Season 2 villain?

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  • It's not just the freckles, they both have hazel eyes, black hair and similar facial features...

    Snags posted: »

    Two characters have freckles? Wow. Two people who have freckles must be either cousins or siblings. No wait that's false.

  • But if Mary is Rachel, then she would also be Auntie Greenleaf, since Rachel morphed into her only after Bigby solved and opened the glamour codex. Which would also mean that Mary was there when I threw Crooked Man down the well after she(Auntie Greenleaf) heavily protested about him being killed, which would completely go against mary's nature i.e. bragging that she "enjoying feeding children their lungs" when she takes crane from Bigby and S.W.. Of course it's completely possible Mary could still be alive, especially given Telltale's penchant for surprise twists in their games, but I'm not completely convinced. That's not to say you guys don't have some good points, but I think she's dead and gonna stay dead.

    TheZorkij posted: »

    Hardly. If you look close enough, you'll see there are indeed a lot of details pointing out that she can be alive. E.g., as I wrote here

  • edited December 2014

    Yes, your assumption would've been absolutely correct, if it wasn't for one curious detail. Skip to 1:06:50

    http://youtube.com/watch?v=bsvsWnQU7po

    As I see it, the picture of them together implies that Rachel was a real person once, which is why I don't really buy Greenleaf's explanation of why she's chosen Rachel's image for disguise in particular. Thus, presuming that BM and Rachel are the same Fable, Mary is likely to be related to Aunty Greenleaf very closely, perhaps she's her lost daughter or something like that. Besides, I can see they share some slightly similar features, too. And this would also explain the magic immunity thing, mentioned in Mary's description from Book of Fables, by the way.

    Rocklobsta posted: »

    But if Mary is Rachel, then she would also be Auntie Greenleaf, since Rachel morphed into her only after Bigby solved and opened the glamour

  • bigby could kill mary easily so i want someone new

  • edited December 2014

    So what you're saying is that nearly every person from the same ethnicity are all first degree relatives. Wow.

    Alsp conveniently ignoring how there's no proof of Bloody Mary actually having a normal human form instead of just glamoured to look like one.

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    It's not just the freckles, they both have hazel eyes, black hair and similar facial features...

  • He said that they look similar, not that EVERYONE from the same ethnicity looks the same. It's idiotic to sugget that because Hazzatheman thinks they look similar he's assuming all people of that ethnicity are related. You took that completely the wrong way.

    But I must say that I think the theory of them being the same is a bit far fetched.

    Snags posted: »

    So what you're saying is that nearly every person from the same ethnicity are all first degree relatives. Wow. Alsp conveniently ignoring

  • I want Bloody Mary to still be alive and perhaps be the main villain in the second season, but I must admit that it would be good to have a villain that can compete with Bigby as far as physicality is concerned.

    zeke10 posted: »

    bigby could kill mary easily so i want someone new

  • No problem, I just get irritated when people jump to conclusions.

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    Uh, thanks for having my back dude...

  • Uh, thanks for having my back dude...

    He said that they look similar, not that EVERYONE from the same ethnicity looks the same. It's idiotic to sugget that because Hazzatheman th

  • That would be quite difficult; in the comics it's easier to bring in someone/something that can compare to Bigby's power because of the Adversary's forces, but the only real force that can contend with Bigby in TWAU is Beast...

    Also, Bloody Mary coming back, hells yeah brah!

    I want Bloody Mary to still be alive and perhaps be the main villain in the second season, but I must admit that it would be good to have a villain that can compete with Bigby as far as physicality is concerned.

  • That was just a thought I had a few moments ago actually- will we get to see Beast transform in the second season? I'd like to see that happen, somehow.

    Another thought though- does Greek Mythology count as Fables at all? Because maybe you could get the Minotaur involved. Bigby V The MInotaur would be interesting, but I don't think it'd happen...

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    That would be quite difficult; in the comics it's easier to bring in someone/something that can compare to Bigby's power because of the Adve

  • Fables ecompasses charcters from literature/myth/legend and folklore throughout time; so I don't see why not... (Bigby's fence for funding his missions is the Merchant of Venice and the Count of Monte Christo is Fabletown's fencing instructor...)

    As for Beast transforming, maybe not... Only because they would have to get Bigby or a Witch to stop him rampaging and Bigby and Beast don't fight until later in the comics, when they do it's heavily implied that it's the first time they have fought as monsters.

    That was just a thought I had a few moments ago actually- will we get to see Beast transform in the second season? I'd like to see that happ

  • Same hair color, same eye color, similar face shapes are things peole of the same ethnicity commonly share. So yes if those two are the same person then you might as well say anyone from the same ethnicity is automatically at least first degree cousins.

    He said that they look similar, not that EVERYONE from the same ethnicity looks the same. It's idiotic to sugget that because Hazzatheman th

  • You do realise that your using the term completely wrong, don't you?

    Ethnicity does not refer to biological features but refers to a sharing of culture. An ethnic group is one that shares the same norms, customs and values, and varies throughout the world. You are talking about RACE which is biologically inherited features. Basic sociological definitions.

    Before you use a term please try to make sure what it actually means.

    Assuming your talking about race and not ethnicity that encompasses a larger range of factors than your narrow examples, you do realise that what you are saying is that all people from the same race look the same, which would be seen by many as a very racist remark. I'm not hypersensitive myself so I'm not calling you a racist at all, but I would advise you to take caution in the comments you make.

    Snags posted: »

    Same hair color, same eye color, similar face shapes are things peole of the same ethnicity commonly share. So yes if those two are the same

  • edited December 2014

    Genetics and statistics isn't racism

    People from the same race mostly share similar traits.

    But hey if you want to show that Asians aren't majorly composed of people with black hair color feel free to do so.

    Oh and look up the term ethno-racial group.

    You do realise that your using the term completely wrong, don't you? Ethnicity does not refer to biological features but refers to a shar

  • We're not talking about Asian people here, we're talking about white people.

    Snags posted: »

    Genetics and statistics isn't racism People from the same race mostly share similar traits. But hey if you want to show that Asians ar

  • You mean people from a genetically diverse country like America?

    Also lol at calling Fables white people. Fables aren't even from Earth.

    We're not talking about Asian people here, we're talking about white people.

  • Are you really gonna argue about this? I'm pointing out similar features as I would when comparing friends to each other, just drop the whole thing and move on.

    Snags posted: »

    You mean people from a genetically diverse country like America? Also lol at calling Fables white people. Fables aren't even from Earth.

  • I'm pointing out that similar features is flimsy evidence.

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    Are you really gonna argue about this? I'm pointing out similar features as I would when comparing friends to each other, just drop the whole thing and move on.

  • That's fair enough but it didn't need to escalate...

    Snags posted: »

    I'm pointing out that similar features is flimsy evidence.

  • If you didn't want it to escalate then you shouldn't have replied

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    That's fair enough but it didn't need to escalate...

  • I was establishing my point more clearly...

    I'm pointing out that similar features is flimsy evidence

    If you had said that to begin with then it wouldn't have escalated.

    Snags posted: »

    If you didn't want it to escalate then you shouldn't have replied

  • edited December 2014

    Did you not see my original comment? It was about how the only evidence that Bloody Mary could be alive was the the chance that what Bigby killed was another clone.

    If you want to participate in a discussion, try to at least follow the context. I'm not going to repeat myself over and over that the discussion is about the lack of evidence for Bloody Mary being alive for every one who decides to jump in.

    HazzatheMan posted: »

    I was establishing my point more clearly... I'm pointing out that similar features is flimsy evidence If you had said that to begin with then it wouldn't have escalated.

  • edited December 2014

    It's funny. You're accusing HazzatheMan of not following the context, yet you are the one who had to drag in all the ethnicity stuff for no reason. If this was your attempt to make your point, then this argument is completely invalid and irrelevant. Ethnicity does not define how you look like all by itself, personal features vary from individual to individual and it happens due to that very genetics you were talking about. Otherwise all humans on Earth would've had the same face, it makes no sense. Mary and Rachel clearly resemble each other, and it's not because of their accessory to the same race, it simply can not cause them to share so many similar facial features. Family relatedness can.

    As for other evidences, the question about her motivation still stands. As I mentioned before, there has to be a reason why she fights Bigby using her natural powers, but not silver bullets, which would've made things way easier for her and reduced the chances of Bigby winning the fight to pretty much 0 percent.

    Snags posted: »

    Did you not see my original comment? It was about how the only evidence that Bloody Mary could be alive was the the chance that what Bigby k

  • edited December 2014

    It gave me a hard time thinking about the events, and thanks for pointing some stuff out that i didn't notice on first hand, but here's the main problem to your theory : Anybody can be glamoured as anybody. Acknowledging it's a theory, my question to you would be : Why restrict the glamouring scheme like that ?

    My personal approach to the game was quite "realistic" to be honest, i sure left some dudes alive so they could potentially help me, i've let ego have the high hand sometimes... but i took things on face-value and never try to farfetch or overinterpret things. Heck i'm even surprised nobody is complaining !

    Anyway, my whole point is : If it has to be that complicated and patterned that way... it'll weaken the story and make a prescripted, very predictable mess to what's already a great story, something i liked about the TWAU. The fact it has depth and even touches implicitly on economics, politics and even morals in an unmatched way. Sorry but... similarities in character design and gestures just don't make the full cut. There will be a need for a stronger argument to twist things over... for now it's an obvious run but for the sake of the scenario's integrity... Nerissa which nobody suspected from the start is the best fit.

  • edited December 2014

    As I mentioned before, there has to be a reason why she fights Bigby using her natural powers, but not silver bullets, which would've made things way easier for her and reduced the chances of Bigby winning the fight to pretty much 0 percent.

    You mean like how every Bond villain decides not to just shoot Bond when they have him in their grip? Or really how nearly every villain in every movie have the opportunity to win if they simply kill the hero outright in the simplest method possible?

    It's a work of fiction, and it's a game, the hero is going to win. Decades of fiction show that villains taking the roundabout route of killing the hero when there are simpler methods available for no logical reason other than kicks and giggles is something that regularly happens in works of fiction.

    And any seasoned writer knows this. Any person who's consumed a decent amount of fiction knows this.

    Mary and Rachel clearly resemble each other, and it's not because of their accessory to the same race, it simply can not cause them to share so many similar facial features. Family relatedness can.

    Hair, eyes, freckles, just like nearly every red haired person with the same eye color and freckles. So unless you're going to say every person with the same eye color, same hair color and some other genetic indicator are all related.

    Also again look up the term ethno-racial

    Also I wouldn't be surprised if majority of unrelated female character models had the same face structure.

    TheZorkij posted: »

    It's funny. You're accusing HazzatheMan of not following the context, yet you are the one who had to drag in all the ethnicity stuff for no

  • I believe that could be possible, and either 1) They hated Bigby and said they would do it. 2) Worked for her 3) Planned/knew that they couldn't kill Bigby. Or that was another clone, Or lastly, It was just her.

    Oh, so it was just a coincidence? Damn, I was getting excited. That's a shame, but I still think Bloody Mary will turn out to be Faith and Lilly glamoured.

  • edited December 2014

    Even though it isn't a lot of evidence. It is more than not having ANY relations or reasons. And I'm also not saying I agree or disagree with this theory.

    Snags posted: »

    As I mentioned before, there has to be a reason why she fights Bigby using her natural powers, but not silver bullets, which would've made t

  • If by more, you mean slightly less far fetched than saying Bloody Mary is Snow White's brother who had a sex change operation? Sure. Slighltly.

    BigbyWoIf posted: »

    Even though it isn't a lot of evidence. It is more than not having ANY relations or reasons. And I'm also not saying I agree or disagree with this theory.

  • Jesus Christ. Umm, yeah... But what if that really happened. Oh my Jesus.

    Snags posted: »

    If by more, you mean slightly less far fetched than saying Bloody Mary is Snow White's brother who had a sex change operation? Sure. Slighltly.

  • I think Season 2's villain is Minecraft.

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  • ^^ Words of wisdom.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    I think Season 2's villain is Minecraft.

  • OMFG! Illuminati confirmed!!??

    TheZorkij posted: »

    Honestly speaking, every theory presuming that Bloody Mary is still alive is a good theory for me. I really do hope she will be involved in

  • "Did you hit Minecraft when it was down?"

    100% of players hit Minecraft when it was down

    TheZorkij posted: »

    ^^ Words of wisdom.

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    Poogers555 posted: »

    I think Season 2's villain is Minecraft.

  • 'How did you deal with Minecraft?'

    99% of players ripped his head off

    Poogers555 posted: »

    And another

  • edited December 2014

    Hair, eyes, freckles, just like nearly every red haired person with the same eye color and freckles. So unless you're going to say every person with the same eye color, same hair color and some other genetic indicator are all related.

    I wouldn't assimilate a game to reality that much, if I'm honest. Fictional characters, unlike real people, are not born with some random gene pattern, which can accidently make them look alike, they are designed, never forget that. Their gender, appearance, personality, basically everything they are is carefully thought over beforehand and written by their creator. If two characters happen to resemble each other, especially as noticeably as in our case, there is most likely an intention lying here as well.

    I, however, don't claim that this theory is 100% legit, because all in all it's still just a theory, but you can't declare it to be uncompromisingly wrong either, get over it.

    Decades of fiction show that villains taking the roundabout route of killing the hero when there are simpler methods available for no logical reason other than kicks and giggles is something that regularly happens in works of fiction.

    And any seasoned writer knows this. Any person who's consumed a decent amount of fiction knows this.

    Spare me the details, I've been around for some time and I'm well aware of this writer move. That's fair enough, I admit it, but I need to clarify that I don't contend that BM is undoubtedly alive, actually. I probably haven't expressed my point to you precisely enough in the first place, which I apologize for, but, as a matter of fact, all I'm saying is that there are plenty of circumstances, hinting that Bloody Mary may not be dead after all. Therefore, if Telltale ever decides to bring her back, they have every opportunity to do so without it being forced or illogical. And I would totally want this to happen.

    Snags posted: »

    As I mentioned before, there has to be a reason why she fights Bigby using her natural powers, but not silver bullets, which would've made t

  • edited December 2014

    Great A++++

  • Oh you mean like how Lee and Clementine have the same hair color and eye color? Well they must be related

    TheZorkij posted: »

    Hair, eyes, freckles, just like nearly every red haired person with the same eye color and freckles. So unless you're going to say every per

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