BM's arm [Episode 3 Spoilers]
What's on Bloody Mary's arm? After she shoots Bigby, you can clearly see something on her forearm. It looks like a bunch of symbols or something.
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What's on Bloody Mary's arm? After she shoots Bigby, you can clearly see something on her forearm. It looks like a bunch of symbols or something.
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I just replayed the episode, and I noticed that just before Mary breaks Bigby's arm, the tattoos start glowing red. That suggests that she has some kind of well of power that she can draw from to increase her strength or resilience.
damn it i've seen that emblem somewhere before, but i just can't put my finger on it. all i can tell is that it signifies royalty with what looks like a crown at the top, or anything british.
It's a pentagram with some weird lines and figures in it.
I've read that Bloody Mary could've originated from Queen Mary, or Elizabeth Bathory , also known as the Queen of Blood
great spot, well this just got a whole lot darker
It's a sigil. Very dark stuff.
B.M. and Telltale just got a whole lot cooler, reminds me of something that would probably be in the universe of Blade! Y'know, that awesome vampire hunter?
Beating her in a 1v1 won't be as easy as everyone says then...
This one looks similar to this
as you can see it is something called astaroth sigil.
Apart from the dots and the horizontal line, that looks exact. Good job!
Apparently, Astaroth is the name of one of the "Crown Princes of Hell." Well that's...troubling.... Does Satan count as a Fable? If so, this whole thing might be above our pay grade here.
Maybe this 'Prince of hell' doesn't exist in the 'normal' world (he could be the adversary in the homelands) . Bloody Mary could be this prince's embodiment in the real world, these signs on her arm are almost like puppet strings, glowing red when being controlled.*
*Just a crazy thought, she probably wouldn't be working for the crooked man if that was true
Unless she has a UV tattoo :-) Those neon lights might be whats making it glow
That nail polish is just gorgeous
On the official TWAU wiki page it mentions that the adversary is in fact Pinocchio's creator. That's why his forces were made of wood.
Where's this? Is this in Episode 4's preview?!
From the ending of episode 3.
Yup it looks very similar to the sigil of Astaroth, I'm into that kind of stuff so here's what it says in Ars Goetia - The Twenty-ninth Spirit is Astaroth. He is a Mighty, Strong Duke, and appeareth in the Form of an hurtful Angel riding on an Infernal Beast like a Dragon, and carrying in his right hand a Viper. Thou must in no wise let him approach too near unto thee, lest he do thee damage by his Noisome Breath. Wherefore the Magician must hold the Magical Ring near his face, and that will defend him. He giveth true answers of things Past, Present, and to Come, and can discover all Secrets. He will declare wittingly how the Spirits fell, if desired, and the reason of his own fall. He can make men wonderfully knowing in all Liberal Sciences. He ruleth 40 Legions of Spirits. His Seal is this, which wear thou as a Lamen before thee, or else he will not appear nor yet obey thee, etc.
Of course, it is more likely that the sigil was simply based on Astaroths due to its esthetics. It looks just like an average person would expect a magical sigil to look, with pentagram and lines.
Interesting. Do you know which sigil is on Mary's right arm? It's definitely slightly different.
Yes, it only shows if you let Dum live.
It also looks different to me, but I'll have to get a better look at it. It doesn't look like any of the demons' from Ars Goetia, as far as I can see. It is not pentagram, but triangle, with either circle or half circle in the bottom. It also seems to have few smaller triangles at the end of the lines. It looks vaguely familiar to me, but I don't really hold all of them on top of my head. I'll look up for a better picture and see if can figure out which one it is.
So I was looking through the character bios in the menus, and the headless horsemans caught my attention. ''it is rumoured that this phantom is only the most recent incarnation of a primordial demon''. I immediately thought of Bloody Mary's arm mark symbol things. She definitely acts like a demon... Could she be this demoncs newest form?
I didn't notice that Mary's tattoos glowed when she approached Bigby after shooting him, but I can see that having those marks might serve as a pathway for assisting powers to feed her violent urges, assuming that's how it works.
Aside from that, I used to be into this stuff when I was a teenager, and fortunately the library in my city has a great collection of things like this. However, when you look into the history of the authors and try to trace where these things come from, you find out pretty quickly that these sigils and runes were essentially pulled out of the asses of the ones who put together their grimoires and sacred texts in response to religious intolerance.
For example, one of the first instances of witchcraft documented in the Malleus Malificarum was a pile of wood falling over for no apparent reason. Today we understand with physics the concept of a static friction threshold, so there's no need to invent nonsense to explain it. But for people who thought there was something to it and believed they could be granted power from some infernal source, the assumption of a supernatural evil was a great basis to persue those ends.
Well, there are books and there are "books" if you catch my meaning. For example, my interest is mainly in mysticism, western as well as eastern (buddhism plays a large part of my religious philosophy), based on the psychological teachings of K. G. Jung, or mystic aspect of gnosticism to be more precise. And I can tell you that many of these sigils and runes make geometrical and mathematical sense. If you're familiar with sacred geometry, you'll know what I'm talking about.
As for Malleus Maleficarum, it is indeed full of superstitious bullshit that doesn't make any sense and that even a non-educated person of today would see through, but middle ages aren't known for their scientific (regarding what is considered to be "science" today) way of thinking.
Not necessarily dark. Though, in this instance, Astaroth (whose sigil this is) is supposed to be a demon. Though even there, there are different interpretations. Sometimes he's referred to as angel, or simply spirit whose neither malevolent nor benevolent, sometimes even a kind of cosmic force.
Possibly. If the horseman predates Bloody Mary. Could also be another reason Crane is so fearful of her.
OH SHIT O_O
Bloody Mary's bio kinda goes hand in hand. Unknown past and magical resistance etc
As far as i know Bloddy Mary is the real one there and not made out of wood and the adversary is gepeto.
Thanks for adding that. I guess that I always think of the dark interpretation. That's all that I had ever heard so that's immediately what I associate that sigil with. It's interesting to know that there are other ways to look at it, but since it's on Bloody Mary's arm, it looks like they're playing off of the darkness.
They surely were playing on that card. And I'm not saying that you were wrong, it indeed can be dark stuff, I simply wanted to add that there's always another point of view with things like these.
Most of these sigils and runes predate the context they are mostly known from today, since new religions and sects incorporate them and change their meaning. Same goes for these entities, for example Astharoths name is based of Astarte (which is, again, same goddess as Ishtar), Aramean godess from the bronze age, even though Astaroth the "demon" is mentioned in Ars Goetia, which is related to much later judaism and christianity. Religions have always borrowed one from another and will always do so in some measure.
Pentagram, for example, is an old symbol, its earliest known depiction goes as far as 3500 BC Mesopotamia. Though its meaning haven't changed much, it was incorporated in almost every religion, and is now mostly known from christianity and western paganism such as wicca (and its famous inverted version from satanism). It usually represents four elements and the spirit and its geometry contains a golden ratio (ancient Greeks are responsible for recognizing its geometrical value, namely - Pythagoreans), which is the essence of sacred geometry that can be seen in many of these sigils, as well as architectures such as temples and churches of various religions. Even pyramids.
By the way, I apologize if I bored you to death with this, haven't planned for it to be this long, it just got out of control.
Holy shit Bloody marry my boo thang she's on point omg...
but still i'd like to chop off her and the crooked man's head off like wtf they're so annoying.
It's not boring at all! It's all really cool. Thanks for sharing what you know.
I'm glad that you find it that way. You're welcome, of course.
Maybe she's just activating some kind of defensive effect, in case Bigby bounces back from the silver bullet quicker than expected? Her description mentions significant resistance to magic, and it's certainly what I'd do before stepping within arm's reach of a werewolf no matter what state he was in. Increased strength is a good bet too, though. You generally don't break someone's arm open just by stepping on it, even as hard as you can.
oh, least popular choice at this side of the universe
It looks much like sigil of Enki (Sumerian god, which is in this context the same entity as Lucifer) with some variations and lines, same as ones which almost every sigil from Ars Goetia has, added to it:
They also slightly changed Astaroths sigil, if you compare you'll see it is a bit simplified than the original, it seems that they added the same lines to the one on her right arm to make two sigils more similar to one another and overall esthetically more pleasing.
I want to know what the symbol exactly looks like ever since telltale configured it