I stayed down. Getting back up would have pissed him off even more, he would have hit some other Forrester and I have to think about my heal… moreth too, Rodrik's in no shape to fight or take a beating. I don't really care about 'letting them think they've won' or whatever, the only reasons I didn't get up - I've said in the previous sentence.
You're damned right I did. I promised Gwyn I'd keep the peace, and went as far as not hitting the Whitehills who were mocking Ethan's death… more. When Gryff threw Talia into the mud, I lost it. I couldn't allow such dishonor, Gryff throwing the weakest member of our house into the mud was disgusting. I punched him in the mouth and stood up every fucking time, I'm glad I did. Gwyn be damned, I learned my lesson to not roll over and play dead.
I got back up. The Whitehills cut down the ironwood without farsight and defile my people's homes. The ironwood has made House Forrester what it is and now the Whitehills think, they can just take everything until there's nothing left. My Rodrik is going to let the world know: "I, Rodrik, Lord of Ironrath, shall shield my people with a body and spirit like iron. Let them beat me, slash me, bleed me, burn me, I will let their voices be heard. To those who wish to claim our lifeblood as their own, I say come and break me if you can. My body may return to the ice, yet you will find that the iron that grows from my ashes be so unbendable that only the truest to this house may be able to claim it."
No, they aren't. They are happy with the situation and feel like they're in control. Let them feel that and they'll start to lower their guard. When the time to strike is there, it'll be an easier victory.
What you say doesn't make much sense. She can tell them to be strong, but wait for an opening before reacting fiercely agains the Whitehills. People need strength to submit without feeling weak.
Exactly. I don't understand why she even tells them to stand up and be strong when all she does when those moments come is tell them that "n… moreow is not the time." Unless she knew better or knows something that we don't, I don't see why standing down would be the best option in all scenarios (some it is, but not always). Unless she just panics when those times come, there has to be something that isn't adding up.
I stayed down. Getting back up would have pissed him off even more, he would have hit some other Forrester and I have to think about my heal… moreth too, Rodrik's in no shape to fight or take a beating. I don't really care about 'letting them think they've won' or whatever, the only reasons I didn't get up - I've said in the previous sentence.
No, they aren't. They are happy with the situation and feel like they're in control. Let them feel that and they'll start to lower their guard. When the time to strike is there, it'll be an easier victory.
It may be to you. Imo, trying to act tough when you have nothing to back it up with is more stupid than submitting for the time being, then striking when the chance is right.
I agree. The best possibility would be to get up until Gryff is shaking and that's the best time to stay down. That way his men might start to abandon him.
It may be to you. Imo, trying to act tough when you have nothing to back it up with is more stupid than submitting for the time being, then striking when the chance is right.
I continued to get up, but I tell you this, He touches my sister again I'm going to open Gryff from balls to brains and see what Whitehills are made of.
I understand your point of view, and you could be right, but I still don't think she's completely trustworthy. The house is desperate and she knows that. Yes, there is a time to stand down and a time to fight, but in my play-through at least it doesn't add up. Perhaps she isn't the traitor and I'm just reading into little things too much, but still. It's a theory. It makes sense to me, but if it doesn't for other people that's totally cool.
What you say doesn't make much sense. She can tell them to be strong, but wait for an opening before reacting fiercely agains the Whitehills. People need strength to submit without feeling weak.
The problem with the small-folk is that they're being forced to blindly follow their Lord because they have no other choice. No one in the common group seems too good at fighting and they're only doing what their told. If you don't have a little control over the situation, or you don't tell them what you're planning on doing, it wouldn't surprise me if they end up naturally doing as they're told if someone who seems more powerful threatens them to do so...
The only reason why I stayed down is because Gwyn told me to. I've fought the system many times before, but there's a right time for everything. If staying down now helps me fight with more strength later on (as she is implying), I'm going to do it.
No, I stayed down. It had too much of an Ethan-gate feel, albeit Gryff is nowhere near as crazy as Ramsay and there was very little reason f… moreor Rodrik to die there. It also showed tact, I think. Gryff seems really harmless to me. His time will come. Sooner or later.
Talia is defiant, but only because she wants her family to be in the position she knew they were in before. Powerful, not stuck under the Whitehill's thumbs. The only problem I have with her (or will have, depends on what they do with her) is if she continues to cause trouble. I can use her to our advantage if she doesn't fight back in obvious ways. There's better ways to fight a war than upfront right away, especially as a child who can get away with a lot if you're careful. It's not that she is or isn't an example to follow, more like a piece in the game and another person who can be beneficial (if they'll let her be a strong female character instead of someone who just causes more problems).
I felt that I would probably be able to explain to her why I chose to stay down later and that she would understand the situation. Gwyn is the one hope Rodrik has to having inside info on the Whitehills. They have a spy on us? Well, then we'll have one on them. Two houses can play that game. Maybe she's lying, but what else do we have to lose at this point?
I made sure Rodrick stayed down, hoping Talia would understand. Besides, Gwyn knows her brother better than I do. I figure I could trust her this one time.
I agree with Shubbalubbadingdong. There's a time for everything and if the Whitehills start adding to the list all of the times you fought, they will kill you. Or they'll just kill someone you love. If they feel that they are in control, they'll start to loosen up. They'll get lazy- especially with Gryff pretending to be this big macho guy that he clearly isn't. He may have soldiers, but the second he's alone I don't think he'll prove to be the man he thinks he is. Yes, choosing to stay down will make you look weak right in that moment. But there are tactics in war beyond the physical fighting. It takes patience and time for things to work well for the weaker side sometimes. You can hit them when they least expect it and it will cause more damage than constantly putting up a fight just because you're angry the moment that an injustice is done to you.
It may be to you. Imo, trying to act tough when you have nothing to back it up with is more stupid than submitting for the time being, then striking when the chance is right.
The only reason why I stayed down is because Gwyn told me to. I've fought the system many times before, but there's a right time for everything. If staying down now helps me fight with more strength later on (as she is implying), I'm going to do it.
Honestly, I don't think there's necessarily a wrong option... Both will have positive and negative sides... I guess it depends on what you'd rather deal with. //
No, I didn't. I trust Gwyn. However, my theory that Lady Forrester is the traitor only became stronger because of it. She contradicts hersel… moref constantly by telling her children to be strong and then when the time comes to stand up and fight, she says it's the right thing to do to step down. Something's fishy with her and I don't like it. Even if she isn't the traitor, it's something I find annoying.
Why would Catelyn betray her house and put her children in danger by freeing Jaime? Lady Forrester thinks that her children will be safe if only they give their enemies what they want.
I agree. ''Kill them down to the babes in their beds,'' and then when she's watching her son being beat up, ''stay down.''? What the hell? Do you want me to submit to them or kill them all? She's just too...I don't know, but she isn't really putting words to action.
I understand your point of view, and you could be right, but I still don't think she's completely trustworthy. The house is desperate and sh… moree knows that. Yes, there is a time to stand down and a time to fight, but in my play-through at least it doesn't add up. Perhaps she isn't the traitor and I'm just reading into little things too much, but still. It's a theory. It makes sense to me, but if it doesn't for other people that's totally cool.
I continued to get up, but I tell you this, He touches my sister again I'm going to open Gryff from balls to brains and see what Whitehills are made of.
Exactly. That's my point. Lady Forrester will do whatever it is she has to do to keep her kids safe- and I don't think that trading information in exchange for their safety is excluded here. If she knew that it was the only option that she had available to guarantee that nothing would happen to her family, I think she would take it. Maybe others believe that she wouldn't, but I personally do.
Why would Catelyn betray her house and put her children in danger by freeing Jaime? Lady Forrester thinks that her children will be safe if only they give their enemies what they want.
Thanks. I've actually had a ton of people tell me that it's a ridiculous theory, so I'm glad someone else sees it the same way! She's not consistent enough. What she'll say alone is totally different than what she says when the time comes to either do something or not. It's true that she may just see the way of fighting through words (as in waiting for the right opportunity) and not violence as some may claim... but if that were true, she wouldn't say to slaughter everyone. Again, I could be totally wrong and she just gets nervous when things get bad, but it's too many times to claim one thing and then do another. It happens too often in the GOT universe.
I agree. ''Kill them down to the babes in their beds,'' and then when she's watching her son being beat up, ''stay down.''? What the hell? D… moreo you want me to submit to them or kill them all? She's just too...I don't know, but she isn't really putting words to action.
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Trust me, you'll love it when you stood up to Him,. Just try ^-^
True dat, that's why I stood up... even though Gruff is afraid of Talia lol
NICE, fuck Gwyn, she's probably lying about everything she told you, so I I was like Fuck you, and Punch Gryff
I think Telltale's testing us to see if we are weak or not lol
I got back up. The Whitehills cut down the ironwood without farsight and defile my people's homes. The ironwood has made House Forrester what it is and now the Whitehills think, they can just take everything until there's nothing left. My Rodrik is going to let the world know: "I, Rodrik, Lord of Ironrath, shall shield my people with a body and spirit like iron. Let them beat me, slash me, bleed me, burn me, I will let their voices be heard. To those who wish to claim our lifeblood as their own, I say come and break me if you can. My body may return to the ice, yet you will find that the iron that grows from my ashes be so unbendable that only the truest to this house may be able to claim it."
No, they aren't. They are happy with the situation and feel like they're in control. Let them feel that and they'll start to lower their guard. When the time to strike is there, it'll be an easier victory.
Hell yeah. I couldn't give Gryff the satisfaction.
I never said Gryff was trying to kill Rodrik...
I went back and decided to stay down purely for this reason
I continued to get up till he (Gryff) made a fool of himself by shaking, and that's when I stayed down.
I didn't say you did, but in my perspective
sorry if that confuse/ offend you, my fault.
What you say doesn't make much sense. She can tell them to be strong, but wait for an opening before reacting fiercely agains the Whitehills. People need strength to submit without feeling weak.
He steps in your arm either way, so whatever.
I agree with Prince_Charming, submitting is stupid.
There there.
He didn't step on my arm.
Ah, I see.
It may be to you. Imo, trying to act tough when you have nothing to back it up with is more stupid than submitting for the time being, then striking when the chance is right.
I agree. The best possibility would be to get up until Gryff is shaking and that's the best time to stay down. That way his men might start to abandon him.
I continued to get up, but I tell you this, He touches my sister again I'm going to open Gryff from balls to brains and see what Whitehills are made of.
I understand your point of view, and you could be right, but I still don't think she's completely trustworthy. The house is desperate and she knows that. Yes, there is a time to stand down and a time to fight, but in my play-through at least it doesn't add up. Perhaps she isn't the traitor and I'm just reading into little things too much, but still. It's a theory. It makes sense to me, but if it doesn't for other people that's totally cool.
The problem with the small-folk is that they're being forced to blindly follow their Lord because they have no other choice. No one in the common group seems too good at fighting and they're only doing what their told. If you don't have a little control over the situation, or you don't tell them what you're planning on doing, it wouldn't surprise me if they end up naturally doing as they're told if someone who seems more powerful threatens them to do so...
The only reason why I stayed down is because Gwyn told me to. I've fought the system many times before, but there's a right time for everything. If staying down now helps me fight with more strength later on (as she is implying), I'm going to do it.
Agreed.
Talia is defiant, but only because she wants her family to be in the position she knew they were in before. Powerful, not stuck under the Whitehill's thumbs. The only problem I have with her (or will have, depends on what they do with her) is if she continues to cause trouble. I can use her to our advantage if she doesn't fight back in obvious ways. There's better ways to fight a war than upfront right away, especially as a child who can get away with a lot if you're careful. It's not that she is or isn't an example to follow, more like a piece in the game and another person who can be beneficial (if they'll let her be a strong female character instead of someone who just causes more problems).
I felt that I would probably be able to explain to her why I chose to stay down later and that she would understand the situation. Gwyn is the one hope Rodrik has to having inside info on the Whitehills. They have a spy on us? Well, then we'll have one on them. Two houses can play that game. Maybe she's lying, but what else do we have to lose at this point?
I agree with Shubbalubbadingdong. There's a time for everything and if the Whitehills start adding to the list all of the times you fought, they will kill you. Or they'll just kill someone you love. If they feel that they are in control, they'll start to loosen up. They'll get lazy- especially with Gryff pretending to be this big macho guy that he clearly isn't. He may have soldiers, but the second he's alone I don't think he'll prove to be the man he thinks he is. Yes, choosing to stay down will make you look weak right in that moment. But there are tactics in war beyond the physical fighting. It takes patience and time for things to work well for the weaker side sometimes. You can hit them when they least expect it and it will cause more damage than constantly putting up a fight just because you're angry the moment that an injustice is done to you.
Where where.
I guess you're right,
Aw don't do that. You made your choice. Live with it. Regret it, or whatever, but it's your choice.
Honestly, I don't think there's necessarily a wrong option... Both will have positive and negative sides... I guess it depends on what you'd rather deal with.
//
yes ofs he should know his place
I get back up, I was expecting that Rodrik would turn into werewolf!
Why would Catelyn betray her house and put her children in danger by freeing Jaime? Lady Forrester thinks that her children will be safe if only they give their enemies what they want.
I agree. ''Kill them down to the babes in their beds,'' and then when she's watching her son being beat up, ''stay down.''? What the hell? Do you want me to submit to them or kill them all? She's just too...I don't know, but she isn't really putting words to action.
They're obviously made of bread and salt.
Exactly. That's my point. Lady Forrester will do whatever it is she has to do to keep her kids safe- and I don't think that trading information in exchange for their safety is excluded here. If she knew that it was the only option that she had available to guarantee that nothing would happen to her family, I think she would take it. Maybe others believe that she wouldn't, but I personally do.
Thanks. I've actually had a ton of people tell me that it's a ridiculous theory, so I'm glad someone else sees it the same way! She's not consistent enough. What she'll say alone is totally different than what she says when the time comes to either do something or not. It's true that she may just see the way of fighting through words (as in waiting for the right opportunity) and not violence as some may claim... but if that were true, she wouldn't say to slaughter everyone. Again, I could be totally wrong and she just gets nervous when things get bad, but it's too many times to claim one thing and then do another. It happens too often in the GOT universe.
I lost it after he threw Talia on the mud, I was like:
"Aww hell no bich u pay fo dat!!" and "FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU, FUCK YOU""
(plus, I noticed there was a villager who looks like a rehash of Mira)
I didnt get back up. I am smart. Let them think they won. And when they dont expect it stick a knife in their heart and twist it (Roose Bolton Style).
Replace "Lannisters" with "Forresters".