Asher had every right to kill Ludd or Gryff, I mean there the reason Rodrik is dead, what's worse is that she expects you to forgive them, "I know how you feel Asher" no you don't.
Yeah and submit to the Whitehill's and be treated like slaves? No thanks. Gwyn can't honestly expect Asher to put everything behind when Asher hasn't seen Rodrik for years and the time he finally does, Rodrik gets killed. In fact I think all the events with the end of Episode 5 and Episode 6 took place in the same day.
No she doesn't say for you to forgive them.
She says it has to be put behind. And she's right.
You honestly think Rodrik would want Asher to risk his entire family's lives and all the smallfolk+soldiers just so he could get a little revenge?
Be treated like slaves right, that's why Ludd married Gwyn to Asher. To enslave him.
And yes it's hard to put it behind, but Lords must do hard things. Gregor had to ship Asher off to the other side of the world, I'm sure he didn't like having to do that.
Yeah and submit to the Whitehill's and be treated like slaves? No thanks. Gwyn can't honestly expect Asher to put everything behind when Ash… moreer hasn't seen Rodrik for years and the time he finally does, Rodrik gets killed. In fact I think all the events with the end of Episode 5 and Episode 6 took place in the same day.
How did that help ? If she really wanted peace she could easily came to Ironrath to be their "prisoner", and don't tell me that's risky.She risked before when she met Rodrik and she knows that her father will not risk her life. A Whitehill is still a Whitehill.
Doesn't do shit? Are you serious? She warns Rodrik that her father and brother are coming with an army. And she gives an exact time of when they'll arrive.
It wasn't Ludd's idea for Gwyn and Asher to get married. It was Gwyn's idea. Yeah I get that Lord's have to make tough decisions, buts it not worth losing your dignity and rights just to keep peace. Either way it is a lose - lose situation.
Be treated like slaves right, that's why Ludd married Gwyn to Asher. To enslave him.
And yes it's hard to put it behind, but Lords must d… moreo hard things. Gregor had to ship Asher off to the other side of the world, I'm sure he didn't like having to do that.
Yeah, and Ludd still went through with it. Doesn't matter if it's his idea, he still was willing to do it.
And I bet Gregor lost tons of dignity having to send his son away to keep peace.
It's not worth losing your house and everyone's lives just for your position. Heck, Ludd wasn't even that much of a prick- he didn't make Asher kiss his ring first or do anything like he did with Rodrik. Yeah he was a cunt vocally, but he always is, and he didn't do anything bad until Asher does something first. Despite his douchebaggery, Ludd has some honour, and he wouldn't just drag the Forresters through the muck unnecessarily, that's what Gryff would do.
He even doesn't break guest right with the Forresters. His men ONLY attack if Rodrik attacks first.
It wasn't Ludd's idea for Gwyn and Asher to get married. It was Gwyn's idea. Yeah I get that Lord's have to make tough decisions, buts it not worth losing your dignity and rights just to keep peace. Either way it is a lose - lose situation.
Ludd agreed because he probably wanted Asher and Gwyn to produce a heir, like Asher said " The moment Gwyn and I produce a Heir, Ludd will slit my throat right then and there." Or something similar to that
Gregor sent Asher to away to prevent war, I don't see how that equals him losing his dignity.
Ludd has honor? That's not true because on Rodrik's side of Episode 6, Ludd had Asher's head on a pike and made Ryon raise it up, I don't care if it's war, if ludd had honor he would have sent Asher's corpse back to Ironrath untouched.
Yeah, and Ludd still went through with it. Doesn't matter if it's his idea, he still was willing to do it.
And I bet Gregor lost tons of … moredignity having to send his son away to keep peace.
It's not worth losing your house and everyone's lives just for your position. Heck, Ludd wasn't even that much of a prick- he didn't make Asher kiss his ring first or do anything like he did with Rodrik. Yeah he was a cunt vocally, but he always is, and he didn't do anything bad until Asher does something first. Despite his douchebaggery, Ludd has some honour, and he wouldn't just drag the Forresters through the muck unnecessarily, that's what Gryff would do.
He even doesn't break guest right with the Forresters. His men ONLY attack if Rodrik attacks first.
Okay first of all- you honestly think Ludd would do something as awful as murdering his daughter's husband? He'd want a Whitehill on the seat of Ironrath, but he already has Gwyn there whispering into Asher's ear, and it's not like there'd be anything worth killing Asher. It could also be dangerous for Ludd, he could get killed in a battle.
That's him losing dignity, because he'd willingly bend to Ludd's wishes, who no doubt demanded Asher be sent away. Him keeping dignity would be choosing war over cowing to Ludd's demands.
Ludd has some honour, quote me correctly next time. Anyway, Rodrik's playthrough means the war is still going on, and there could be reasons for the treatment of Asher. It could be because Rodrik maimed Gryff when technically speaking, Gryff did not maim Rodrik, and Gryff and Ludd want payback. It could also be because they remembered him as the bastard who tried to seduce their Lord's only daughter, and also because to them, he bought slaves. Even Ludd defends himself by saying Asher was the one who brought slaves to fight for him (news of Meereen's freedom travels slowly). While it was not honourable to have Asher's head on a spike, I can see why they did it, though I don't agree with it. That is why I said SOME HONOUR. Rodrik can also have dishonourable moments by brutally beating Gryff when he has him held by two other soldiers, or telling Elaena she has no choice in marrying him. Ludd has some decency, it's not much, but he has some. I will definitely say he's a scummy person, but he's no Walder Frey or Ramsay Bolton.
LOL Ludd's men attacking first. That's because Ramsay said it was war AFTER Rodrik came home from peace negotiations at Highpoint. Irrelevant point, it was war and therefore the harbour ambush was part of the war and not a breaking of guest right.
Ludd agreed because he probably wanted Asher and Gwyn to produce a heir, like Asher said " The moment Gwyn and I produce a Heir, Ludd will s… morelit my throat right then and there." Or something similar to that
* Gregor sent Asher to away to prevent war, I don't see how that equals him losing his dignity.
* Ludd has honor? That's not true because on Rodrik's side of Episode 6, Ludd had Asher's head on a pike and made Ryon raise it up, I don't care if it's war, if ludd had honor he would have sent Asher's corpse back to Ironrath untouched.
* Ludd' s men attacked first at the harbor dock
I didn't like her. She says she wants to make peace which is all fine and dandy but she doesn't want to even remotely comprimise or recognize that her entire family is acting like a bunch of bullies with no honor. She basically wants you to let her family treat you like complete and utter trash day in and day out and just accept it.
how is she supposed to run away from highpoint pass thought Ludd s army with only a single knife without being seen and getting into the forrester s gate convince them to do her plan
How did that help ? If she really wanted peace she could easily came to Ironrath to be their "prisoner", and don't tell me that's risky.She … morerisked before when she met Rodrik and she knows that her father will not risk her life. A Whitehill is still a Whitehill.
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No she doesn't say for you to forgive them.
She says it has to be put behind. And she's right.
You honestly think Rodrik would want Asher to risk his entire family's lives and all the smallfolk+soldiers just so he could get a little revenge?
Yeah and submit to the Whitehill's and be treated like slaves? No thanks. Gwyn can't honestly expect Asher to put everything behind when Asher hasn't seen Rodrik for years and the time he finally does, Rodrik gets killed. In fact I think all the events with the end of Episode 5 and Episode 6 took place in the same day.
Be treated like slaves right, that's why Ludd married Gwyn to Asher. To enslave him.
And yes it's hard to put it behind, but Lords must do hard things. Gregor had to ship Asher off to the other side of the world, I'm sure he didn't like having to do that.
How did that help ? If she really wanted peace she could easily came to Ironrath to be their "prisoner", and don't tell me that's risky.She risked before when she met Rodrik and she knows that her father will not risk her life. A Whitehill is still a Whitehill.
It wasn't Ludd's idea for Gwyn and Asher to get married. It was Gwyn's idea. Yeah I get that Lord's have to make tough decisions, buts it not worth losing your dignity and rights just to keep peace. Either way it is a lose - lose situation.
Yeah, and Ludd still went through with it. Doesn't matter if it's his idea, he still was willing to do it.
And I bet Gregor lost tons of dignity having to send his son away to keep peace.
It's not worth losing your house and everyone's lives just for your position. Heck, Ludd wasn't even that much of a prick- he didn't make Asher kiss his ring first or do anything like he did with Rodrik. Yeah he was a cunt vocally, but he always is, and he didn't do anything bad until Asher does something first. Despite his douchebaggery, Ludd has some honour, and he wouldn't just drag the Forresters through the muck unnecessarily, that's what Gryff would do.
He even doesn't break guest right with the Forresters. His men ONLY attack if Rodrik attacks first.
Ludd agreed because he probably wanted Asher and Gwyn to produce a heir, like Asher said " The moment Gwyn and I produce a Heir, Ludd will slit my throat right then and there." Or something similar to that
Okay first of all- you honestly think Ludd would do something as awful as murdering his daughter's husband? He'd want a Whitehill on the seat of Ironrath, but he already has Gwyn there whispering into Asher's ear, and it's not like there'd be anything worth killing Asher. It could also be dangerous for Ludd, he could get killed in a battle.
That's him losing dignity, because he'd willingly bend to Ludd's wishes, who no doubt demanded Asher be sent away. Him keeping dignity would be choosing war over cowing to Ludd's demands.
Ludd has some honour, quote me correctly next time. Anyway, Rodrik's playthrough means the war is still going on, and there could be reasons for the treatment of Asher. It could be because Rodrik maimed Gryff when technically speaking, Gryff did not maim Rodrik, and Gryff and Ludd want payback. It could also be because they remembered him as the bastard who tried to seduce their Lord's only daughter, and also because to them, he bought slaves. Even Ludd defends himself by saying Asher was the one who brought slaves to fight for him (news of Meereen's freedom travels slowly). While it was not honourable to have Asher's head on a spike, I can see why they did it, though I don't agree with it. That is why I said SOME HONOUR. Rodrik can also have dishonourable moments by brutally beating Gryff when he has him held by two other soldiers, or telling Elaena she has no choice in marrying him. Ludd has some decency, it's not much, but he has some. I will definitely say he's a scummy person, but he's no Walder Frey or Ramsay Bolton.
LOL Ludd's men attacking first. That's because Ramsay said it was war AFTER Rodrik came home from peace negotiations at Highpoint. Irrelevant point, it was war and therefore the harbour ambush was part of the war and not a breaking of guest right.
I didn't like her. She says she wants to make peace which is all fine and dandy but she doesn't want to even remotely comprimise or recognize that her entire family is acting like a bunch of bullies with no honor. She basically wants you to let her family treat you like complete and utter trash day in and day out and just accept it.
how is she supposed to run away from highpoint pass thought Ludd s army with only a single knife without being seen and getting into the forrester s gate convince them to do her plan
Mate your hysterical.
She seemed helpful at first, but she didn't seem to understand how unreasonable Ludd was, and acted like it was all your fault by the final episode.