1- Benioff's interpretations is valid of course, as valid as mine or yours. I agree with you there, knowing Brienne, killing would not be that easy, your mistake though, is to completely overrate that difficulty, but hey I get the idea, you at least admit that it would only make a difference if allied to other factors. We really agree here.
4- I see, and agree with you, he was not what she expected he would be, still, you totally overrate the impact of it.
4.1- Now this one is your worst argument on the post. The angle of the sword when she was about to hit. I am pretty sure that Jon did not "miss" if you can get the idea. Again you should not be comparing, that really can mess things up you know? Considering some facts are similar, but some are too different. As I stated before I woul love to see him coming back and making things even more interesting, but that really would not be the GOT style, so, Great Brienne yelling and the sword going down as the scene changes, is my best evidence that Stannis is done for sure. Funny how this works right? I know that for you, that is evidence that he could still be out there.
4.2- Agreed.
4.3- No, I think that only a few things could stop that sword at that point, and Podrick yelling is not one of those things.
4.4- I rather the theory that she is really ancient and powerful, as she once told Stannis himself: "I have seen too many battles." Look, we agree here about Brienne only blaming Stannis, and that in the final, only HE did it, I am only saying that she is not that dumb, of course she suspects about Mel and Davos, but it is done, she had her vengeance, what triggers our discussion is that on your perception she seemed "bitter" at Castel Black, but in mine what she performed was a normal behavior, considering they still a trheat on her eyes, except now a threat for Sansa and not Renly.
4.5- Agreed. She is not concerned about it, I already told you, if she were concerned about it, she would have killed them already. "She would have no idea how" Brienne is not a door mate, Mel is a sorcerer, who served Stannis, would that ring any bell? Anyway, there is no point in talking about it since we agreed that she they are now "even".
4.6- I do not know. Maybe because Davos was Stannis right hand?
4.7- She did to you? She did not to me, to me she was just telling them "better be careful around Sansa."
4.8- There was no need to be respectful, I already told you that she wanted the satisfaction, and that she was warning them.
4.9- As I stated before, I do not believe that she was "bitter" at them, also, I do not think that Brienne would do such a thing, she would have just finished the poor soul, as she did. (considering he was wounded).
4.10- No need to desagree here. I understand you and would also apreciate if the Show did not lack this much. And believe that you understand that as an adaptation, the Show is very good.
No need to end it soon mate, actually, you have showed me some good points here, it is all a bet in the end, we can only wait and see. I like the positive thoughts, I only find it really hard to happen due to the fact that you would need of all this stuff to be happening together.
Shit. This discussion is getting long. We should try to end it soon.
You have to notice that everything here is open to interpretation… mores, that one being Benioff's.
Well, Benioff's interpretation is still valid. She may have felt some difficulty in killing Stannis, but as I said earlier, it would not be enough to spare him on it's own. However, with other factors in play as well, I believe it may just be enough to make her leave him be.
he was exactly the same (sorry to break it up for you)
Sorry to break it to you, but I have stated before that I don't think he was significantly different in that scene compared to other times. That was never the point. The point was that Brienne finally saw what Stannis really is, which was not the monster she imagined.
she had already moved, remember? No yelling could stop that sword once it goes down.
As I mentioned in my original post, the angle of her swing was ve… [view original content]
The way I see it they killed off Stannis' storyline as soon as they had him burn Shireen. They hoped that everyone would turn on Stannis, like a lot of ppl did, and it would make it easier for them to get rid of Stannis' storyline.
And I mean I don't think they really respected the Stannis character enough. Or maybe it's not respect, as much as just simplifying the story. They highlighted Stannis as the religious tyrant in the show, and downplayed his actual beliefs and true strategic mind. I mean that speech he gave to Davos before they attacked Kings Landing... Man that's a true effin King right there.
But the show really wants to push this "end of patriarchy" idea down the viewers throats. And I don't really have a problem with it, but it definitely makes these guys look like worthless pieces of shit (Stannis, Euron, somewhat Doran and countless others that are either in the book or I can't remember). And these guys aren't just brutes with cocks and armies, they are humans that have learned about the world and want to impose their will. But the show wants ppl like Yara, Dany, Sansa, and Margery to be the leaders of men. I don't have a problem with it, but I am aware of the pandering.
So Stannis will always be in my heart. I feel bad because Euron will probably lose in the show, and Yara will just steal his idea to help Dany. And even Littlefinger will probably be seen as some dipshit that was only trying to manipulate Sansa instead of what he actually has been doing.
So yeah, pretty much don't get attached to the male characters that aren't Jon Snow. I got hope that Jaime will redeem himself, but who knows they might let Cerseis maniacal self continue living instead.
Now this one is your worst argument on the post. The angle of the sword when she was about to hit.
But it was weird! Just rewatch the scene yourself. Stannis is to the left of Brienne, and she swung her sword from her right to her left. She would then probably hit the tree and not him. If she wanted to hit him, she should have swung from er left to her right. That way, she would hit Stannis before the tree.
No, I think that only a few things could stop that sword at that point, and Podrick yelling is not one of those things.
If the angle was weird and she was likely to miss in the first place, someone yelling would make it more likely to miss.
what triggers our discussion is that on your perception she seemed "bitter" at Castel Black, but in mine what she performed was a normal behavior, considering they still a trheat on her eyes, except now a threat for Sansa and not Renly.
We interpret that scene very differently it seems. I did not at all get the impression that Brienne sees them as a threat to Sansa. She never mentioned Sansa, but she did mention Renly and his death, and I think it still seemed like it troubled her (more than before in fact), even if you didn't.
Maybe because Davos was Stannis right hand?
It still doesn't mean he was involved in everything Stannis did.
She did to you? She did not to me, to me she was just telling them "better be careful around Sansa."
Yes. Again, she brought up Renly's death, but never mentioned Sansa.
There was no need to be respectful, I already told you that she wanted the satisfaction, and that she was warning them.
If you killed a wounded, defenseless man, you would feel compelled to show a minimum of respect, (don't speak ill of the dead,) instead of showing the bitch face, boasting about it and calling him a self proclaimed kinslayer. Ser Davos was respectful himself, and showed concern for the man Brienne killed and his daughter. I think Brienne must still be extremely bitter if she in that situation decided to be disrespectful, just to get some satisfaction. I see no reason to give them a warning, they were not going to trouble anybody, they were just two anxious, humble and courteous people.
I do not believe that she was "bitter" at them, also, I do not think that Brienne would do such a thing, she would have just finished the poor soul, as she did. (considering he was wounded).
We really disagree about Brienne's bitterness. If she was in the same mood when she met Stannis, she would be a disrespectful bitch to him as well. She was a disrespectful bitch to that asshole in E10 S2 who gave a slow death to a woman who "lay with lions". She did not just quickly finish that guy, even though he was wounded.
Show is very good.
I like the surprises and the excitement in the action scenes, but there are still huge parts of the plot that does not make sense, and some really boring scenes, like when the High Sparrow holds his speeches and when Arya washes dead bodies.
1- Nothing wrong with the angle as I see it, it can seen wrong to you, but ok, I will respect that. What I really meant on this entire discussion is that, your arguments for Stannis being alive are not only weak but would only work together. So yeah, I think that the rest of the current Season (Six) will speak by itself.
4- "More likely to miss/ maybe/in the odd chance...ehh..." Do you get it? Read the section number 1 of this comment again. But yeah, it appears we just see things in a different way, you are too hopeful though.
4.1- She would not have to talk about Sansa to mean that. You have to open your mind mate, interpretate it, in this very episode she talks with Sansa about not trusting them around her. Then for you a character only means exactly what he spells? Do not make me disappointed on you.
4.2- Never said he was involved, only that he was there, that he knew about it, which is obvious to her. But that does not add anything to our discussion, since we agreed that her business were with Stannis.
4.3- Again, she would not have to mention.
4.4- Is not that they are going to trouble someone, is only that she does not trust them and now they are "on the same team". Of course Davos was respectful mate, Stannis was HIS leader.
4.5- Again you are comparing... Problem here is that you COUNT that "bitterness" as a determinant factor when the character behaved as most people presumed she would.
4.6- Alright, forget about what I said in the section 4.1 of this comment, I am OFFICIALY disappointed on you. Hahahahah just kidding mate. But here I realize how different we see the Show, considering how I love those speeches and the dead-bodies-washing conversations. That is the beauty of it, I guess, different views and all.
4.7- I see. We have different perceptions, that is all, no more to add, the Show will continue with or without him, and I think he is dead for sure with not a single strong evidence that he may be alive. So, to me, it is without him.
Now this one is your worst argument on the post. The angle of the sword when she was about to hit.
But it was weird! Just rewatch th… moree scene yourself. Stannis is to the left of Brienne, and she swung her sword from her right to her left. She would then probably hit the tree and not him. If she wanted to hit him, she should have swung from er left to her right. That way, she would hit Stannis before the tree.
No, I think that only a few things could stop that sword at that point, and Podrick yelling is not one of those things.
If the angle was weird and she was likely to miss in the first place, someone yelling would make it more likely to miss.
what triggers our discussion is that on your perception she seemed "bitter" at Castel Black, but in mine what she performed was a normal behavior, considering they still a trheat on her eyes, except now a threat for Sansa and not Renly.
We interpret that scene very di… [view original content]
I have to agree that the females have really taken strong roles in seasons 5 and 6. Not that there weren't always strong female characters in GoT, but it does seem to be kinda of a theme now. Mostly it has however been done very well - only place where it has bothered me has been Dorne, and well, it's quite clear at this point that even the showrunners themselves don't really care for it.
Sansa went through another season of hardships last year, when some hoped she would have risen to a more powerful role. Personally I'm pretty satisfied with how they did it. Season 5 Sansa went through shit, but she still wasn't the naive girl from season 1, or 2 and 3 for that matter. And now she is pure steel - and it's justified, she hasn't just suddenly transformed, she has gone through a long development.
Cersei has always been one to grasp for power, and in season 5 she was finally really given the chance. However, loyally to the books, she failed as she just didn't have the chops for it. So again, we had a strong female character, but she wasn't immune to failing or being outwitted. This season we have had surprisingly small amount of Cersei, but I assume we'll get more of her madness soon.
And Daenerys is her own beast. Tbh, in her case it's not that relevant to look at her as a female. She is a Dragon Queen, and she hasn't since season 1 really had problems with being accepted as a woman that leads - save for the couple episodes this season where the Dothraki underestimated her.
Many of the male characters have been defeated not because they are male, but because they are the old generation of Westeros and one of the things this whole story is doing is killing off the old and bringing up the youth. Jon and Sansa have risen to be the head of the Starks, filling the shoes of Ned (admittedly, those shoes were filled by Robb for a while). Ramsay has pushed his father aside, Smalljon leads the Umbers, Harald Karstark is also new generation. Dany has always been the new generation of the Targaryens. The Lannister children (well, Cersei and Jaime at least) are trying to take the role of Tywin. Mace is not dead, but Margaery (along with Olenna) is the true face of the Tyrells. The whole Robert's Rebellion era of people have slowly been chipped away. Interestingly the new generation is full of females that are grasping for power.
The way I see it they killed off Stannis' storyline as soon as they had him burn Shireen. They hoped that everyone would turn on Stannis, li… moreke a lot of ppl did, and it would make it easier for them to get rid of Stannis' storyline.
And I mean I don't think they really respected the Stannis character enough. Or maybe it's not respect, as much as just simplifying the story. They highlighted Stannis as the religious tyrant in the show, and downplayed his actual beliefs and true strategic mind. I mean that speech he gave to Davos before they attacked Kings Landing... Man that's a true effin King right there.
But the show really wants to push this "end of patriarchy" idea down the viewers throats. And I don't really have a problem with it, but it definitely makes these guys look like worthless pieces of shit (Stannis, Euron, somewhat Doran and countless others that are either in the book or I can't remember). And these guys aren't just brute… [view original content]
Yeah it's not so much about men being pushed aside for women, but more about the old going out and the new coming in.
And Patriarchy is one of the oldest ideas in history. So it turns into a theme just because it has actual historical significance.
But I can't help feeling like some good stuff may have been lost in the mesh of the theme. I mean it sounds like Doran was a badass. Sounds like Victorion Greyjoy was a badass. And it sounds like book Stannis is a bit more complex then his show counterpart. As much as I respect what they are doing on the show, it definitely makes me want to read the books and see some more intricate story telling of the whole "out with the old in with the new"
I have to agree that the females have really taken strong roles in seasons 5 and 6. Not that there weren't always strong female characters i… moren GoT, but it does seem to be kinda of a theme now. Mostly it has however been done very well - only place where it has bothered me has been Dorne, and well, it's quite clear at this point that even the showrunners themselves don't really care for it.
Sansa went through another season of hardships last year, when some hoped she would have risen to a more powerful role. Personally I'm pretty satisfied with how they did it. Season 5 Sansa went through shit, but she still wasn't the naive girl from season 1, or 2 and 3 for that matter. And now she is pure steel - and it's justified, she hasn't just suddenly transformed, she has gone through a long development.
Cersei has always been one to grasp for power, and in season 5 she was finally really given the chance. However, loyally to the books, she faile… [view original content]
Brienne wouldn't have missed nor would have left him breathing. It was a very happy moment in S5 for a lot of viewers myself included. Why ruin it for no good reason?
Even though I think Stannis is great and would be a great king for the Seven Kingdoms, he is dead on the TV show. D&D hate de character, Dilane already said he didn't like Game of Thrones. And, of course, there is the scene where Brienne killed him.
Answering why Brienne is still angry about it: She is a horrible person.
Answering why Brienne is still angry about it: She is a horrible person.
I hope the Boltons capture her again, that they actually get to rape her this time, and flay her to death when they are done. Then Davos can piss on her corpse and feed it to a bear.
Even though I think Stannis is great and would be a great king for the Seven Kingdoms, he is dead on the TV show. D&D hate de character,… more Dilane already said he didn't like Game of Thrones. And, of course, there is the scene where Brienne killed him.
Answering why Brienne is still angry about it: She is a horrible person.
Answering why Brienne is still angry about it: She is a horrible person.
I hope the Boltons capture her again, that they actually ge… moret to rape her this time, and flay her to death when they are done. Then Davos can piss on her corpse and feed it to a bear.
Brienne the kingslayer can burn in seven hells.
Hoping GRRM make a big change on Winds of Winter and let Stannis live, just to diverge even more from the TV show.
I actually hope the books and show continue to diverge as much as possible, since it would give us two very different experiences, and still surprise us, even if we have seen was happened in the other story. Also the books would probably continue to be a lot more consistent than the TV show, where D&D seem to take no shame in their plot holes.
LOL, that's a little too much, but yeah, she can burn in seven hells. Still can't believe Mannis is dead in the show...
Hoping GRRM make a big change on Winds of Winter and let Stannis live, just to diverge even more from the TV show.
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1- Benioff's interpretations is valid of course, as valid as mine or yours. I agree with you there, knowing Brienne, killing would not be that easy, your mistake though, is to completely overrate that difficulty, but hey I get the idea, you at least admit that it would only make a difference if allied to other factors. We really agree here.
4- I see, and agree with you, he was not what she expected he would be, still, you totally overrate the impact of it.
4.1- Now this one is your worst argument on the post. The angle of the sword when she was about to hit. I am pretty sure that Jon did not "miss" if you can get the idea. Again you should not be comparing, that really can mess things up you know? Considering some facts are similar, but some are too different. As I stated before I woul love to see him coming back and making things even more interesting, but that really would not be the GOT style, so, Great Brienne yelling and the sword going down as the scene changes, is my best evidence that Stannis is done for sure. Funny how this works right? I know that for you, that is evidence that he could still be out there.
4.2- Agreed.
4.3- No, I think that only a few things could stop that sword at that point, and Podrick yelling is not one of those things.
4.4- I rather the theory that she is really ancient and powerful, as she once told Stannis himself: "I have seen too many battles." Look, we agree here about Brienne only blaming Stannis, and that in the final, only HE did it, I am only saying that she is not that dumb, of course she suspects about Mel and Davos, but it is done, she had her vengeance, what triggers our discussion is that on your perception she seemed "bitter" at Castel Black, but in mine what she performed was a normal behavior, considering they still a trheat on her eyes, except now a threat for Sansa and not Renly.
4.5- Agreed. She is not concerned about it, I already told you, if she were concerned about it, she would have killed them already. "She would have no idea how" Brienne is not a door mate, Mel is a sorcerer, who served Stannis, would that ring any bell? Anyway, there is no point in talking about it since we agreed that she they are now "even".
4.6- I do not know. Maybe because Davos was Stannis right hand?
4.7- She did to you? She did not to me, to me she was just telling them "better be careful around Sansa."
4.8- There was no need to be respectful, I already told you that she wanted the satisfaction, and that she was warning them.
4.9- As I stated before, I do not believe that she was "bitter" at them, also, I do not think that Brienne would do such a thing, she would have just finished the poor soul, as she did. (considering he was wounded).
4.10- No need to desagree here. I understand you and would also apreciate if the Show did not lack this much. And believe that you understand that as an adaptation, the Show is very good.
No need to end it soon mate, actually, you have showed me some good points here, it is all a bet in the end, we can only wait and see. I like the positive thoughts, I only find it really hard to happen due to the fact that you would need of all this stuff to be happening together.
The way I see it they killed off Stannis' storyline as soon as they had him burn Shireen. They hoped that everyone would turn on Stannis, like a lot of ppl did, and it would make it easier for them to get rid of Stannis' storyline.
And I mean I don't think they really respected the Stannis character enough. Or maybe it's not respect, as much as just simplifying the story. They highlighted Stannis as the religious tyrant in the show, and downplayed his actual beliefs and true strategic mind. I mean that speech he gave to Davos before they attacked Kings Landing... Man that's a true effin King right there.
But the show really wants to push this "end of patriarchy" idea down the viewers throats. And I don't really have a problem with it, but it definitely makes these guys look like worthless pieces of shit (Stannis, Euron, somewhat Doran and countless others that are either in the book or I can't remember). And these guys aren't just brutes with cocks and armies, they are humans that have learned about the world and want to impose their will. But the show wants ppl like Yara, Dany, Sansa, and Margery to be the leaders of men. I don't have a problem with it, but I am aware of the pandering.
So Stannis will always be in my heart. I feel bad because Euron will probably lose in the show, and Yara will just steal his idea to help Dany. And even Littlefinger will probably be seen as some dipshit that was only trying to manipulate Sansa instead of what he actually has been doing.
So yeah, pretty much don't get attached to the male characters that aren't Jon Snow. I got hope that Jaime will redeem himself, but who knows they might let Cerseis maniacal self continue living instead.
But it was weird! Just rewatch the scene yourself. Stannis is to the left of Brienne, and she swung her sword from her right to her left. She would then probably hit the tree and not him. If she wanted to hit him, she should have swung from er left to her right. That way, she would hit Stannis before the tree.
If the angle was weird and she was likely to miss in the first place, someone yelling would make it more likely to miss.
We interpret that scene very differently it seems. I did not at all get the impression that Brienne sees them as a threat to Sansa. She never mentioned Sansa, but she did mention Renly and his death, and I think it still seemed like it troubled her (more than before in fact), even if you didn't.
It still doesn't mean he was involved in everything Stannis did.
Yes. Again, she brought up Renly's death, but never mentioned Sansa.
If you killed a wounded, defenseless man, you would feel compelled to show a minimum of respect, (don't speak ill of the dead,) instead of showing the bitch face, boasting about it and calling him a self proclaimed kinslayer. Ser Davos was respectful himself, and showed concern for the man Brienne killed and his daughter. I think Brienne must still be extremely bitter if she in that situation decided to be disrespectful, just to get some satisfaction. I see no reason to give them a warning, they were not going to trouble anybody, they were just two anxious, humble and courteous people.
We really disagree about Brienne's bitterness. If she was in the same mood when she met Stannis, she would be a disrespectful bitch to him as well. She was a disrespectful bitch to that asshole in E10 S2 who gave a slow death to a woman who "lay with lions". She did not just quickly finish that guy, even though he was wounded.
I like the surprises and the excitement in the action scenes, but there are still huge parts of the plot that does not make sense, and some really boring scenes, like when the High Sparrow holds his speeches and when Arya washes dead bodies.
I have to confess, I am getting tired of typing.
1- Nothing wrong with the angle as I see it, it can seen wrong to you, but ok, I will respect that. What I really meant on this entire discussion is that, your arguments for Stannis being alive are not only weak but would only work together. So yeah, I think that the rest of the current Season (Six) will speak by itself.
4- "More likely to miss/ maybe/in the odd chance...ehh..." Do you get it? Read the section number 1 of this comment again. But yeah, it appears we just see things in a different way, you are too hopeful though.
4.1- She would not have to talk about Sansa to mean that. You have to open your mind mate, interpretate it, in this very episode she talks with Sansa about not trusting them around her. Then for you a character only means exactly what he spells? Do not make me disappointed on you.
4.2- Never said he was involved, only that he was there, that he knew about it, which is obvious to her. But that does not add anything to our discussion, since we agreed that her business were with Stannis.
4.3- Again, she would not have to mention.
4.4- Is not that they are going to trouble someone, is only that she does not trust them and now they are "on the same team". Of course Davos was respectful mate, Stannis was HIS leader.
4.5- Again you are comparing... Problem here is that you COUNT that "bitterness" as a determinant factor when the character behaved as most people presumed she would.
4.6- Alright, forget about what I said in the section 4.1 of this comment, I am OFFICIALY disappointed on you. Hahahahah just kidding mate. But here I realize how different we see the Show, considering how I love those speeches and the dead-bodies-washing conversations. That is the beauty of it, I guess, different views and all.
4.7- I see. We have different perceptions, that is all, no more to add, the Show will continue with or without him, and I think he is dead for sure with not a single strong evidence that he may be alive. So, to me, it is without him.
I have to agree that the females have really taken strong roles in seasons 5 and 6. Not that there weren't always strong female characters in GoT, but it does seem to be kinda of a theme now. Mostly it has however been done very well - only place where it has bothered me has been Dorne, and well, it's quite clear at this point that even the showrunners themselves don't really care for it.
Sansa went through another season of hardships last year, when some hoped she would have risen to a more powerful role. Personally I'm pretty satisfied with how they did it. Season 5 Sansa went through shit, but she still wasn't the naive girl from season 1, or 2 and 3 for that matter. And now she is pure steel - and it's justified, she hasn't just suddenly transformed, she has gone through a long development.
Cersei has always been one to grasp for power, and in season 5 she was finally really given the chance. However, loyally to the books, she failed as she just didn't have the chops for it. So again, we had a strong female character, but she wasn't immune to failing or being outwitted. This season we have had surprisingly small amount of Cersei, but I assume we'll get more of her madness soon.
And Daenerys is her own beast. Tbh, in her case it's not that relevant to look at her as a female. She is a Dragon Queen, and she hasn't since season 1 really had problems with being accepted as a woman that leads - save for the couple episodes this season where the Dothraki underestimated her.
Many of the male characters have been defeated not because they are male, but because they are the old generation of Westeros and one of the things this whole story is doing is killing off the old and bringing up the youth. Jon and Sansa have risen to be the head of the Starks, filling the shoes of Ned (admittedly, those shoes were filled by Robb for a while). Ramsay has pushed his father aside, Smalljon leads the Umbers, Harald Karstark is also new generation. Dany has always been the new generation of the Targaryens. The Lannister children (well, Cersei and Jaime at least) are trying to take the role of Tywin. Mace is not dead, but Margaery (along with Olenna) is the true face of the Tyrells. The whole Robert's Rebellion era of people have slowly been chipped away. Interestingly the new generation is full of females that are grasping for power.
Indeed it will. Mate.
Indeed it will.
Yeah it's not so much about men being pushed aside for women, but more about the old going out and the new coming in.
And Patriarchy is one of the oldest ideas in history. So it turns into a theme just because it has actual historical significance.
But I can't help feeling like some good stuff may have been lost in the mesh of the theme. I mean it sounds like Doran was a badass. Sounds like Victorion Greyjoy was a badass. And it sounds like book Stannis is a bit more complex then his show counterpart. As much as I respect what they are doing on the show, it definitely makes me want to read the books and see some more intricate story telling of the whole "out with the old in with the new"
Brienne wouldn't have missed nor would have left him breathing. It was a very happy moment in S5 for a lot of viewers myself included. Why ruin it for no good reason?
Even though I think Stannis is great and would be a great king for the Seven Kingdoms, he is dead on the TV show. D&D hate de character, Dilane already said he didn't like Game of Thrones. And, of course, there is the scene where Brienne killed him.
Answering why Brienne is still angry about it: She is a horrible person.
I hope the Boltons capture her again, that they actually get to rape her this time, and flay her to death when they are done. Then Davos can piss on her corpse and feed it to a bear.
Brienne the kingslayer can burn in seven hells.
LOL, that's a little too much, but yeah, she can burn in seven hells. Still can't believe Mannis is dead in the show...
Hoping GRRM make a big change on Winds of Winter and let Stannis live, just to diverge even more from the TV show.
I actually hope the books and show continue to diverge as much as possible, since it would give us two very different experiences, and still surprise us, even if we have seen was happened in the other story. Also the books would probably continue to be a lot more consistent than the TV show, where D&D seem to take no shame in their plot holes.