I have a wacky theory for Fables 148-150 and the ending!
Ok; I put some thought into this and it makes some sense to me.
Assuming that in either 148 or 149 we get the following out of the way:
- Bigby gets restored (I have heard 3 theories about this. 1 is that the mere sight of Snow will restore him. 2 is a true love's kiss from Snow and 3 is obviously him getting the ring back...)
- Brandish's death (I would prefer it if Bigby ripped him apart and Snow stabs his heart afterwards)
- Rose learns the truth (Well she better!! If 148 and 149 are just filler stories then boo-hoo to Willingham)
Ok so... In 149; let's assume Rose tells Snow the truth about their Mother and how one sister must kill the other, however, Snow refuses to believe that the reason they have all this power is so that they can kill each other (In 145, Snow probably assumed it was so she could stop Bigby? That's the impression that I got from her comment to Mayor Cole...) Because Snow won't do her part and fight back, Rose KILLS Snow! So now the cycle is over and one sister is left standing... oh joy :P
BUT! Bigby is either present at the time or finds out what Rose did and kills her for revenge. Now the cycle is broken as BOTH sisters are dead...
So 150 can focus on 3 things that I have thought of because of the above:
1) Bigby goes on a quest to bring Snow back to life (maybe someone tells him it is possible); maybe he brings his cubs with him to help (Winter and Ghost would be really helpful...)
2) Snow and Rose are in the Afterlife (maybe they wake up in their Paradise's like Bigby in his Wood, but like Bigby they escape them) The two sisters just bicker and argue about everything that has happened. Eventually, Boy Blue shows up and he and Rose talk, but it becomes clear that despite Rose's overwhelming happiness that Blue is standing before her (maybe she professes her love for him as well?), he is angered by what she has done and rejects her. So now Rose has once again hit rock bottom...
3) Geppetto and his plan for The Farm/Haven gets dealt with by Flycatcher and the others...
4) The Fates have been revealed to be the major players in the lives of the Fables... Maybe Bigby plans on striking a deal with them or perhaps killing them somehow to restore his beloved wife? I feel that the Fates should be included somewhere rather than being in the dark all the time.
The reason for Rose dying and meeting Boy Blue is because I was re-reading Fables Volume 12 yesterday and Rose tells Sinbad that she wants to be everything he deserves when he returns to them... But Rose has become evil now so why would Blue possibly want her???
Snow dying would be a massive twist, adding in Rose's death afterwards will make things interesting. Seeing Snow and Rose argue in their Afterlife would be the perfect opportunity for them to both let off steam and reveal their true colours about one another etc.
Maybe throw in a shocker: That Frau Totenkinder/Bellflower knew all along that Bigby could be restored by seeing/kissing Snow; and her reason for trying to kill him would be so that Rose had a better chance of winning against Snow in their conflict (I wouldn't argue this; Frau knows a lot, hell all the Witches know SOMETHING that the others don't!)
It's all just a wild theory; but what do you guys think???
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Gonna add your thoughts to Chuck, Poogers? :P
Well honestly, I agree with everything you posted ;3
You're not gonna add to it or something!?
Plz don't tell me I actually got something right for once! XD
Nope, Cuz I agree with it all like I said :P
lol fair enough
But, I do think all 148 will be today, is just Snow and Rose's mother story.
I will post up the DC Comics preview Monday on... Monday (lol)
They show the first 4 pages of the issue's coming out in the week. 1 of them is always Fables and the other is usually related to Batman in some way...
I did that (albeit quite discreetly for some reason) for 147; I told another forum member that the issue would be Rose in her Homeland and Brandish's trial by combat...
Assuming u live in America, you will be about 5-6 hours behind me, so check this forum on Monday and you should find that I have uploaded the previews on a new thread
I thought it was 17th that it came out. Oh well :P
Nope 21st :P
Always on a Wednesday though...
Bump... I really would like to hear other comic readers thoughts on this crazy theory
But the thing is, Boy Blue has already (completely) passed over to the other side (at the end of issue 134 "Deeper into the woods").
And I think I remember him saying once he passes over (to the other side), there's no coming back from there (i.e. meaning once he goes over to the other side, there's no return from there, he has to remain on the other side - so no return to paradise heaven, and definitely no ressurection).
He was supposed to go a while ago, but waited (in paradise heaven) to have one last farewell with his good friend Bigby. He also stated that once he passes over to the other side, he'll try his luck at true love, and we already know Blue feels pretty much nothing for her anymore since his deathbed scene in Volume 12 Dark Ages (I believed he's completely moved on from Rose Red, and it's only Rose Red who only still may have feelings for him).
If Blue does indeed appear, it would be as an illusion (like Hope uses to manipulate Rose Red), but real Blue would no longer be available (even in Heaven), or Willingham would be contradicting what Blue said in #134..
Maybe Rose will see him again; I find it quite tragic that Rose realized she made a mistake after Blue died... If feel that she deserves to be with him weirdly enough.
It's like with Bigby and Snow; I can't imagine Blue being with anyone else, same goes for Rose (a permanent relationship though) They're 'love' was hinted at throughout Volumes 9-11, that's a lot of time that shouldn't go unchecked you know?
Who knows? Maybe Rose ends up in the same Afterlife as Boy Blue cuz it turns out that Fate has plans for both of them like it does for Bigby and Snow. In whichever Volume it is where Hope shows Rose the two outcomes of her Fate; one is of Rose's grave right next to Blue's in Haven with the comment that she 'is mostly at peace with herself and died being loved by all' I don't think they would've buried Rose next to Blue without a good reason considering...
Another reason I saw Blue coming back was because of the place-holder title for Volume 22 'The Boys in The Band' still being in effect atm...
It's all just a theory that I came up with... But I think that Rose hearing Blue's 'disgust' at what she has become would be enough to convince her that she is creating more problems than she is solving and in turn she decides to remain dead, unlike Snow who gets saved and ends up as the sister left standing in the end.
They both loved each other, but had completely different ideals/expectation about love.
Blue loved Rose out of pure love and naive hope of living quiet life with her (and him spending his time as clerk in the Business office once the war was over). Rose love him on basis that he would forever be this dashing hero that is wowed and cheered by all in Fabletown (before his heroic acts starts, she didn't even notice him, and went after other Fables with fame, like Jack Horner) - she was after excitement.
But once she realized Blue had no intention to be the dashing hero she dreamt of, she quickly abondoned him and went on to Sinbad. Only when she found out Blue was dying due to his heroic acts (and being the subject of everyone's concern/gossip etc), did she begin to notice him again (Blue knew this, so when she wanted them to be together at his deathbed he refused - he knew they would be miserable/unhappy together with such different ideals about love).
While it is possible now Rose may accept Blue for what kind of person he wants to become, I somehow doubt this, considering Rose's long history of going after people who are exciting (and even if they do try to romance again, I highly doubt it would be ever-lasting like Bigby and Snow).
And regarding Blue's return, I don't know. I always thought Boy Blue's appearence in #134 was his last "Real" appearence in Fables - and what made that issue so great was that it felt bittersweet (I felt when he was saying those last words to Bigby, he was not just saying goodbye to Bigby, but also to readers as well). To bring Boy Blue back now (even to heaven paradise state, though this shouldn't happen to maintain coherency) would kinda ruin that moment for me ( but I guess you have a different opinion).
Also like I said before, "The other Side" is the point of no return. Passing over to "the other side" from "Paradise heaven" is a one-way trip, once passed over, the spirit cannot return back to paradise heaven. So if Rose really were to see Blue, she would really need to pass over to the other side (but before that, she would be greeted by a Fable she knows in paradise heaven who hasn't yet passed over......Maybe Weyland Smith?).
Even if Rose goes through that, there's no guarantee she would get together with Blue, it is even possible Blue has already found someone special, and already having his happily ever after (that's what I am hoping for Blue, I just can't imagine a happily ever after between Rose and Blue).
And Boys in the Band title (Gosh I really hate that title!) could mean anything - it's not necessarily meaning he'll come back.
I think it's cuz no one ever seems to stay dead in Fables and so far Boy Blue is the only one to actually remain dead...
Maybe Rose's Mother will greet her on the other side? I still can't believe that she got with Lancelot so quickly, he hadn't really done anything exciting besides be the best fighter of all the Knights and have a track record dating back to the first Camelot.
But like you said in your last comment; maybe Rose encounters a 'fake' Boy Blue in the Afterlife who tells her false truths etc.
I would like to add a bit more since you haven't changed anything yet, and because today is Monday. I agree with your theory because of the cubs. Taking a step back to #142 we see Winter's early army, and Blossom already not wanting Maddy to tell Snow the entire family history. Basically Winter has a huge army at her disposal, including her uncles. Therese obviously has toy soldiers.
If both Snow and Rose die, the female cubs will begin to fight eachother. Which is already fated, and Fate already knew the female cubs would fight eachother as she told Rose Red already.
Plz explain the 'cubs fighting each other' part!
Therese isn't joined with Rose; one her toys is a Knight of New Camelot and says he will represent Therese; but Therese wouldn't fight against her Mother or her own Sister!!
Also the preview Monday didn't happen ;/ Sometimes they don't happen...
Check again, you might have checked too early. Here's the link: http://www.dccomics.com/blog/2015/01/19/preview-monday-batman-eternal-42-and-fables-148#1 I read the Fables part.
I didn't know it was up :P I'm gonna read it now!
Right ok... So basically your assuming that Snow's cubs will have to fight each other until one is left standing? Well Ambrose is shown to still be alive, but the cubs fates have been determined...
I doubt the 'cubs fighting each other' will come to pass; it's too much story for just a few more issues
Your theory states that Snow will return. If Snow returns the female cubs will stop fighting each other since Snow will remove the bitterness.
I still don't think the female cubs will fight each other that way... Winter is the new North Wind and has centuries of wisdom inside her for a a start, Therese is the queen of Toyland and admitted to Snow that her place is there. If Therese and Winter leave then Blossom will be ok.
Also there is the possibility that because they are also Bigby's cubs, his heritage might null the violence?
Bigby's heritage leads to fighting for dominance. Blossom will most likely join either Winter or Therese, hence the pauper prophecy is fulfilled. Also since both Winter and Therese own kingdoms they'll send their armies to fight. Snow returns before any army wins, hence ending the fight before it becomes serious.
We'll see...
Thinking about the history of Snow's and Rose's family... Their mom and one of their aunts didn't fight each other until Snow married Charming and were the last two standing. I have to agree with you that they will follow Bigby's family history. Fighting for dominance makes more sense.
There are a few possibilities with how Snow and Rose fight each other. Either it's the way you said that Rose tells Snow their family history, or it could be that Rose tells Snow she saw Bigby. Remembering what Rose said a lot earlier Snow won't be her coldly calm self and attack Rose without warning.
Maybe Snow fights Rose for Bigby? It seems to me (at least from previous issues) that Snow doesn't quite know whether to try and save her husband or let him be killed...
Maybe Rose revealing the nature of the ring will change Snow's perspective and she will try and take it from Rose
Actually Snow does want to save Bigby, and is only looking who to kill next. Snow already gave orders to find Brandish, and with her powers she can kill him. Snow also ordered Cindy to kill Bellflower for wanting to kill Bigby in a fight.
Brandish's heart must be stabbed for him to die, that's how you kill a Fable...
And I'm sure there is a different reason for Snow wanting to kill Bellflower; Snow doesn't know what Bigby is like atm, she hasn't seen him since his return.
A lot of what you are saying is hypothetical... Just like what I'm saying! We'll have to wait and see what Willingham does.
Or blow Brandish up (I would laugh for quite a while), Snow can do that. 5 vs 5 is a tie. Snow already said she wants Bigby alive and in her arms.
5 vs 5 is a tie? What are you talking about?
Snow says in Volume 20 that she wants Bigby to give her a sign that he is still out there; she doesn't specifically say she wants him in her arms (although I would melt like butter in a microwave if she did say that :P)
Yup, I would laugh so hard if they had Brandish's head blown up (into smithereens) and his headless body still trying to find the head (let's see him try to regenerate from that)
Though 100% sure way to kill him will be to stab his heart. But I don't think anyone know where his heart is (except for Brandish himself).
Brandish needs to die, and quickly. Him being alive is already impeding the progression of the Snow vs Rose storyline in my opinion (his current story is kinda remnant of the v19 Snow White arc anyway)
Maybe Bigby takes his head off and stomps it to pieces XD
Brandish has been dragged out for WAY too long; I hope he gets dealt with either tomorrow, or in 149 :P
Now if Brandish ends up surviving to 150, I will personally be furious!!
I would also be furious, unless he blows up (explodes to pieces) through Snow's magic.
Snow is holding out for Bigby, and will continue to hold out. Also Snow could realize that all her words come true and that would have a major impact on Snow.
Ok you're confusing me now more than anything...
We have no idea as to what Snow can do with her magic yet!!
Not the full extent, but conjuration is already evident.
She didn't conjure her armour and sword...
Her first armour and sword she didn't, but she did her current sword.
She changed the colour of it sure, but that's all Snow has done so far...
You're coming up with 'blowing stuff up with her magic' and '5 vs 5 is a tie' and it all sounds like nonsense to me.
the 5 vs 5 is how the votes for or against Bigby would change now. Snow has the ability since she is already more powerful than any witch on the 13th floor. Snow has the same amount of strength as Rose, if you recall.