Mira Plot Holes and other stuff...
I highly doubt this opinion is going to be popular, so please throw in a match so I can cook my s'mores faster if you so desire.
So, let's start with the elephant in the room. Tom's beneficiary, who is still a mystery. We know now that Morgryn tried to kill us, but someone wanted us alive - for a limited time evidently - and then didn't come to our aide when we needed it most. I mean... so many opportunities could have been used to get Mira off that chopping block: trial by combat (beneficiary appears! ...or not), just sneak her out if they really cared, or any other way to get her out of prison. Seriously, who did Tom work for? (Or did I just miss something important?)
Morgryn... Morgryn, Morgryn. I find it a bit difficult to believe he would be so entirely stupid to reveal he had sent that guard to kill Mira. He wants the Ironwood, right? So why bother telling her at all when he ends up proposing anyway, after she's stuck in the cell that is... Wouldn't it be so much more beneficial to him not to say a word about it? Especially if your Mira runs up to him after that guard is chasing after her and gives the, "It's so lovely to see you," line. Is he just that mad about the earlier contract he lost? And Mira can say it herself as well, that they could make good allies before his comic villain style reveal. I just thought he was more cunning than that. If coal boy still dies in her place then who's going to go snooping to find out who tried to kill her anyway? Coal boy is her only ally. Get rid of him, don't say a word about the dead guard, propose to get a much more likely "yes" on Mira's part; and then you got everything you ever wanted. (Stupid villain)
..this may have divulged into a rant about Morgryn's character being destroyed in my eyes. Oh well.
So, why do you guys think? Any other plot holes/mishaps you want to point out?
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Well It doesn't matter if you have the ironwood contract or not either. Pretty much the lannisters were the main focus for the first 5 episodes and then they dissapeared.
and there also is apparently no justice system at Kings Landing for even the noblemen/women. and I think it's funny that telltale expected us (I did though) to kill Damien like this isn't GoT. If you choose not to kill him, and you throw the knife in the garden.. How are you at all linked to their murder? Because Morgryn says we are?
Yes, i agree there are some plot holes. In the end, I still really enjoyed Mira's perspective. The only thing that REALLY bugs me is that she is determinant and we most likely wont be seeing more of her in season 2. As for the whole Morgryn thing, It would have been much easier for him to not reveal that he was the villain this whole time, but i guess it was just in his character that he couldn't wait and needed to rub it in Mira's face. Stupid mistake on his part.
You're forgetting the guard who was the last person to see Damien alive walking away with Mira in the garden.
Lucan the bastard! I was going to go to my room like he told me too, but Damien had to stop him...
But I guess evidence means nothing in kings landing.
I would hardly call those "plotholes".
Morgryn looks smart, but it looks like he is actually really stupid.
Mogryn went down the same signature Telltale villain drain that Carver from The Walking Dead season 2 did. Both started out as interesting, well written villains, but towards the end are made into typical, evil speech giving, moustache twirling bad guys with no redeeming qualities. They can't seem to resist clearly labeling the bad guys as such. I don't know why they do that. Having antagonists with actual shades of grey would be SO much more interesting. Mogryn's gloating to Mira was just stupid as fuck. He had every opportunity of securing the marriage he desired, with her being none the wiser, had he just bited his tongue and appeared to be the hero in Mira's eyes. I guess Telltale decided to sacrifice his character for the sake of giving us a hard choice- to marry Ramsay and Littlefinger's secret bastard child, or die. Though they could have easily presented the choice to sacrifice Tom or die, which would have been weighty enough, and saved Mogryn's reveal for later. But what's done is done.
I didn't expect Morgryn to just reveal everything by himself, out of nowhere. I imagined we would find out by ourselves and then confront him about it. Oh well...
Morgryn didn't intend to propose from the start. It is an afterthought, as he says himself. The confrontation in the carriage made him think about how valuable Mira's claim was. Even so, he could have been less cruel in the cell, after he decided to marry her, instead of straight-up telling Mira she would be his prisoner. That would probably make it easier for her to accept marrying him. I suppose he just thought that there was no way she could refuse, so he just didn't bother to hide his true colors. Classic mistake that villains with an ego too big for their own good make all the time.
About his reveal inside the carriage, he just wanted to gloat. He wanted Mira to know she crossed him and that she was going to suffer for that. He needed that to heal his wounded ego.
But the true reason why Morgryn did all of that? TellTale wanted us to have a good reason to kill a main character. Imagine how much easier would have been to accept his proposal if he just came to us with his honeyed words and amazing eyebrow game. True, I accepted it anyway (sorry Tom, love you, but Mira's life first), but I'm sure the percentage of people who accepted it would have been MUCH higher if Morgryn hid his game for the whole episode (although this would have been much more interesting, IMO).
Honestly, his lack of foresight and his huge ego will come back to bite him in the ass. True, Mira is his prisoner and she is going to be stuck in a marriage with a man she loathes. However, Morgryn is going to be stuck in a marriage with a woman who loathes him, a woman who will murder him if she gets half the chance. He won't be able to ever lower his guard, because he needs her alive (at least until she gives him some heirs), while she needs him dead. I gave this a lot of thought last night, and to me, turns out that his situation is not THAT good either (there is no denying that Mira's situation is absolutely horrible, of course).
Yeah, they should have had another option for those that didn't kill the guard, otherwise the justice system in Westeros just looks horrible. Which isn't always the case. I mean, it pretty terrible, but if you're clever you could get out alive and Mira was clever.
They had to reveal it somehow with morgryn thats the issue, in the show/books it would be revealed through other characters, but we only play mira so thats the only way to do it. Also I guess you could say he was done with mira at that point and that she convinces him shes still useful with whatever she says in the litter.
That certainly would have been made into a tougher choice, considering how many people killed Mira to not have Tom executed, to spite the villian, etc. You could either marry him and watch your "true" and only friend in King's Landing die or save him by stepping up yourself and not marry the interesting/cunning villian (who, maybe with that ending could have revealed himself just before she gets sent to the chopping block. Like a, "Haha, got you," moment.)
Not to mention Morgryn and Mira could have continued their delicious banter dance in the next season. I'm sort of hoping it'll continue anyway. Our choices got to mean something even if the character can die.
This is my main problem with all of it. I absolutely love to interact with Morgryn. I would have married him any day just to keep interacting with him. I would sacrifice any character. And if there was a choice to kill him or to try to run away, I wouldn't take it because I just love interacting with him so much.
I have no hopes we will get any more of it, however, with Mira being determinant.
Ah, missed opportunities. If you marry him you could totally sneak around and find a piece of burned paper asking the guard to kill Mira or something else incriminating.
Someone needs to tell Morgryn this is the Game of Thrones, you win or you die. Keep your ego out of it or you're going to lose this game and be a rolling head yourself.
But really, it would have been a lot more interesting if he didn't end up being such a black villian. He kept his intentions hidden and certainly flirted with my Mira from time to time (so MUCH eyebrow game. Morgryn has that down if nothing else) in the game. Made me think he was considering marriage to seal the Ironwood deal and considering how you play Mira it can definitely look like she's interested. If only Morgryn had some grey in him..
I don't really get why in the heavens we even play as Mira for 5 episodes. Asking for Margaery's help means nothing, keeping the ironwood decree means nothing, vouching for Sera or giving her in means nothing. Ok, we assured Andros isn't able to send sellswords to Lord Whitehill, but they take Ironrath anyways. So Mira's whole POV, was one of the most interesting ones but turned out to be absolutely and solely NOTHING.
I think this is the perfect opportunity to introduce him as a playable character, so that we can see some grey in him. The books have antagonistic POVs, after all.
Besides, that would allow us to still have a King's Landing POV and to even have Mira around in the games she is alive.
Wanna talk about a plot hole?
Remember where Gared and Go escaped Castle Black and magically appear on the side of the wall with no explanation of how, since the Gate is most likely closed. They had no horses, pretty sure they didn't climb.
Does anyone have an explanation for how? Cause I don't
There's a secret passage in one of the other castles. But I can't remember all the details of that scene right now so they could have mentioned some other way around the gate. I'm pretty sure they mentioned some way around the gate; I just can't remember what it was.
That would be great if they fleshed Morgryn out some more that way. And then we would still get the banter, there's going to be a lot of it when they marry. (which sounds horrible, but it's all for the sake of banter! And puppies frolicking in fields of grass with kittens)
It could lead to hilarious situations.
"What do you mean both queens were arrested?! And MY WIFE had been dealing with BOTH of them in the past?!"
"Ironrath was BURNED TO THE GROUND?! But... But my seat..."
"So now the Imp not only murdered the king, but also his own father and then RAN AWAY. And Queen Cersei knows both me and my wife used to deal with him. And she is getting crazier. I need more wine"
Morgryn is going to fall on his face so hard. I hope it doesn't ruin his amazing face, though.
XD he's going to be screwed whether he marries Mira or not, but at least with Mira he has a claim to the Ironwood when her last elder brother dies. (The Forrester men are just dropping like flies)
Morgryn could totally flee the capital (crazy Cersei) to go and yell at the Whitehills for ruining his new home.
He would need to have Ryon killed too for him to have a claim through the marriage to Mira, and Ryon is with Besks now so I don't think that's happening.
And I don't think he would flee King's Landing. He would want to sell Ironwood to the crown, after all. And considering how big his ego seems to be, he might completely ignore any threats to his plans until it is too late.
That's right. I forgot about Ryon, poor thing. I wonder if the two brothers will see each other again. Well, in this case that they do die Morgryn will finally have his claim. He just needs to locate the little one.
That ego of his is going to get him killed. I can see it now, widowed celebrating Mira.
Nooo don't say that! I will be heartbroken if he is killed
I would rather keep bantering with him for many seasons to come. If we are given a choice, I'm certainly not killing him. I would rather have my Mira turn the tables around and having him depend on her in the end.
Mira, the Spider in the Shadows, manipulating Morgryn into doing what she wants.
He does hold power, which could help her if she manages to do something like that. But she'll need to stay alive, which could prove to be difficult. At least with this marriage Morgryn is more likely to protect her from harm. He didn't do a very good job of that in the last episode. (If I remember correctly he brushed Mira off him after she clung to him. The jerk!)
I still think he should have proposed in the litter, had a change of mind and put his ego in a box. Since the state of his heart is clearly up for debate.
What if: Mira actually married Morgryn? I mean...what if she didn't want to die at all...i'm sure she would do anything to not be chopped off.
Was that mentioned I can't find a source for it
Tom's employer actually makes sense to me.
It's clearly Varys. Varys wants to sow discord in the kingdom, especially amongst the Lannisters and Tyrells. By keeping Mira alive, it continues Mira's agreement with Tyrion which creates friction between Tyrion and Cersei and Margaery.
After Tyrion is arrested, Mira is ultimately useless to Varys and he largely abandones her. Tom still helps her on his own though cause he likes her.
But there's an unused voice file saying that Olenna is Tom's employer?