I feel he's dead either way. He'll still be in what he refers to as 'there' (Basically hell or purgatory) He can just be taken from 'there' when he becomes active again
Yeah, the thing is, they could have done so much more with that - the AI isn't really HJ? Show us how it's different and how that leads to everything it planned failing, don't just have it suddenly turn on a loyal Rhys for no reason. It is actually like Jack? Have him at least explain how he needs to get rid of Rhys since you're too alike and Jack believes that will lead to you betraying him eventually, so better safe than sorry... Still not ideal solutions, since I'd seriously love a 'Rhys is power hungry and it makes him evil' option, but still better than what we got.
And for the love of god, vary the auto-dialog Rhys has... don't give pro-Jack Rhys lines that clearly fit anti-Jack Rhys, amp up the drama, have Rhys ask Jack why he's doing this to him when he's been nothing but loyal, make Rhys promise Jack he'd get him back on top as an echo of that choice back at the start of episode 2, and ok, have Jack turn that all down with a 'can't take the risk, kiddo, sorry', but don't give me this generic 'I hate HJ' crap...
C'mon people, so many missed opportunities in the intro alone ;_;
I am so glad other people are seeing that! My husband is just as huge of a fan as I am, and we both think it was either lazy writing, or sho… morewing the AI had a flaw in it. Like maybe Nakayama made the AI too narcissistic. I mean, like you guys have been saying, why betray an ally you can get to do everything for you?
I almost felt bad, but then I thought "Well, you killed a lot of people. How many of them begged for their lives just like you are doing now, and you killed them anyway?".
I sympathised with him because he has been screwed over so many times - and that could have driven him down the path he took - but he has had his chances to repent. He isn't trustworthy at all
Definitely agree! There was way more that could've been included. That, and why go through the trouble of bringing Handsome Jack back from the grave JUST TO KILL HIM OFF AGAIN!?! It was a b#tch slap to the whole fandom, in my opinion. And so many people in gearbox admit to thinking it was a bad idea to kill him off in the first place. Now, any other villain will be 'the replacement of Handsome Jack.'
Yeah, the thing is, they could have done so much more with that - the AI isn't really HJ? Show us how it's different and how that leads to e… moreverything it planned failing, don't just have it suddenly turn on a loyal Rhys for no reason. It is actually like Jack? Have him at least explain how he needs to get rid of Rhys since you're too alike and Jack believes that will lead to you betraying him eventually, so better safe than sorry... Still not ideal solutions, since I'd seriously love a 'Rhys is power hungry and it makes him evil' option, but still better than what we got.
And for the love of god, vary the auto-dialog Rhys has... don't give pro-Jack Rhys lines that clearly fit anti-Jack Rhys, amp up the drama, have Rhys ask Jack why he's doing this to him when he's been nothing but loyal, make Rhys promise Jack he'd get him back on top as an echo of that choice back at the start of episode 2, and ok, have Jack turn that all down with a 'can… [view original content]
I had been strongly thinking of going back and doing the silent options for the same reasons you did. Too bad that didn't help.
I mean, CLEARLY, it wasn't going to work out but I thought it would be a bit longer, the Jack hack of the robots was a longer scene then ruling the Hyperion. I figured that Rys would help out his friends get rid of their minders and kill of that woman that betrayed Rys. Instead it's three options that I didn't care about. Especially when I am still trying to open a freaking vault! My imprint is still on the damn artifact, how is it a good idea to kill me before I have even opened the vault? Jack should have had some sort of longer game going to let everyone escape and then swoop in when the vault opens.
However, if I had just had some damned options while talking, that could have mitigated my upset. Being put up like that made no sense. I really hated being told I betrayed Jack for not wanting to be killed. At least make it clear that Jack realizes that HE's the one stabbing ME in the back.
Yeah, the first time I played through that bit it felt so surreal I was honestly expecting a Stranger 'stop lying, tell me what really happe… morened' interruption... But no, it was for real. Then I quit and replayed cause I thought I must have chosen the wrong answer and angered Jack, so I stayed silent... still nope, same effect.
Sigh, 90 percent of my entertainment in this game came from pro-Jack interactions, so this episode taking those entirely away from me really diminished my enjoyment, I'm genuinely upset.
I almost felt bad, but then I thought "Well, you killed a lot of people. How many of them begged for their lives just like you are doing now, and you killed them anyway?".
Rhys said he was sorry, and then crushed the AI.
That's gotta get Rhys' death toll up close to Jack's. Yeah Jack wiped out bandit camps but its never implied that Pandora is a super densely populated. And with all the activity shown on Helios it was probably packed with people. Not to mention the deaths on Pandora from falling debris.
I thought it was an awesome scene - really liked it.
Couldn't bring myself to finish him off though... just...couldn't. That bit with him begging? I had my Rhys do that with Vasquez... made me think that while Jack could obviously never be allowed to be in a position of power, he and Rhys really weren't that different at heart when in a totally helpless situation.
To be honest, I don't think in his mind he was betraying you. Granted, it was a betrayal of sorts to the outside observer, but he's so egotistical and thinks Rhys thinks the world of him (which, to be fair, you can do as Rhys), that in Jack's mind offering the chance for you to be him is the ultimate reward - of sorts.
What Rhys did doesn't suddenly erase, compensate or excuse in any way what Jack did. Just because Rhys killed a lot of people, it doesn't mean Jack doesn't deserve to be punished by his own crimes. These are two separate things. I wouldn't blame a Hyperion that lost his friends in the crash if they tried to kill Rhys for what he did either.
Besides, I'm not Rhys, and it wasn't my decision to crash the space station, it was his. I find it fairly easy to take the moral high ground.
So?
What Rhys did doesn't suddenly erase, compensate or excuse in any way what Jack did. Just because Rhys killed a lot of people, it doe… moresn't mean Jack doesn't deserve to be punished by his own crimes. These are two separate things. I wouldn't blame a Hyperion that lost his friends in the crash if they tried to kill Rhys for what he did either.
Besides, I'm not Rhys, and it wasn't my decision to crash the space station, it was his. I find it fairly easy to take the moral high ground.
I actually don't think Handsome Jack really "betrayed" Rhys as much as he felt he was doing him a favor in that Handsome Jack thinks that Rhys is a heavily obsessed Handsome Jack fanboy like Nakayama, so Handsome Jack gives him a chance to actually "become" Jack. I also am not convinced Handsome Jack actually died as much as he was just trapped in the AIverse, I have a feeling we'll be seeing him again, if not I felt this was satisfying for what it was. The only thing I will agree with is Rhy's 180 of a character once Handsome Jack reveals his plan, if Rhys was pro Jack then he wouldn't automatically ditch Handsome Jack like that, granted my Rhys was more scared of Handsome Jack and just took an opportunity to become a company leader rather than become another Handsome Jack so the writing didn't bother me in that department.
The worst thing is it's not even 'Jack betrays you', which I guess could somehow be explained by his paranoia (though that'd still be stretc… morehing it). It's literally 'suddenly Jack thinks you'd love to get mind-wiped and die for no reason at all and doesn't get why you don't want to', and your only responses are 'I now see that u suck Jack' without a single one letting you try to reason with him, even though my Rhys always sided with Jack, and obviously knew what Jack was generally about.
To be honest, my disappointment with this turn of events was so strong I didn't enjoy this ep much at all. I felt like all the character development I did for my Rhys through various dialog options just got erased, because TT wanted to write a different story. Why give me the options before then, though? Very sad about it, too.
The only thing I will agree with is Rhy's 180 of a character once Handsome Jack reveals his plan
This is the only thing I really didn't like about that scene
Jack 'betraying' me by making the assumption that I'd be quite glad to have a robot skeleton shoved into my skeleton, then taking my justified "hell no" response as me backstabbing him, that's fine, but the fact that every option there is basically just "screw you Jack you're nuts" is disappointing. I mean, I'm not against every option there essentially being "uh, no", but I'm against every one being overly aggressive and confrontational, and having Rhys unnecessarily decide to pick a fight with Jack (or uncharacteristically, if you were pro-Jack up until then). There should have at least been one option that was more diplomatic, like "I kind of don't want that skeleton shoved into me, is there any-- you know, any other way for you to do this? Like uh--like, maybe you could just use a, I don't know, a janitor or something instead?" and have it go from there.
I actually don't think Handsome Jack really "betrayed" Rhys as much as he felt he was doing him a favor in that Handsome Jack thinks that Rh… moreys is a heavily obsessed Handsome Jack fanboy like Nakayama, so Handsome Jack gives him a chance to actually "become" Jack. I also am not convinced Handsome Jack actually died as much as he was just trapped in the AIverse, I have a feeling we'll be seeing him again, if not I felt this was satisfying for what it was. The only thing I will agree with is Rhy's 180 of a character once Handsome Jack reveals his plan, if Rhys was pro Jack then he wouldn't automatically ditch Handsome Jack like that, granted my Rhys was more scared of Handsome Jack and just took an opportunity to become a company leader rather than become another Handsome Jack so the writing didn't bother me in that department.
The only thing I will agree with is Rhy's 180 of a character once Handsome Jack reveals his plan
This is the only thing I really did… moren't like about that scene
Jack 'betraying' me by making the assumption that I'd be quite glad to have a robot skeleton shoved into my skeleton, then taking my justified "hell no" response as me backstabbing him, that's fine, but the fact that every option there is basically just "screw you Jack you're nuts" is disappointing. I mean, I'm not against every option there essentially being "uh, no", but I'm against every one being overly aggressive and confrontational, and having Rhys unnecessarily decide to pick a fight with Jack (or uncharacteristically, if you were pro-Jack up until then). There should have at least been one option that was more diplomatic, like "I kind of don't want that skeleton shoved into me, is there any-- you know, any other way for you to do this? Like uh--like, maybe you could just use a, I don't know, a janitor or something instead?" and have it go from there.
This is my exact thought. Where is it? Was it on Helios? If it was, was it frozen or something? And if Hyperion had his body, why was no one else trying to clone him? I don't understand.
This is my exact thought. Where is it? Was it on Helios? If it was, was it frozen or something? And if Hyperion had his body, why was no one else trying to clone him? I don't understand.
Yeah, the AI wanted to be back in his body, his real body. So, I just gotta wonder if his body was on Helios already or.... oh I just visualized nightmare fuel. O.o
Yeah, the AI wanted to be back in his body, his real body. So, I just gotta wonder if his body was on Helios already or.... oh I just visualized nightmare fuel. O.o
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I feel he's dead either way. He'll still be in what he refers to as 'there' (Basically hell or purgatory) He can just be taken from 'there' when he becomes active again
Yeah, the thing is, they could have done so much more with that - the AI isn't really HJ? Show us how it's different and how that leads to everything it planned failing, don't just have it suddenly turn on a loyal Rhys for no reason. It is actually like Jack? Have him at least explain how he needs to get rid of Rhys since you're too alike and Jack believes that will lead to you betraying him eventually, so better safe than sorry... Still not ideal solutions, since I'd seriously love a 'Rhys is power hungry and it makes him evil' option, but still better than what we got.
And for the love of god, vary the auto-dialog Rhys has... don't give pro-Jack Rhys lines that clearly fit anti-Jack Rhys, amp up the drama, have Rhys ask Jack why he's doing this to him when he's been nothing but loyal, make Rhys promise Jack he'd get him back on top as an echo of that choice back at the start of episode 2, and ok, have Jack turn that all down with a 'can't take the risk, kiddo, sorry', but don't give me this generic 'I hate HJ' crap...
C'mon people, so many missed opportunities in the intro alone ;_;
I almost felt bad, but then I thought "Well, you killed a lot of people. How many of them begged for their lives just like you are doing now, and you killed them anyway?".
Rhys said he was sorry, and then crushed the AI.
I sympathised with him because he has been screwed over so many times - and that could have driven him down the path he took - but he has had his chances to repent. He isn't trustworthy at all
Definitely agree! There was way more that could've been included. That, and why go through the trouble of bringing Handsome Jack back from the grave JUST TO KILL HIM OFF AGAIN!?! It was a b#tch slap to the whole fandom, in my opinion. And so many people in gearbox admit to thinking it was a bad idea to kill him off in the first place. Now, any other villain will be 'the replacement of Handsome Jack.'
I had been strongly thinking of going back and doing the silent options for the same reasons you did. Too bad that didn't help.
I mean, CLEARLY, it wasn't going to work out but I thought it would be a bit longer, the Jack hack of the robots was a longer scene then ruling the Hyperion. I figured that Rys would help out his friends get rid of their minders and kill of that woman that betrayed Rys. Instead it's three options that I didn't care about. Especially when I am still trying to open a freaking vault! My imprint is still on the damn artifact, how is it a good idea to kill me before I have even opened the vault? Jack should have had some sort of longer game going to let everyone escape and then swoop in when the vault opens.
However, if I had just had some damned options while talking, that could have mitigated my upset. Being put up like that made no sense. I really hated being told I betrayed Jack for not wanting to be killed. At least make it clear that Jack realizes that HE's the one stabbing ME in the back.
But how many people did you kill when Hyperion crashed into Pandora? Sort a hard to take the moral high ground at that point.
Oh man, you know a lot of people died when that thing crashed, both on and off Helios. Yeah, that wasn't the smartest move on Rhys' part.
That's gotta get Rhys' death toll up close to Jack's. Yeah Jack wiped out bandit camps but its never implied that Pandora is a super densely populated. And with all the activity shown on Helios it was probably packed with people. Not to mention the deaths on Pandora from falling debris.
I thought it was an awesome scene - really liked it.
Couldn't bring myself to finish him off though... just...couldn't. That bit with him begging? I had my Rhys do that with Vasquez... made me think that while Jack could obviously never be allowed to be in a position of power, he and Rhys really weren't that different at heart when in a totally helpless situation.
I killed him, but I gotta say what he was saying about "it isnt what they say, theres nothing" was kinda sad to hear Jack saying that
To be honest, I don't think in his mind he was betraying you. Granted, it was a betrayal of sorts to the outside observer, but he's so egotistical and thinks Rhys thinks the world of him (which, to be fair, you can do as Rhys), that in Jack's mind offering the chance for you to be him is the ultimate reward - of sorts.
So?
What Rhys did doesn't suddenly erase, compensate or excuse in any way what Jack did. Just because Rhys killed a lot of people, it doesn't mean Jack doesn't deserve to be punished by his own crimes. These are two separate things. I wouldn't blame a Hyperion that lost his friends in the crash if they tried to kill Rhys for what he did either.
Besides, I'm not Rhys, and it wasn't my decision to crash the space station, it was his. I find it fairly easy to take the moral high ground.
I won`t give up the man I have witnessed at The Pre-Sequel. I know he is still inside him !
I'll never shed a tear for Jack.
This is why I had Rhys saying "I guess I'll have to learn to live with that".
Not as many as Jack would kill if left with complete control over Helios.
I didn't say it excuses Jack, just saying there is no moral high ground here.
But he would bring them back, sort of...
I actually don't think Handsome Jack really "betrayed" Rhys as much as he felt he was doing him a favor in that Handsome Jack thinks that Rhys is a heavily obsessed Handsome Jack fanboy like Nakayama, so Handsome Jack gives him a chance to actually "become" Jack. I also am not convinced Handsome Jack actually died as much as he was just trapped in the AIverse, I have a feeling we'll be seeing him again, if not I felt this was satisfying for what it was. The only thing I will agree with is Rhy's 180 of a character once Handsome Jack reveals his plan, if Rhys was pro Jack then he wouldn't automatically ditch Handsome Jack like that, granted my Rhys was more scared of Handsome Jack and just took an opportunity to become a company leader rather than become another Handsome Jack so the writing didn't bother me in that department.
Crushed with a smile in my face, thinking "so long, asshole, this is for Roland and Bloodwing".
Did not even flinch when i crushed him... He actually looked really pathetic i the end...
I kept him could be fun to put him into something harmless were all he could do was shout random one liners
I won, he lost again, end of story.
When it came down to it.. I destroyed him without hesitation.
Sad funeral song commences
Sooo, something I kinda just thought about. The AI said he was gonna put the robot body snatched into the body of Handsome Jack. Where is the body?
This is the only thing I really didn't like about that scene
Jack 'betraying' me by making the assumption that I'd be quite glad to have a robot skeleton shoved into my skeleton, then taking my justified "hell no" response as me backstabbing him, that's fine, but the fact that every option there is basically just "screw you Jack you're nuts" is disappointing. I mean, I'm not against every option there essentially being "uh, no", but I'm against every one being overly aggressive and confrontational, and having Rhys unnecessarily decide to pick a fight with Jack (or uncharacteristically, if you were pro-Jack up until then). There should have at least been one option that was more diplomatic, like "I kind of don't want that skeleton shoved into me, is there any-- you know, any other way for you to do this? Like uh--like, maybe you could just use a, I don't know, a janitor or something instead?" and have it go from there.
Well....there's always the silent treatment.
It was too fucking painful...
Well played, Telltale.
I suppose
But then there's the fact that Jack takes the silent treatment even worse than actually saying something to him, and calls you a shitbag
Well, he's coco for coco puffs.
Is there a way to sace him? Or does he die whether or nit you rule or reject hyperion?
This is my exact thought. Where is it? Was it on Helios? If it was, was it frozen or something? And if Hyperion had his body, why was no one else trying to clone him? I don't understand.![:\](https://community.telltale.com/resources/emoji/confused.png ":\")
It happens no matter what, from what I've been told.
His corpse on Pandora?
Yeah, the AI wanted to be back in his body, his real body. So, I just gotta wonder if his body was on Helios already or.... oh I just visualized nightmare fuel. O.o
Don't do it! Don't go down that thought path. Nothing good can come from thinking about Zombie AI Jack
Hmmm... wonder if he would get along with TK Baha....