Well I did save Rodrik in one of my walkthrus. I felt like an asshole for letting Asher die. And righfully so. As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
Well I did save Rodrik in one of my walkthrus. I felt like an asshole for letting Asher die. And righfully so. As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
Well Rodrik is a great brother, a good lord and a dangerous warrior. So yeah I like him and i'm more like him psychologically. (Serious minded, no nonsense, grim) instead of Asher's constant fun attitude. Look at their faces when Asher says "It's been a while i didn't kill any Whitehills." Who do you resemble more I Wonder?
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Save the little brother and let the Forrester/Whitehill love win the war.
It's funny that your name is for Rodrik. Even if you accept marriage they still go to war.
As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
Well, I left Rodrik behind, but I disagree. There are good reasons for either of them dying.
Rodrik was raised to be a lord - to lead the house, and everyone at Ironrath relies on him to do just that. He's also been a battlefield commander; it's well within his character to understand the brutal reality, wherein he must sacrifice a pawn (Asher) in order to defend the king (him).
Meanwhile, Asher was raised to just be a fighter - to do whatever it took to honor his house, as befitting of a second born son. We're even told of how loyal he was in defending his siblings, before anyone else (as was the case with Ethan). We also know he has no interest in being a lord, or ruling. Both of these make it very easy to understand how he - "Asher doesn't hesitate, he acts!" - would volunteer to stay behind, and why Rodrik, in his ruthless training and battlefield experience, not to mention his understanding of the fact he is the glue holding everything together, would allow it.
Both would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat for the other, no doubt, but speaking in-character, Asher would volunteer to do so first, it's just in his nature. He also has the least to lose.
It's hard to say. I mean Asher is funny and reckless whereas Rodrik is more stern. Rodrik is meant to be lord in my opinion whereas Asher dosen't want to be lord. If I had to choose, I'd say Rodrik.
Well Rodrik is a great brother, a good lord and a dangerous warrior. So yeah I like him and i'm more like him psychologically. (Serious mind… moreed, no nonsense, grim) instead of Asher's constant fun attitude. Look at their faces when Asher says "It's been a while i didn't kill any Whitehills." Who do you resemble more I Wonder?
The whole lord stuff sounds good for a TV series, or a book. When it's just a player it's you as Rodrik or Asher. Who you play as is irrelevant. What's relevant is which connections the survivor characters got. Asher is not just some expendable Young fool understanding Nothing. He's no pawn either. He's the current heir to the lordship of House Forrester. If Rodrik is the king Asher is the prince. I don't necessarily see why everyone except Rodrik should be just some other forrester cannon fodder. Yup Asher staying behind is more realistic. But realism is not the question.
As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
It's about what's right. And once again, not about what's smart.
Asher living and sueing for peace with the marriage alliance is the only right path.
We're talking about the right thing to do. Not the most realistic thing to do. Oh and outside of what's right, Asher has the same siblings, mother, a potential GF too. Plus he has the pit fighters to lead. So he has at least as much to lose as his bro. And they both know that. Unless you talk about the lordship but he cares not so that would be irrelevant to say.
Okay, here:
Rodrik was raised to be a lord - to lead the house, and everyone at Ironrath relies on him to do just that. He's also been a … morebattlefield commander; it's well within his character to understand the brutal reality, wherein he must sacrifice a pawn (Asher) in order to defend the king (him).
Meanwhile, Asher was raised to just be a fighter - to do whatever it took to honor his house, as befitting of a second born son. We're even told of how loyal he was in defending his siblings, before anyone else (as was the case with Ethan). We also know he has no interest in being a lord, or ruling. Both of these make it very easy to understand how he - "Asher doesn't hesitate, he acts!" - would volunteer to stay behind, and why Rodrik, in his ruthless training and battlefield experience, not to mention his understanding of the fact he is the glue holding everything together, would allow it.
Both would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat … [view original content]
The whole lord stuff sounds good for a TV series, or a book. When it's just a player it's you as Rodrik or Asher. Who you play as is irrelev… moreant. What's relevant is which connections the survivor characters got. Asher is not just some expendable Young fool understanding Nothing. He's no pawn either. He's the current heir to the lordship of House Forrester. If Rodrik is the king Asher is the prince. I don't necessarily see why everyone except Rodrik should be just some other forrester cannon fodder. Yup Asher staying behind is more realistic. But realism is not the question.
As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
It's about what's right. And once again, not about what's smart.
Asher living and sueing for peace with the marriage alliance is the only right path.
We're talking about the right thing to do. Not the most realistic thing to do. Oh and outside of what's … [view original content]
Well Rodrik is a great brother, a good lord and a dangerous warrior. So yeah I like him and i'm more like him psychologically. (Serious minded, no nonsense, grim) instead of Asher's constant fun attitude. Look at their faces when Asher says "It's been a while i didn't kill any Whitehills."
Well Rodrik is a great brother, a good lord and a dangerous warrior. So yeah I like him and i'm more like him psychologically. (Serious mind… moreed, no nonsense, grim) instead of Asher's constant fun attitude. Look at their faces when Asher says "It's been a while i didn't kill any Whitehills."
Morally wrong, yes, that's why my Asher's alive. But I still feel more like Rodrik, and after his sacrifice I like him more. I always like him more for some reason. But that doesn't stop me from doing the right thing in E5's end.
Rob Stark, the elder brother, wanted to be King. He wasn't good at it.
Jon Snow, the younger cousin, never wanted to be a Leader of Men yet now he's King of The North and is good at it.
Asher may not want it but he's what the people need. The Whitehills never feared Rodrik, however they greatly fear Asher as he's unpredictable and Gwyn loves him and he's a prodigy with great charisma. Asher can bring Peace or Destruction to them. That's scary. Rodrik can only bring Destruction. Must easier to deal with someone you can understand.
It's hard to say. I mean Asher is funny and reckless whereas Rodrik is more stern. Rodrik is meant to be lord in my opinion whereas Asher dosen't want to be lord. If I had to choose, I'd say Rodrik.
Rob Stark, the elder brother, wanted to be King. He wasn't good at it.
Jon Snow, the younger cousin, never wanted to be a Leader of Men y… moreet now he's King of The North and is good at it.
Asher may not want it but he's what the people need. The Whitehills never feared Rodrik, however they greatly fear Asher as he's unpredictable and Gwyn loves him and he's a prodigy with great charisma. Asher can bring Peace or Destruction to them. That's scary. Rodrik can only bring Destruction. Must easier to deal with someone you can understand.
Okay, here:
Rodrik was raised to be a lord - to lead the house, and everyone at Ironrath relies on him to do just that. He's also been a … morebattlefield commander; it's well within his character to understand the brutal reality, wherein he must sacrifice a pawn (Asher) in order to defend the king (him).
Meanwhile, Asher was raised to just be a fighter - to do whatever it took to honor his house, as befitting of a second born son. We're even told of how loyal he was in defending his siblings, before anyone else (as was the case with Ethan). We also know he has no interest in being a lord, or ruling. Both of these make it very easy to understand how he - "Asher doesn't hesitate, he acts!" - would volunteer to stay behind, and why Rodrik, in his ruthless training and battlefield experience, not to mention his understanding of the fact he is the glue holding everything together, would allow it.
Both would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat … [view original content]
GRRM would probably kill off Rodrik rather, or both at once.
and there is no such thing as 'canon TV universe', the whole tv show has a lot of incorrect representations, they can't even give proper valyrian violet eyes to Dany (contact lenses would work), a lot of characters exist or do not exist compared to the actual canon, the books
I wonder what GRRM thinks of Telltale's take on Game of Thrones and their creation of House Forrester. And you're probably right about him choosing to kill both Asher and Rodrik.
Theoretically, therefore Mira Forrester might have become a Sansa Stark kind of figure as the new leader of House Forrester.
But the Whitehills would pretty much have won by this point though its possible they would be open to peace if House Forrester became a Whitehill vassal - so its likely they would pressure Mira to marry Gryff Whitehill, reminiscent of Asher's betrothal to Gwyn.
Could Mira save the Forresters after such a devastating loss or would she be forced to kneel to the Whitehills?
Oh wait, I keep forgetting about Rickon - I mean Ryon.
Of course... he would inherit Ironrath but remain a Whitehill hostage and likely a puppet for them as well. Its not far fetched to imagine that when he comes of age the Whitehills might even have him married to Gwyn. There's never good news about Ryon... its difficult to picture him avenging the Forresters.
Two very interesting alternate storylines had both Rodrik and Asher died, if I do say so myself.
If there would be a marriage both houses would prefer their male being married to a girl from the other house, then kill off the males of that other family. Especially the Whitehills would do this, I see no reason for them to keep Ryon alive if a Forrester girl marries into their dynasty. With her inheriting Ironrath the Whitehills would get a legitimate inheritance through the new children.
The would have to be careful not to fully kill off the Forresters though, because then the lands get inherited by their liege House. (Glover was it?)
I don't know what GRRM thinks about the Telltale games, he said a few positive things about the Game of Thrones RPG as well (with House Sarwyck and House Westford) but didn't do anything with in canon them either. He did also praise an earlier terrible strategy game, so I am not sure if he really likes some games or just praises them in hope to improve his income from good promotion. Recently it's not even him who interacts with developers and the show producers, it is most ly one of his assistants.
I wonder what GRRM thinks of Telltale's take on Game of Thrones and their creation of House Forrester. And you're probably right about him c… morehoosing to kill both Asher and Rodrik.
Theoretically, therefore Mira Forrester might have become a Sansa Stark kind of figure as the new leader of House Forrester.
But the Whitehills would pretty much have won by this point though its possible they would be open to peace if House Forrester became a Whitehill vassal - so its likely they would pressure Mira to marry Gryff Whitehill, reminiscent of Asher's betrothal to Gwyn.
Could Mira save the Forresters after such a devastating loss or would she be forced to kneel to the Whitehills?
Oh wait, I keep forgetting about Rickon - I mean Ryon.
Of course... he would inherit Ironrath but remain a Whitehill hostage and likely a puppet for them as well. Its not far fetched to imagine that when he comes of age the Whitehills might even have him married … [view original content]
I wonder what GRRM thinks of Telltale's take on Game of Thrones and their creation of House Forrester. And you're probably right about him c… morehoosing to kill both Asher and Rodrik.
Theoretically, therefore Mira Forrester might have become a Sansa Stark kind of figure as the new leader of House Forrester.
But the Whitehills would pretty much have won by this point though its possible they would be open to peace if House Forrester became a Whitehill vassal - so its likely they would pressure Mira to marry Gryff Whitehill, reminiscent of Asher's betrothal to Gwyn.
Could Mira save the Forresters after such a devastating loss or would she be forced to kneel to the Whitehills?
Oh wait, I keep forgetting about Rickon - I mean Ryon.
Of course... he would inherit Ironrath but remain a Whitehill hostage and likely a puppet for them as well. Its not far fetched to imagine that when he comes of age the Whitehills might even have him married … [view original content]
Morally wrong, yes, that's why my Asher's alive. But I still feel more like Rodrik, and after his sacrifice I like him more. I always like him more for some reason. But that doesn't stop me from doing the right thing in E5's end.
lol. Sounds like someone doesn't care about family or honour at all. Don't transform GoT into pure surviving, or just play TWD if survival is all you care about. If you lose all your family in the game and survive do you really call this a win? Seriously...
About leaving Rodrik behind:
I meant it isn't the only right path.
It is.
I still feel more like Rodrik, and after his sacrifice I like him more. I always like him more for some reason. But that doesn't stop me from doing the right thing in E5's end.
And your answer was:
There are no morals in Game of Thrones! You win or you die, that simple!
If talkin about the right thing to do isn't the point, then why did you even start arguing about it in the first place? lol it just doesn't make any sense!
It was faithful to GRRM's style, also, it did enhanced the story. I left Asher behind because I am faithful to the characters, Asher does no… moret listen to reason when his siblings are in danger, he would never get to safety as a coward while his brother gets to die, no matter what his Lord commands him, he was stuborn like that and could only think about the situation at hand, on the other hand, Rodrik is more cold, he was prepared to be a Lord, he is prepared to sacrifice one for the sake of the others, even if this one was his younger brother, does not matter how bad things are, in chess there is no strategy where you sacrifice a King to save a Knight. I left Asher behind simply because I would not be able to live with a coward Asher and a stupid Rodrik.
Lol how could Asher's death be a good thing? Wasn't Ethan, Gregor and Gared's family already enough? Then we lose Elissa after losing Asher or Rodrik. Even the TV series aren't that mean. Even if we're successful at beating the Whitehills, it will be a pyrrhic victory Sansa Stark's style. Not really a victory at all. The game is going beyond what the TV series did, making it, surprisingly, even sadder than the TV series. This is going too far in my opinion. Robb Stark died because he was totally unfit to rule, bringing with his death the demise of the north. Ethan's death? Ok, we have a Bolton psycho, makes sense. But the inevitable betrayal from Royland or Duncan caused Asher or Rodrik to die. And yet this betrayal did not make sense, especially in the case of Royland that would better die than help any Whitehill. And yet I did try to choose Duncan the most diplomatic way possible. "You both are worthy. Royland, Duncan, this house needs you both" "Let Ser Royland speak, sentinel, I'd like to hear what he has to say. Ser Royland"
Then I follow Royland's plan, he still isn't there to protect me. Then he betrays Asher and Rodrik. I mean when you do everything you can to avoid a backstab making it unrealistic and it still happens, it's sad. It's only fair that some decisions are deadly for your character and his family. But when you do everything smart, there should be appropriate, positive consequences, like for example nobody backstabbing you in E5, so that Asher comes safely home alone without Rodrik coming to save him. Choices shall matter more. Bad choices shall bring demise faster, good choices shall save you, your family and house. That's what the game series does not have: choices that make a difference. If characters die in the TV series, it's often because they're doing dumb things, or are not careful enough. I hardly see any that was destined to die. In GoT, your death is only the consequence of your own mistakes or insufficiencies, not the result of fate. We can't make any difference to the TV series because we have no choices there. but here we do. And why don't they matter to save Forresters? I say Asher's death was unrealistic because it was the consequence of an unrealistic backstab by Royland. Unrealistic in my case, at least. Oh and well concerning Forrester deaths, Gregor stupidly thrown his life away when he should have carried on, even let Gared carry him if necessary for god's sake. He should have tried at least. Ah, and then we grief and I don't enjoy it. Especially when a life was wasted stupidly, by other's stupid choices.
Well, Asher was not smarter than Rodrik, but he was braver than Rodrik, as for Rodrik, he was not braver than Asher, but smarter than Asher, my Rodrik did not left because he is a coward, he left because he is a good leader. My Asher did not stayed behind because he is stupid, he stayed because his sibling was in danger, so yeah, he was not going anywhere.
It also fits with how Ellissa talked about Asher to Ethan in Episode 1.
"You were in danger and there was nothing else Asher needed to know."
In my head canon, Asher was simply the quickest to react. He wanted to save Rodrik that was his first instinct. I think if given another second, my Rodrik would have done the same thing for Asher.
Well, Asher was not smarter than Rodrik, but he was braver than Rodrik, as for Rodrik, he was not braver than Asher, but smarter than Asher… more, my Rodrik did not left because he is a coward, he left because he is a good leader. My Asher did not stayed behind because he is stupid, he stayed because his sibling was in danger, so yeah, he was not going anywhere.
Yup, the TV series are not canon. There is no "Talisa Stark" of Volantis, but IIRC a Jeyne Westerling of The Crag. And she DOES survive the red wedding. And she ISN'T pregnant because her mom already took care of that. And by the way she has a crown as queen. HBO doesn't care about canon or non canon. The more nudity and blood, the more shocking the scenes (a pregnant young girl getting stabbed in the stomach again, again, and
again) the better. At least that's HBO's style and TTG decided to go even further copying the stuff.
GRRM would probably kill off Rodrik rather, or both at once.
and there is no such thing as 'canon TV universe', the whole tv show has a l… moreot of incorrect representations, they can't even give proper valyrian violet eyes to Dany (contact lenses would work), a lot of characters exist or do not exist compared to the actual canon, the books
Well I say it's wrong for Rodrik to use his yonger sibling a human shield to survive himself, and it's only right for Rodrik to do his duty as older brother. Yes it's extremely costly, but that's what right. And once again it's wrong for Rodrik to use his yonger sibling a human shield to survive himself. So some of us personally see only one right path.
It also fits with how Ellissa talked about Asher to Ethan in Episode 1.
"You were in danger and there was nothing else Asher needed to kn… moreow."
In my head canon, Asher was simply the quickest to react. He wanted to save Rodrik that was his first instinct. I think if given another second, my Rodrik would have done the same thing for Asher.
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Hahahahahahahaha thank you mate.
I couldn't bare to see Asher and Beshka bromance end. So naturally, I saved Asher.
Asher living and sueing for peace with the marriage alliance is the only right path.
No. It. Isn't.
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Save the little brother and let the Forrester/Whitehill love win the war.
I meant it isn't the only right path.
Well I did save Rodrik in one of my walkthrus. I felt like an asshole for letting Asher die. And righfully so. As an older brother damn it, save him. It's Rodrik's duty. The other way around is not right.
Well, I left Rodrik behind, but I disagree. There are good reasons for either of them dying.
It's funny that your name is for Rodrik. Even if you accept marriage they still go to war.
Well Rodrik is a great brother, a good lord and a dangerous warrior. So yeah I like him and i'm more like him psychologically. (Serious minded, no nonsense, grim) instead of Asher's constant fun attitude. Look at their faces when Asher says "It's been a while i didn't kill any Whitehills." Who do you resemble more I Wonder?
:I Not in S5's end no
Oh yeah why should only Jon enjoy this kind of stuff?
Can you justify Rodrik agreeing to leave his little brother to die?
Okay, here:
Rodrik was raised to be a lord - to lead the house, and everyone at Ironrath relies on him to do just that. He's also been a battlefield commander; it's well within his character to understand the brutal reality, wherein he must sacrifice a pawn (Asher) in order to defend the king (him).
Meanwhile, Asher was raised to just be a fighter - to do whatever it took to honor his house, as befitting of a second born son. We're even told of how loyal he was in defending his siblings, before anyone else (as was the case with Ethan). We also know he has no interest in being a lord, or ruling. Both of these make it very easy to understand how he - "Asher doesn't hesitate, he acts!" - would volunteer to stay behind, and why Rodrik, in his ruthless training and battlefield experience, not to mention his understanding of the fact he is the glue holding everything together, would allow it.
Both would sacrifice themselves in a heartbeat for the other, no doubt, but speaking in-character, Asher would volunteer to do so first, it's just in his nature. He also has the least to lose.
And they both know that.
It's hard to say. I mean Asher is funny and reckless whereas Rodrik is more stern. Rodrik is meant to be lord in my opinion whereas Asher dosen't want to be lord. If I had to choose, I'd say Rodrik.
The whole lord stuff sounds good for a TV series, or a book. When it's just a player it's you as Rodrik or Asher. Who you play as is irrelevant. What's relevant is which connections the survivor characters got. Asher is not just some expendable Young fool understanding Nothing. He's no pawn either. He's the current heir to the lordship of House Forrester. If Rodrik is the king Asher is the prince. I don't necessarily see why everyone except Rodrik should be just some other forrester cannon fodder. Yup Asher staying behind is more realistic. But realism is not the question.
It's about what's right. And once again, not about what's smart.
We're talking about the right thing to do. Not the most realistic thing to do. Oh and outside of what's right, Asher has the same siblings, mother, a potential GF too. Plus he has the pit fighters to lead. So he has at least as much to lose as his bro. And they both know that. Unless you talk about the lordship but he cares not so that would be irrelevant to say.
You dare call yourself Rodrik Forrester?!
Aye. I do. Something the matter?
Well, you should change your name to Asher Forrester.
Well, you keep saying that Asher staying behind is the wrong choice.
...when it's not. Both of them would stay behind.
Morally wrong, yes, that's why my Asher's alive. But I still feel more like Rodrik, and after his sacrifice I like him more. I always like him more for some reason. But that doesn't stop me from doing the right thing in E5's end.
Rob Stark, the elder brother, wanted to be King. He wasn't good at it.
Jon Snow, the younger cousin, never wanted to be a Leader of Men yet now he's King of The North and is good at it.
Asher may not want it but he's what the people need. The Whitehills never feared Rodrik, however they greatly fear Asher as he's unpredictable and Gwyn loves him and he's a prodigy with great charisma. Asher can bring Peace or Destruction to them. That's scary. Rodrik can only bring Destruction. Must easier to deal with someone you can understand.
Well, liking Asher better as a lord is one thing, @Sardorim, but you can't say Rodrik is a bad leader.
Its why I think Asher's death was probably canon in the TV universe.
GRRM would probably kill off Rodrik rather, or both at once.
and there is no such thing as 'canon TV universe', the whole tv show has a lot of incorrect representations, they can't even give proper valyrian violet eyes to Dany (contact lenses would work), a lot of characters exist or do not exist compared to the actual canon, the books
I wonder what GRRM thinks of Telltale's take on Game of Thrones and their creation of House Forrester. And you're probably right about him choosing to kill both Asher and Rodrik.
Theoretically, therefore Mira Forrester might have become a Sansa Stark kind of figure as the new leader of House Forrester.
But the Whitehills would pretty much have won by this point though its possible they would be open to peace if House Forrester became a Whitehill vassal - so its likely they would pressure Mira to marry Gryff Whitehill, reminiscent of Asher's betrothal to Gwyn.
Could Mira save the Forresters after such a devastating loss or would she be forced to kneel to the Whitehills?
Oh wait, I keep forgetting about Rickon - I mean Ryon.
Of course... he would inherit Ironrath but remain a Whitehill hostage and likely a puppet for them as well. Its not far fetched to imagine that when he comes of age the Whitehills might even have him married to Gwyn. There's never good news about Ryon... its difficult to picture him avenging the Forresters.
Two very interesting alternate storylines had both Rodrik and Asher died, if I do say so myself.
If there would be a marriage both houses would prefer their male being married to a girl from the other house, then kill off the males of that other family. Especially the Whitehills would do this, I see no reason for them to keep Ryon alive if a Forrester girl marries into their dynasty. With her inheriting Ironrath the Whitehills would get a legitimate inheritance through the new children.
The would have to be careful not to fully kill off the Forresters though, because then the lands get inherited by their liege House. (Glover was it?)
I don't know what GRRM thinks about the Telltale games, he said a few positive things about the Game of Thrones RPG as well (with House Sarwyck and House Westford) but didn't do anything with in canon them either. He did also praise an earlier terrible strategy game, so I am not sure if he really likes some games or just praises them in hope to improve his income from good promotion. Recently it's not even him who interacts with developers and the show producers, it is most ly one of his assistants.
Must you always belittle Ryon when you mention him in a comment?
Eh, I don't think it's the only right path, in my opinion.
Actually, I don't think there's any right or wrong path at all.
There are no morals in Game of Thrones!
You win or you die, that simple!
lol. Sounds like someone doesn't care about family or honour at all. Don't transform GoT into pure surviving, or just play TWD if survival is all you care about. If you lose all your family in the game and survive do you really call this a win? Seriously...
About leaving Rodrik behind:
It is.
And your answer was:
If talkin about the right thing to do isn't the point, then why did you even start arguing about it in the first place? lol it just doesn't make any sense!
But you could live with a coward Rodrik and a stupid Asher.
Lol how could Asher's death be a good thing? Wasn't Ethan, Gregor and Gared's family already enough? Then we lose Elissa after losing Asher or Rodrik. Even the TV series aren't that mean. Even if we're successful at beating the Whitehills, it will be a pyrrhic victory Sansa Stark's style. Not really a victory at all. The game is going beyond what the TV series did, making it, surprisingly, even sadder than the TV series. This is going too far in my opinion. Robb Stark died because he was totally unfit to rule, bringing with his death the demise of the north. Ethan's death? Ok, we have a Bolton psycho, makes sense. But the inevitable betrayal from Royland or Duncan caused Asher or Rodrik to die. And yet this betrayal did not make sense, especially in the case of Royland that would better die than help any Whitehill. And yet I did try to choose Duncan the most diplomatic way possible. "You both are worthy. Royland, Duncan, this house needs you both" "Let Ser Royland speak, sentinel, I'd like to hear what he has to say. Ser Royland"
Then I follow Royland's plan, he still isn't there to protect me. Then he betrays Asher and Rodrik. I mean when you do everything you can to avoid a backstab making it unrealistic and it still happens, it's sad. It's only fair that some decisions are deadly for your character and his family. But when you do everything smart, there should be appropriate, positive consequences, like for example nobody backstabbing you in E5, so that Asher comes safely home alone without Rodrik coming to save him. Choices shall matter more. Bad choices shall bring demise faster, good choices shall save you, your family and house. That's what the game series does not have: choices that make a difference. If characters die in the TV series, it's often because they're doing dumb things, or are not careful enough. I hardly see any that was destined to die. In GoT, your death is only the consequence of your own mistakes or insufficiencies, not the result of fate. We can't make any difference to the TV series because we have no choices there. but here we do. And why don't they matter to save Forresters? I say Asher's death was unrealistic because it was the consequence of an unrealistic backstab by Royland. Unrealistic in my case, at least. Oh and well concerning Forrester deaths, Gregor stupidly thrown his life away when he should have carried on, even let Gared carry him if necessary for god's sake. He should have tried at least. Ah, and then we grief and I don't enjoy it. Especially when a life was wasted stupidly, by other's stupid choices.
Well, Asher was not smarter than Rodrik, but he was braver than Rodrik, as for Rodrik, he was not braver than Asher, but smarter than Asher, my Rodrik did not left because he is a coward, he left because he is a good leader. My Asher did not stayed behind because he is stupid, he stayed because his sibling was in danger, so yeah, he was not going anywhere.
It also fits with how Ellissa talked about Asher to Ethan in Episode 1.
"You were in danger and there was nothing else Asher needed to know."
In my head canon, Asher was simply the quickest to react. He wanted to save Rodrik that was his first instinct. I think if given another second, my Rodrik would have done the same thing for Asher.
Yup, the TV series are not canon. There is no "Talisa Stark" of Volantis, but IIRC a Jeyne Westerling of The Crag. And she DOES survive the red wedding. And she ISN'T pregnant because her mom already took care of that. And by the way she has a crown as queen. HBO doesn't care about canon or non canon. The more nudity and blood, the more shocking the scenes (a pregnant young girl getting stabbed in the stomach again, again, and
again) the better. At least that's HBO's style and TTG decided to go even further copying the stuff.
Well I say it's wrong for Rodrik to use his yonger sibling a human shield to survive himself, and it's only right for Rodrik to do his duty as older brother. Yes it's extremely costly, but that's what right. And once again it's wrong for Rodrik to use his yonger sibling a human shield to survive himself. So some of us personally see only one right path.
Good point mate.