I don't think it's completely ludicrous, just unlikely for the reasons stated, namely will Telltale want to elaborate on a character who in canon we know very little about and the map thing. On the first point you could say that maybe they wouldn't elaborate that much, and on the second we don't know the exact location of the Three-Eyed Raven's cave and perhaps Gregor's map is off a bit. It does have consistency with the few descriptions of the North Grove, namely being a 'forest within a forest' (its cave system) and being a 'fortress' (the wards).
My own speculation isn't a million miles away, I reckon it might have something to do with the Children of the Forest having some connection to the ironwood as they do to weirwood, perhaps leaving some forgotten technique or artifact relating to it.
The one theory I am willing to dismiss is the idea that it's just a stash of ironwood, which would be both boring and impractical. How's Gared supposed to get it back, U-Haul?
But almost every house in Westeros also existed before Brynden Rivers and after him.
The only one I can even think of that doesn't fit that would be House Baelish.
Not gunna lie, some of you guys have kinda been dicks All I have done is just stated a theory, and some of you are like "NO THAT'S WRONG, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?"
Feel free to debunk me as I've said, but you don't need to be a knob about it
Right. There are more then just House Baelish, I just couldn't think of any of the top of my head when I wrote the comment.
I was just trying to point out that the vast majority of houses in Westeros are ancient. Unlike the real world important dynasties very rarely fall, so almost all of them would have been around before Bloodraven.
It's not a bad theory, it's just impossible to pull-off within a Telltale Game. The show hasn't even begun to explore BR, his personnality and the Children of the forest. It won't happen through that kind of media.
And like I said Bran's story is unique, not even the Starks who have been living for thousands of years dreamt something like this would happen, he was the one chosen for this. If everyone just starts showing up there like it's no big deal it undermines and ruins all the work till now.
How many weirwoods are there in the North, the Children of the Forest have created quite a bunch. I'm not surprised one could be linked to another northern legend
How many weirwoods are there in the North, the Children of the Forest have created quite a bunch. I'm not surprised one could be linked to another northern legend
I apologize that you think a lot of people are going out of their way to be rude to you. However, you come across as very demanding when stating your evidence. For instance, your main argument is a few pictures from the show that match up to the map. And, while they look like they could be related to you, they don't even seem related in the slightest to a lot of other people, yet when others pile on tons of evidence to debunk your theory, it just doesn't seem to be enough for you, and you expect us to give you more, even when you've given so little yourself. It's very frustrating. Sorry.
Not gunna lie, some of you guys have kinda been dicks All I have done is just stated a theory, and some of you are like "NO THAT'S WRONG, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?"
Feel free to debunk me as I've said, but you don't need to be a knob about it
If they leave the North Grove reveal for season 2 me and many others won't continue to play cause after the horrible written Episode 5 they have a lot to make up for in the season finale.
Not gunna lie, some of you guys have kinda been dicks All I have done is just stated a theory, and some of you are like "NO THAT'S WRONG, WTF IS WRONG WITH YOU!?!?"
Feel free to debunk me as I've said, but you don't need to be a knob about it
You do realise I have submitted to a few things people have commented on this thread? And what's wrong with defending my theory? Even though poeple are putting evidence against, I still think my evidence still outweighs their comments.
I apologize that you think a lot of people are going out of their way to be rude to you. However, you come across as very demanding when sta… moreting your evidence. For instance, your main argument is a few pictures from the show that match up to the map. And, while they look like they could be related to you, they don't even seem related in the slightest to a lot of other people, yet when others pile on tons of evidence to debunk your theory, it just doesn't seem to be enough for you, and you expect us to give you more, even when you've given so little yourself. It's very frustrating. Sorry.
anyone else think they hyped this thing too much??? its clear that this thing cant be so important because then why dont the starks or someone else know about it and use it.
They location seemed to be spot on, but it didn't make too much sense story-wise. So I said it made sense, but wasn't likely. God, people can be really picky here.
they cant make shit inpact the cannon
cough cough
scooter s death anyone from tales from the borderlands
on a spin off game?
anyone (would be awesome to see gared on the show tho)
Bloodraven never called that tree the North Grove in the novels, besides they can't make the Forresters impact the canon. I seriously doubt … moreGared can just enter and Bran and BR will just be like: "hey bud welcome to ma crib, here is where I cook blue meth for the Others. we still have onion rings in the fridge if you hungry !"
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They location seemed to be spot on, but it didn't make too much sense story-wise. So I said it made sense, but wasn't likely. God, people can be really picky here.
Tales is already confirmed canon by gearbox, they have been adding to the writing with telltale, why do people keep saying it's not? They even say it in the trailer as part of the timeline.
they cant make shit inpact the cannon
cough cough
scooter s death anyone from tales from the borderlands
on a spin off game?
anyone (would be awesome to see gared on the show tho)
Great point. If the North Grove is really important then it should be more then just a wilding myth to the north (especially the Starks).
Although even Rodrik knew about the North Grove, and no one (I presume, unless the writers added his knowledge in randomly to episode 5) told him about it.
anyone else think they hyped this thing too much??? its clear that this thing cant be so important because then why dont the starks or someone else know about it and use it.
I really don't think we will see the North Grove until season 2. And I doubt Bran would be involved, until the following seasons.
But one thing that is throwing me off is the title of episode 6. How will an Ice Dragon come into play, and be a main part of the episode if none (to my understanding, but I only know from the show) are known to exist. Is this a product of the white walkers, or of the wildings?
In the world of GoT, The Ice Dragon is a constellation of stars that people use to get their bearings. If you follow it's eye, a bright blue star, you will head North, if you follow it's tail, it will take you South.
The North Grove is said to be "under the watchful eye of the ice dragon" this could indicate how to find the grove (go until the Ice Dragon's eye is directly overhead), instead of suggesting that an actual ice dragon is there.
There could also be a cosmic event involving the ice dragon constellation that all the characters witness. In the books/show there is a red comet that is witnessed by everyone at the end of the first book/season and beginning of the second book/season and is given different meanings. (e.g. the Night's Watchs call it "Mormont's Torch" and believes it gives them a light and protection during their great ranging, Dany believes it represents Drogo's transition to the afterlife as well as a herald for her own coming and a sign of where she should go next, Old Nan tells Bran that the comet is a foretelling that Dragons have been born etc.)
I really don't think we will see the North Grove until season 2. And I doubt Bran would be involved, until the following seasons.
But one… more thing that is throwing me off is the title of episode 6. How will an Ice Dragon come into play, and be a main part of the episode if none (to my understanding, but I only know from the show) are known to exist. Is this a product of the white walkers, or of the wildings?
Great point. If the North Grove is really important then it should be more then just a wilding myth to the north (especially the Starks).
… more Although even Rodrik knew about the North Grove, and no one (I presume, unless the writers added his knowledge in randomly to episode 5) told him about it.
It's not necessarily a real ice dragon.
In the world of GoT, The Ice Dragon is a constellation of stars that people use to get their bear… moreings. If you follow it's eye, a bright blue star, you will head North, if you follow it's tail, it will take you South.
The North Grove is said to be "under the watchful eye of the ice dragon" this could indicate how to find the grove (go until the Ice Dragon's eye is directly overhead), instead of suggesting that an actual ice dragon is there.
There could also be a cosmic event involving the ice dragon constellation that all the characters witness. In the books/show there is a red comet that is witnessed by everyone at the end of the first book/season and beginning of the second book/season and is given different meanings. (e.g. the Night's Watchs call it "Mormont's Torch" and believes it gives them a light and protection during their great ranging, Dany believes it represents Drogo's transition to… [view original content]
I don't know if it's ever been mentioned specifically in the show.
It's mentioned a couple times in the books.
It's how Bran navigates his way North. Jojen says it is too dangerous to use the Kingsroad (since Ramsay Bolton knows that he and Rickon are alive) so they instead use the Ice Dragon to ensure they continue North.
Jon uses it to navigate beyond the wall, he thinks to himself that the Ice Dragon and him are old friends.
Sam uses it to find his way back to the wall (by following the Ice Dragon's Tail which points south) when he escapes Craster's with Gilly.
I don't know if it's ever been mentioned specifically in the show.
It's mentioned a couple times in the books.
* It's how Bran navig… moreates his way North. Jojen says it is too dangerous to use the Kingsroad (since Ramsay Bolton knows that he and Rickon are alive) so they instead use the Ice Dragon to ensure they continue North.
* Jon uses it to navigate beyond the wall, he thinks to himself that the Ice Dragon and him are old friends.
* Sam uses it to find his way back to the wall (by following the Ice Dragon's Tail which points south) when he escapes Craster's with Gilly.
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Just the certain attitude of some people
I don't think it's likely, but it seems too identical to be coincidental.
I don't think it's completely ludicrous, just unlikely for the reasons stated, namely will Telltale want to elaborate on a character who in canon we know very little about and the map thing. On the first point you could say that maybe they wouldn't elaborate that much, and on the second we don't know the exact location of the Three-Eyed Raven's cave and perhaps Gregor's map is off a bit. It does have consistency with the few descriptions of the North Grove, namely being a 'forest within a forest' (its cave system) and being a 'fortress' (the wards).
My own speculation isn't a million miles away, I reckon it might have something to do with the Children of the Forest having some connection to the ironwood as they do to weirwood, perhaps leaving some forgotten technique or artifact relating to it.
The one theory I am willing to dismiss is the idea that it's just a stash of ironwood, which would be both boring and impractical. How's Gared supposed to get it back, U-Haul?
House Seaworth, Clegane, Blackfyre and many more very "new" houses were formed after Brynden Rivers' birth. Just saying :P
Wow... I thought it would be a lot farther from the wall with how long it took Bran to get there.
Nobody that's disagreed with you has insulted you, however you just insulted them, congratulations.
Right. There are more then just House Baelish, I just couldn't think of any of the top of my head when I wrote the comment.
I was just trying to point out that the vast majority of houses in Westeros are ancient. Unlike the real world important dynasties very rarely fall, so almost all of them would have been around before Bloodraven.
It's not a bad theory, it's just impossible to pull-off within a Telltale Game. The show hasn't even begun to explore BR, his personnality and the Children of the forest. It won't happen through that kind of media.
And like I said Bran's story is unique, not even the Starks who have been living for thousands of years dreamt something like this would happen, he was the one chosen for this. If everyone just starts showing up there like it's no big deal it undermines and ruins all the work till now.
How many weirwoods are there in the North, the Children of the Forest have created quite a bunch. I'm not surprised one could be linked to another northern legend
It's possible.
I apologize that you think a lot of people are going out of their way to be rude to you. However, you come across as very demanding when stating your evidence. For instance, your main argument is a few pictures from the show that match up to the map. And, while they look like they could be related to you, they don't even seem related in the slightest to a lot of other people, yet when others pile on tons of evidence to debunk your theory, it just doesn't seem to be enough for you, and you expect us to give you more, even when you've given so little yourself. It's very frustrating. Sorry.
If they leave the North Grove reveal for season 2 me and many others won't continue to play cause after the horrible written Episode 5 they have a lot to make up for in the season finale.
You know calling people dick while putting a smiley face does not make it okay lol
You do realise I have submitted to a few things people have commented on this thread? And what's wrong with defending my theory? Even though poeple are putting evidence against, I still think my evidence still outweighs their comments.
Duncan said It's a protected citadel of sorts yet cotter said It's a sceret forest within a forest.
a comment later
"I don't think it's likely,"
We might meet Bran if this is true
anyone else think they hyped this thing too much??? its clear that this thing cant be so important because then why dont the starks or someone else know about it and use it.
They location seemed to be spot on, but it didn't make too much sense story-wise. So I said it made sense, but wasn't likely. God, people can be really picky here.
they cant make shit inpact the cannon
cough cough
scooter s death anyone from tales from the borderlands
on a spin off game?
anyone (would be awesome to see gared on the show tho)
it just was funny how you thought he was right a comment before and then you thought its unlikely.
I still think he's right, the location seems right, but the problem that makes it unlikely is that I don't think it fits the plot.
I just remembered that bran isn't in S5 at all, so Gared could fit in that gap an leave when S6 starts
Tales is already confirmed canon by gearbox, they have been adding to the writing with telltale, why do people keep saying it's not? They even say it in the trailer as part of the timeline.
Great point. If the North Grove is really important then it should be more then just a wilding myth to the north (especially the Starks).
Although even Rodrik knew about the North Grove, and no one (I presume, unless the writers added his knowledge in randomly to episode 5) told him about it.
I really don't think we will see the North Grove until season 2. And I doubt Bran would be involved, until the following seasons.
But one thing that is throwing me off is the title of episode 6. How will an Ice Dragon come into play, and be a main part of the episode if none (to my understanding, but I only know from the show) are known to exist. Is this a product of the white walkers, or of the wildings?
It's not necessarily a real ice dragon.
In the world of GoT, The Ice Dragon is a constellation of stars that people use to get their bearings. If you follow it's eye, a bright blue star, you will head North, if you follow it's tail, it will take you South.
The North Grove is said to be "under the watchful eye of the ice dragon" this could indicate how to find the grove (go until the Ice Dragon's eye is directly overhead), instead of suggesting that an actual ice dragon is there.
There could also be a cosmic event involving the ice dragon constellation that all the characters witness. In the books/show there is a red comet that is witnessed by everyone at the end of the first book/season and beginning of the second book/season and is given different meanings. (e.g. the Night's Watchs call it "Mormont's Torch" and believes it gives them a light and protection during their great ranging, Dany believes it represents Drogo's transition to the afterlife as well as a herald for her own coming and a sign of where she should go next, Old Nan tells Bran that the comet is a foretelling that Dragons have been born etc.)
his father told him and duncan about it, and because rodrick "died" in episode 1 lord forester told him to say it only to duncan
Makes so much more sense... Never really heard the ice dragon metaphor in the show.. But maybe that's my fault. Thanks for clearing it up.
Ahh that is true.
I don't know if it's ever been mentioned specifically in the show.
It's mentioned a couple times in the books.
Yeah these are important things that were left out of the show.
I know for sure that Sam and Gilly (in the show) went back to Castle Black with no explanation how they found they're way back.