Tough Love Thread (Spoilers!)

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  • aww, it got rid of all my paragraphing!

  • you gotta double enter man

    aww, it got rid of all my paragraphing!

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    But Rhys is interested in someone else.... (cough Fiona cough)

  • Lol nice. I love that video. :)

    When Athena said it was the biggest monster she's faced: enter link description here

  • I think the reason Rhys was looking for Fiona in the middle of nowhere because Loader Bot might've tricked him into beleiving that Fiona wanted to meet up with Atlas's new owner

    oh yeah, good point

  • Vaughn had enough abs for both of them

    Quiff posted: »

    Rhys' abs, where were they? Huge disappointment.

  • I liked the little plus symbols when it healed her because its like a reminder that it's still a video game universe (same with the glow effect on the loot you have in the Borderlands series that also appeared in TFTB). I thought it was pretty amusing.

    razen_wing posted: »

    The personal healing device thing bugs me a little too, because it's not a tech that was introduced in the main series as opposed to everyth

  • my game was stuttering throughout the whole game haha i just got used to it

    I actually had no problems with it, the only gameplay issues were if I did a QTE or chose an answer quickly sometimes, the characters would jump around. I guess I did it too quickly sometimes....

  • ahhh! didn't know you had to do that! here...

    you gotta double enter man

  • -AsherGrin--AsherGrin- Banned
    edited October 2015

    I, like most people, loved the episode, but things I disliked were:

    • Why was Finch the only villain we were able to extract revenge on? He was the one I had the least interest in killing, but was also the only one I could. I had Fiona say to Vallory in Episode 3, "I'm going to kill you." Doesn't happen. When Kroger shot Loader Bot on Helios, I was like, "You're going to die for that." Doesn't happen. And when Kroger was about to stab Fiona, I kept waiting for an option to come up, as Rhys, to like charge him or something. Doesn't happen. I also was hoping for more than one line with Yvette, as Rhys, since our conversation last episode was so electrifying. But, again, doesn't happen. Nit-picks, I know, but disappointing.

    • I found certain things very predictable. I knew Loader Bot would force us into that pod, and stay behind. And he does. I knew Sasha would jump out the caravan to use the detonator, and she does. Then she also survives, and makes a joke in the end, which I assumed and was waiting for that entire scene. I also knew instantly that little bandit the Stranger captured was Vaughn, and when he came at Rhys and Fiona with that knife, I was like "Oh quit your panicking. It's obviously Vaughn, and he's about to cut you loose." And he does. It was also a shame that, despite me always being friends with Jack, siding with him, and choosing to rule Hyperion, we become full-out enemies like five minutes in regardless. And because of my choice to rule Hyperion, I get on more bad terms with Fiona and Sasha, and have nothing to show for it. Might as well rejected.

    • The final scene where they disappear kinda sucks. I'd have much rather if they opened the chest, stared at each other like "Wow" and then it ended. A more satisfying and still open-ended cliffhanger, that would have been, I feel.

    Anyway, those admittedly nit-picky things are the only problems I have with it, in the end. Other than that, I loved it. :)

  • Right there with you

    Sorry to throw shipping into this, but whoever you chose in the end, whether it was Sasha or Fiona, there should have been a [Kiss] option.

  • No real complaints except I wish you could kiss Sasha or Fiona as Rhys, I wish they kept Zer0's voice from episode 1, and I wish the game wouldn't have froze up every 10 seconds during the end fight. Besides that I loved it and thought it was great. Also not sure how I feel about the ending. It was great in the sense that it is a cliffhanger for a possible season 2, but if there isn't a season 2 then I'm just gonna think it was bad because we don't know what happened to Rhys and Fiona after that ending where they vanish.

  • Sorry to throw shipping into this, but whoever you chose in the end, whether it was Sasha or Fiona, there should have been a [Kiss] option.

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    Guess that would have been too perfect

    Sorry to throw shipping into this, but whoever you chose in the end, whether it was Sasha or Fiona, there should have been a [Kiss] option.

  • Even if there won't be a season 2 (which I pray to God there will be), there is a chance that it may be explored in Borderlands 3, just a thought. But yeah I agree, to end a series like that really does seem like they're leading into a possible season 2, and if not, then that's a pretty shitty cliffhanger to leave us on, they just disappear after killing a vault monster, never to be heard from again.

    No real complaints except I wish you could kiss Sasha or Fiona as Rhys, I wish they kept Zer0's voice from episode 1, and I wish the game wo

  • Pretty disappointed in the explanation for Rhys and Fiona hating each other at the start of Zer0 Sum, but I guess that was just a side effect of a long development period.

  • -- Rule Hyperion was a wasted opportunity.

    -- The healing device was a complete ass-pull, though I was happy Sasha made it.

  • edited October 2015

    The Traveler seemed to be MUCH larger than the Warrior at least and it appeared to be indestructible, it might not have been as impressive when it came to powers but it probably would have been a bitch to fight. If this were an actual Borderlands game then maybe the Traveler would have more moves but it's not. Also, Power Rangers is pop culture goodness, it totally fits with Borderland's insane and wacky situations.

    One thing I thought could've been done so much better was the last bit with gortys. Here I was expecting this awesome scene of two giants ba

  • Actually, it IS tech that is available in Borderlands 2. Mostly it is Anshin technology, which specializes in healing/leeching from enemies.

    Was totally baffled by it until I saw the health symbols, then it clicked.

    SCR4P-TP posted: »

    I liked the little plus symbols when it healed her because its like a reminder that it's still a video game universe (same with the glow eff

  • I actually think the metal endoskeleton was a "gift" of some sorts to Rhys since Handsome Jack thinks Rhys is an obsessive Handsome Jack fanboy and would love to actually "be" Handsome Jack, so it's not Jack trying to kill him as much as Jack using Rhys for his own personal goals but making it sound like an awesome gift at least from my point of view.

    Plot-forcing an anti-Jack stance on Rhys no matter how pro-Jack you were before. I understand Jack was trying to kill him (for no practic

  • edited October 2015

    I loved the happy ending, I thought it fit perfectly fine with the series and the Borderland series as a whole. It's not Walking Dead or Wolf Among Us as those aren't exactly the kind of narratives that would leave off with a happy ending but it works perfectly fine here as this adventure was built from the ground up as a wacky, hilarious, fun ride that had its dark moments but in the end, everyone was okay. I mean, the Original Star Wars trilogy had TWO happy endings and they were awesome!

    Godwalker posted: »

    I found the ending to be quite disappointing. Don't get me wrong. I loved the series, but this final episode doesn't deserve the heaps of

  • Vallory was honestly kind of forgettable and just "there." Shame, I was interested in her character.

  • I agree with this interpretation, but it still could have been done better, and I mostly have a bone to pick with the way TT did Rhys' dialog in those scenes. I get they couldn't have made the whole plot different for pro-Jack players, but some different lines and reactions wouldn't have been hard to implement.

    J-Master posted: »

    I actually think the metal endoskeleton was a "gift" of some sorts to Rhys since Handsome Jack thinks Rhys is an obsessive Handsome Jack fan

  • one was wearing a Hyperion outfit. It could still explain how one of them survived though.

    Zechs posted: »

    During the song scene. You can see two more escape pods detach from Helios that crash into each other and go a bit haywire, but they don't seem to be destroyed if I remember correctly. Maybe this is Loader bot and Kroger?

  • edited October 2015

    The franchise has always had Bittersweet Endings. It needs a happy one once in a while. And besides, does everything that comes out of the media these days need to be more dark than a black cat in a coal cellar?

    J-Master posted: »

    I loved the happy ending, I thought it fit perfectly fine with the series and the Borderland series as a whole. It's not Walking Dead or Wol

  • But it wasn't though. I thought it would be a shield that savde her, but that's not how the shields work at all.

    TonyFedora posted: »

    Actually, it IS tech that is available in Borderlands 2. Mostly it is Anshin technology, which specializes in healing/leeching from enemies. Was totally baffled by it until I saw the health symbols, then it clicked.

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator

    Finch and Kroger dying

    But at least we got to shoot Finch again (and possibly twice at that), and make Kroger get smacked in the head with something to continue his streak of getting smacked in the face with various objects

  • edited October 2015

    Except it didn't act like a shield, and second-winds aren't canon.

    i don't think it is hard to imagine that there are healing devices made on pandora, it's like a second wind machine or something, you would

  • DeltinoDeltino Moderator
    edited October 2015

    The Traveler's weakness probably comes from the fact that a Vault monster just doesn't translate too easily into a Telltale-style game. To be frank, it's too much a gameplay-oriented concept to really work that well, at least in my opinion. If it worked anything like the average Vault monster does in the game, I have this sinking feeling the the fight sequence would have ended up dragging on and felt too drawn out, or would end up being a bit boring and/or annoying. I mean, the Sentinel was awesome to fight against in TPS, sure, but I couldn't imagine it being anywhere near as cool as that if it was in Tales, mainly due to the lack of gameplay elements to work with to make an engaging boss fight in the first place. I think they did what they could to make a Vault monster work in this kind of game, even if that meant that it had to be nerfed a fair amount, especially in comparison to all the other monsters in the BL series so far.

    One thing I thought could've been done so much better was the last bit with gortys. Here I was expecting this awesome scene of two giants ba

  • edited October 2015

    i didn't say it was either, i said it was like them and specifically i said:

    "i don't think it is hard to imagine that there are healing devices made on pandora"

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    Except it didn't act like a shield, and second-winds aren't canon.

  • Personally I thought the Sentinel was a joke, and the "Invincible" Sentinel even more so, at least on normal mode. Honestly, in comparison the Traveler took more effort, since I had to actually pay attention to the prompts, while I just bunny-hopped around the Sentinel taking pot-shots at his face with Rhys' ten-levels-obsolete shotgun.

    Though to be fair, it might just have been Timothy and his OP digi-Jacks, and it is a pretty good shotgun.

    (Aaaaand thinking of digi-Jacks made me sad again. Crap.)

    Deltino posted: »

    The Traveler's weakness probably comes from the fact that a Vault monster just doesn't translate too easily into a Telltale-style game. To b

  • I thought this was a fantastic final and pretty much had everything I wanted. Although a few things could've been more expanded on/fleshed out.

    The Jack sub-plot was wrapped up rather quickly, as was Vallory. I wanted more of a fight to get rid of those two :')

  • Fair enough, sorry I misread your comment. It is still pretty plot-devicey though (divicey is totally a word), as that specific kind of healing has never been mentioned in the past of the series.

    i didn't say it was either, i said it was like them and specifically i said: "i don't think it is hard to imagine that there are healing devices made on pandora"

  • edited October 2015

    sure, i get what you mean, but it could just be some super rare/expensive technology, or even a one of a kind piece of tech kept secret.

    i could totally imagine some item in the normal borderlands game that healed you when your health got to low, and had a really long cooldown or something, and it wouldn't even seem that rare or important of an item, it may just seem more plot devicey because in tales they didn't even have basic shields or have any healing things with them at all for some reason.

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    Fair enough, sorry I misread your comment. It is still pretty plot-devicey though (divicey is totally a word), as that specific kind of healing has never been mentioned in the past of the series.

  • I can try and answer some of your questions you have.

    Rhys more than likely didn't get the facility back to form by himself, since he owns Atlus, I'm sure he could either pay to get some workers or there may have been some bots around.

    If you mean when Loader Bot is captured by Vaughn and crew, I believe it's simply because he didn't want to harm his friends. After he heard the whole truth, any malice he held towards them was gone so he willingly went along since he now knew the whys.

    As far as the general, honestly idk. I'm going to assume he's dead though since (from what I remember) they didn't reseal his cryo bed, the shock alone from it being reopened improperly probably killed him already, but I'm betting either skags/psychos/raks got to his body by now.

    And I've got nothing else for the other questions unfortunately, hope it helped some!

  • Yeah, good point. I just wish they had gone another route or (better yet) avoided the ridiculous heroic sacrifice thing in the first place. Seriously, Scooter, Loaderbot (twice), Gortys and Sasha all playing the same card in a two episode span irritated the heck out of me.

    sure, i get what you mean, but it could just be some super rare/expensive technology, or even a one of a kind piece of tech kept secret.

  • yeah, actually i agree with that, like, i forgive telltale because she didn't actually die in the ridiculous "heroic" sacrifice, but i was rolling my eyes when it happened, and i still don't know how she actually got close to the bomb

    AdamGoodtme posted: »

    Yeah, good point. I just wish they had gone another route or (better yet) avoided the ridiculous heroic sacrifice thing in the first place.

  • Yeah the whole thing felt pretty forced.

    yeah, actually i agree with that, like, i forgive telltale because she didn't actually die in the ridiculous "heroic" sacrifice, but i was rolling my eyes when it happened, and i still don't know how she actually got close to the bomb

  • This is exactly how I feel. I played the whole game siding with Jack, and keyed up to see the consequences of making a deal with the devil. The fact that those consiquences are...exactly the same as the ones if you side against him, and worse don't make any sense for a pro-jack Rhys really killed the whole episode for me, because it made everything else make no sense. Rhys and Jack will instantly turn on eachother despite all the interesting build up around their partnership, Present Rhys is still friendly with the sisters, and he never mentions Jack again. I was expecting, from where the narrative seemed to be heading, a showdown between Rhys and Fiona if you were proJack, or Fiona and Rhys vs Jack if you were against him, but we got neither of all those things, the whole plotline seemed to just be railroaded in one direction and then forgotten about. I just feel really let down. What was the point of letting you direct the narrative in two opposing directions if you were just going to be forced onto one of them in the end?

    Plot-forcing an anti-Jack stance on Rhys no matter how pro-Jack you were before. I understand Jack was trying to kill him (for no practic

  • edited October 2015

    Yeah, that's a rough spot that I didn't entirely like either with Rhy's 180 as the thing with Telltale is that it feels like you have to make a set number of choices in order for some story beats and character motivations to make some kind of sense. The intro didn't bother me as much as it did to you as I played my Rhys as someone who was more SCARED of Jack but had some of respect towards him as an ally but was also someone who came to respect Pandora by that end and just wanted to "fix" it in a positive manner, it could have been done better but it didn't kill the episode for me.

    I agree with this interpretation, but it still could have been done better, and I mostly have a bone to pick with the way TT did Rhys' dialo

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