on another note, isn't it amazing how nuanced and three-dimensional Snows' character is? And every other Telltale character for that matter. That a video game can make people this interested and pensive (so much so that they're on an online forum pondering the story and characters endlessly) is truly masterful. Telltale lives up the it's name, and beyond. I've truly never seen such emotional depth in a video game. You know Telltale has succeeded when the people who play their games can't stop thinking about it, and wondering "what would have happened if I had made this other choice?" and ruminating on the characters many motives and attributes. In The Walking Dead game, in episode 3, I literally cried. Lee and Carlys' blooming relationship cut short by a paranoid woman with emotional struggles was not only the most devastating event I've ever seen in a video game, but also caused some of the most realistic character development in Lee that I've ever seen in any fiction, video game or not. And then, of course, Ducks' death was almost to much to bear. I love Telltale, but sometimes I hate them too, if you know what I mean. They make you care deeply about their characters, and then tear them away from you just as your emotional bond is solidified. I know Carly and Duck were just bits of code interpreted by a computer, but that doesn't change the emotive impact they exert on you, the player. God, I love Telltale Games.
I've reread them, and I'm afraid I have no idea what you're talking about. Did I say that she never changes in the comics? I don't recall that. Can you be a little more specific? My only point is that Snow in the game is uncertain and timid compared to her comic book counterpart. And it's not enough to say that she's just in development, because that makes no sense in the context of her backstory as issue 133 perfectly illustrates.
It is more like the comics now and its awesome. Snow is a little Boss lady and it's cool. She's the future debuty mayor, you have to be a boss and harsh.
Although she is the de facto replacement for Crane, at the time of Episode 3, she is not technically Bigby's boss. In fact, he probably technically outranks her.
The best issue to compare Snow in the game to Snow in the comics is issue 22 because it happens soon after the game. And I have to say that Snow's personality in that issue matches her personality in the game.
My mistake on the obnoxiousness. I think I misunderstood what you were saying in that sentence.
I get your point as well since giving so much leeway as to how each character acts depending on how you make Bigby act can sometimes force different characters to behave in a way that's different from what we'd expect given our knowledge from the comics. But yeah, they're doing the best they can seems like.
Maybe, though Bigby has been the Sheriff of Fabletown for at least a hundred years at the time of TWAU.
Might want to try the date again. Bigby became sheriff in the late 17th century.
ok but will not go back to replay bcoz i want to deal with consequences i choose
but before snow tells us to burn the tree she says that it is illegal ...