If you lose all your family in the game and survive do you really call this a win?
There are 2 important things when it comes to winning the game of thrones: family and honor. But sometimes...honor comes first.
It is.
For you, maybe. But you can't say the same thing for everyone else.
If talkin about the right thing to do isn't the point, then why did you even start arguing about it in the first place? lol it just doesn't make any sense!
You're the one who started this argument when you said:
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Save the little brother and let the Forrester/Whitehill love win the war.
lol. Sounds like someone doesn't care about family or honour at all. Don't transform GoT into pure surviving, or just play TWD if survival i… mores all you care about. If you lose all your family in the game and survive do you really call this a win? Seriously...
About leaving Rodrik behind:
I meant it isn't the only right path.
It is.
I still feel more like Rodrik, and after his sacrifice I like him more. I always like him more for some reason. But that doesn't stop me from doing the right thing in E5's end.
And your answer was:
There are no morals in Game of Thrones! You win or you die, that simple!
If talkin about the right thing to do isn't the point, then why did you even start arguing about it in the first place? lol it just doesn't make any sense!
I meant it isn't the only right path.
Yup, the TV series are not canon. There is no "Talisa Stark" of Volantis, but IIRC a Jeyne Westerling of The Crag. And she DOES survive the … morered wedding. And she ISN'T pregnant because her mom already took care of that. And by the way she has a crown as queen. HBO doesn't care about canon or non canon. The more nudity and blood, the more shocking the scenes (a pregnant young girl getting stabbed in the stomach again, again, and
again) the better. At least that's HBO's style and TTG decided to go even further copying the stuff.
Lol how could Asher's death be a good thing? Wasn't Ethan, Gregor and Gared's family already enough? Then we lose Elissa after losing Asher … moreor Rodrik. Even the TV series aren't that mean. Even if we're successful at beating the Whitehills, it will be a pyrrhic victory Sansa Stark's style. Not really a victory at all. The game is going beyond what the TV series did, making it, surprisingly, even sadder than the TV series. This is going too far in my opinion. Robb Stark died because he was totally unfit to rule, bringing with his death the demise of the north. Ethan's death? Ok, we have a Bolton psycho, makes sense. But the inevitable betrayal from Royland or Duncan caused Asher or Rodrik to die. And yet this betrayal did not make sense, especially in the case of Royland that would better die than help any Whitehill. And yet I did try to choose Duncan the most diplomatic way possible. "You both are worthy. Royland, Duncan, this house needs you… [view original content]
Yup, the TV series are not canon
It takes place at the end of season 3 and ends, I think, at the beginning of season 5.
And sh… moree DOES survive the red wedding. And she ISN'T pregnant because her mom already took care of that.
Yeah, you haven't watched the show,
You're the one who started this argument when you said:
Absolutely not. You started arguing about it. Want THE quote proving it? Here it comes:
No. It. Isn't.
Aren't these your words?
For you, maybe. But you can't say the same thing for everyone else.
Saving Asher is right. Not because I say it is, but because it is. And here comes the argumentation: the big brother using his younger sibling to survive isn't what a big brother is supposed to do. Once again I'm not the one drafting the rules, I'm merely statin 'em. If you disagree you could give some argumentation. But so far your idea that Rodrik has everything to lose and Asher doesn't have much is merely a false statement, and therefore not an argument.
There are 2 important things when it comes to winning the game of thrones: family and honor. But sometimes...honor comes first.
If Asher stays behind, Rodrik fails his mission in defending his brother, which was the purpose of his coming. First failure. This failure, alongside the fact it almost causes the pit fighters to attack Ironrath from inside the walls, is a lord's failure. Second failure. Now let's look at another failure: an older brother's one to protect his little brother. Third failure. Do you really think all of this brings him honour? So if you laugh at the question what is right, you're most likely an honourless person. Well, ain't surprising, we're in the fking 21st century. Not many people around that care about doing the right thing. Oh and by the way, do you really think I care about what the macchiavelian Cersei say? That evil Lannister cunt? LMAO. The "OR" in her statement is not an exclusive or. Can be both, or one of 'em. You can still die and save your family and house. You die AND you win. duh
Don't transform GoT into pure surviving
Cersei said it herself!
If you lose all your family in the game and survive do you… more really call this a win?
There are 2 important things when it comes to winning the game of thrones: family and honor. But sometimes...honor comes first.
It is.
For you, maybe. But you can't say the same thing for everyone else.
If talkin about the right thing to do isn't the point, then why did you even start arguing about it in the first place? lol it just doesn't make any sense!
You're the one who started this argument when you said:
I STRONGLY DISAGREE. Save the little brother and let the Forrester/Whitehill love win the war.
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him. So my Asher is doing the smart thing. He left because he was smart, not becasue he's a coward. He is no coward whatever he does. If he were a coward he would not have come all this long way. Duh. My Rodrik saved him because his YOUNGER sibling was in danger, not because he's stupid. Just to say your stupid/coward stuff works both ways and can be countered with your very own last arguments. So the stupid/coward BS can be put aside. It works both ways, or in other words, it does not work as argumentation. The protect your little brother or use him to survive is the point concerning the right thing to do. Gee it should guide the choices of people that care about right and wrong. How does your Rodrik even live with himself now?
Well, Asher was not smarter than Rodrik, but he was braver than Rodrik, as for Rodrik, he was not braver than Asher, but smarter than Asher… more, my Rodrik did not left because he is a coward, he left because he is a good leader. My Asher did not stayed behind because he is stupid, he stayed because his sibling was in danger, so yeah, he was not going anywhere.
You're the one who started this argument when you said:
Absolutely not. You started arguing about it. Want THE quote proving it? Her… moree it comes:
No. It. Isn't.
* Aren't these your words?
For you, maybe. But you can't say the same thing for everyone else.
* Saving Asher is right. Not because I say it is, but because it is. And here comes the argumentation: the big brother using his younger sibling to survive isn't what a big brother is supposed to do. Once again I'm not the one drafting the rules, I'm merely statin 'em. If you disagree you could give some argumentation. But so far your idea that Rodrik has everything to lose and Asher doesn't have much is merely a false statement, and therefore not an argument.
There are 2 important things when it comes to winning the game of thrones: family and honor. But sometimes...honor comes first.
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I feel you didn't read the books and lack comparison and objectiveness. You should do it to understand the difference between the canon books, the weirdness of the series, and the issues with the games.
Ah, it's been so long since I've discussed this topic, but I've been drawn back by the constant back-and-forths that are going on here... and the fact I could never resist a good debate in regards to this choice.
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him.
Well, your Asher may think that, but the pit fighters obey Rodrik easily, after only a little bit of winning-over. Asher can even say, "I'm just another sword, no different to any of you. Rodrik is the rightful lord.... Trust me, everyone will love him. They will want to fight for him." Or he can say, "Rodrik, he's the lord of the house, and he's been bred for it... you'll know when you meet him, doesn't matter whether he can fight like he used to, all men learn to love Rodrik."
Elissa even says Asher has no desire to rule - which Asher himself even says in The Ice Dragon. That isn't optional dialogue, either.
This is Canon Asher: He does not want to rule.
So my Asher is doing the smart thing.
Smart thing, in your eyes. Plenty would say sacrificing the head of your house the moment he recovers, isn't that smart either. It's all interpretation.
He left because he was smart, not becasue he's a coward.
Not to disrespect the Asher character (because I love him), but is he really that smart? Ethan was smart. Mira is shrewd... Asher is just witty and full of life and a great fighter who is fiercely defensive of his family, the idea he's this long-term-planning, strategist who would ditch his brother at the first opportunity because... he's smart (for reasons you didn't really specify) doesn't quite add up in my mind.
Asher is described as a brave, heroic, family-oriented, passionate, impulsive, does-what-he-wants-and-damn-the-consequences sort of guy, he's not serious and stern like Rodrik, who has been trained from birth to understand what it means to rule and make hard choices and sacrifices.
Gee it should guide the choices of people that care about right and wrong. How does your Rodrik even live with himself now?
I know none of this is directed at me, but I saved Rodrik, so I feel obligated to respond... Rodrik probably lives with himself, the same way he did after his father died, after Robb Stark died, after the northern army were slaughtered, after he was crippled, after his home was conquered by his oldest enemies, after Ramsay flayed Arthur, after Duncan / Royland betrayed him; by being the man and the leader he was born to be. By being himself. He is very capable of overcoming hardship; it's what he does.
And you could easily say the reverse - how can Asher live with himself!?
He claims he is coming home to save House Forrester, and then what? He leaves its lord to die, within two minutes of landing back in Westeros? Great.
Anyway, I hope you don't take this as any kind of attack - I'm simply trying to join in on the discussion here, and deliver my own point of view.
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him. So my Asher is doing the smart th… moreing. He left because he was smart, not becasue he's a coward. He is no coward whatever he does. If he were a coward he would not have come all this long way. Duh. My Rodrik saved him because his YOUNGER sibling was in danger, not because he's stupid. Just to say your stupid/coward stuff works both ways and can be countered with your very own last arguments. So the stupid/coward BS can be put aside. It works both ways, or in other words, it does not work as argumentation. The protect your little brother or use him to survive is the point concerning the right thing to do. Gee it should guide the choices of people that care about right and wrong. How does your Rodrik even live with himself now?
Saving your younger brother is indeed the moral thing to do, it seems to me that you are a better brother while I am a better Lord, yeah, I am good with that. Also, there is a huge difference between the Family and the House that you seem to completely ignore here. I never said that my argumentation could not go both ways, I only meant that it is extremely out of character for Asher to simply turn his back in that moment, I said it because it is. Your conception about the moral thing to do being always the "right" thing to do clearly clouds your judgment and turns you into a single-minded "moralist" who thinks he can come here and point out the "right choices". If you read my comment or almost anyone else's you will realize that people around here do not call for "right" or "wrong" choices, I mean this is the whole point of the game, you play YOUR experience while I play MINE. If you can not understand this common sense, you are simply not worthy to be here discussing with these wonderful people. If you do not understand, then we can not even start arguing.
Now to answer you as a COURTESY: My Rodrik is having a hard time, he mourns every single dead Forrester every day. Because that is what a leader does, he lives with the consequences.
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him. So my Asher is doing the smart th… moreing. He left because he was smart, not becasue he's a coward. He is no coward whatever he does. If he were a coward he would not have come all this long way. Duh. My Rodrik saved him because his YOUNGER sibling was in danger, not because he's stupid. Just to say your stupid/coward stuff works both ways and can be countered with your very own last arguments. So the stupid/coward BS can be put aside. It works both ways, or in other words, it does not work as argumentation. The protect your little brother or use him to survive is the point concerning the right thing to do. Gee it should guide the choices of people that care about right and wrong. How does your Rodrik even live with himself now?
"It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Asher comes back to help his family, try to save it. Rodrik comes to save Asher. They both come to save each other, in a way. But in case of conflit, it's the little sibling that shall be saved, in my opinion and I believe that's what's right. I'm not the only one either, since a majority of players choose to save Asher. It's going to be hard for Asher to live. But easier than for Rodrik, because his older bro saved him, as he was actually supposed to. Rodrik if he lives fails to save his little brother. That's a big fail. Yes Asher loses his brother, but he's not supposed to die for him. And once again, when it comes to family, titles don't mean shit. House Forrester stands so far as a Forrester's still stands. And as far as I know, Asher is a Forrester as much as Rodrik. So House Forrester is still alive, whatever you do in game.
He leaves its lord to die, within two minutes of landing back in Westeros? Great.
Or he can choose to die himself, coming back to Westeros to die. Outstanding.
Ah, it's been so long since I've discussed this topic, but I've been drawn back by the constant back-and-forths that are going on here... an… mored the fact I could never resist a good debate in regards to this choice.
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him.
Well, your Asher may think that, but the pit fighters obey Rodrik easily, after only a little bit of winning-over. Asher can even say, "I'm just another sword, no different to any of you. Rodrik is the rightful lord.... Trust me, everyone will love him. They will want to fight for him." Or he can say, "Rodrik, he's the lord of the house, and he's been bred for it... you'll know when you meet him, doesn't matter whether he can fight like he used to, all men learn to love Rodrik."
Elissa even says Asher has no desire to rule - which Asher himself even says in The Ice Dragon. That isn't optional dialogue, either.
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If you can not understand this common sense, you are simply not worthy to be here discussing with these wonderful people. If you do not understand, then we can not even start arguing.
Who gave you authority to override the constitutional right called freedom of speech? Or did you take this authority out of your own arrogance? Trust me I know everyone is having his/her walkthru and believe me I'm nobody to teach people how they need to play. Everyone is having fun playing GoT and i'm fine with that. And even if I were knot, who the fuck cares? I'm just pointing out what's right, and what is wrong. I got an innate sense of justice. can't do anything about it.
Concerning wonderful people, the qualification sounds great, yet clearly not everyone on ANY forum is wonderful, so your cheesy hypocrisy isn't fooling anyone.
Saving your younger brother is indeed the moral thing to do, it seems to me that you are a better brother while I am a better Lord, yeah, I … moream good with that. Also, there is a huge difference between the Family and the House that you seem to completely ignore here. I never said that my argumentation could not go both ways, I only meant that it is extremely out of character for Asher to simply turn his back in that moment, I said it because it is. Your conception about the moral thing to do being always the "right" thing to do clearly clouds your judgment and turns you into a single-minded "moralist" who thinks he can come here and point out the "right choices". If you read my comment or almost anyone else's you will realize that people around here do not call for "right" or "wrong" choices, I mean this is the whole point of the game, you play YOUR experience while I play MINE. If you can not understand this common sense, you are simply not wo… [view original content]
Everyone in the house (Asher included)? The Whitehill's? The lord himself? The people? The player, presumably, since you play as the lord?
"It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles." - Niccolo Machiavelli
Okay, so? What is your point exactly? Rodrik doesn't deserve the title of lord?
◾Asher comes back to help his family, try to save it. Rodrik comes to save Asher.
Subjective. You can decide Rodrik's reasons for going to the harbour, just as you can decide Asher's prerogative towards his soldiers before he lands.
Rodrik can say (as mine did), "We'll meet Asher when he lands. Prepare the horses."
But in case of conflit, it's the little sibling that shall be saved, in my opinion and I believe that's what's right.
Which is fine, of course, but you've tried to paint it as the 'right choice,' a few times when that is just very wrong. And really in Westerosi tradition; the younger brother kneels before the elder, the knight kneels and serves and lives and dies for his lord or king. It's just as much Asher's duty to save Rodrik, as it is the reverse.
I'm not the only one either, since a majority of players choose to save Asher. It's going to be hard for Asher to live. But easier than for Rodrik, because his older bro saved him, as he was actually supposed to.
I'm well aware the majority of players chose Asher - which is fine, I just don't like it when they pretend it's the one true, right choice. As for the rest of that sentence, I'm not sure I follow; it seems your entire argument is based around the fact, well Rodrik is a few years older, therefore he has to die, it's the right thing, durh, and every character there would see it that way and agree.
And once more, Rodrik was supposed to save Asher? Well, sort of, but Asher was supposed to come home and save the house. Again, letting its lord die two-minutes into landing, isn't very admirable on his part either. It's a rock and a hard place for both of them.
Rodrik if he lives fails .to save his little brother. That's a big fail. Yes Asher loses his brother, but he's not supposed to die for him
More so than Asher leaving him? I just don't agree. And yes, Asher is supposed to die for him - Rodrik is his elder brother, and the lord of Ironrath and their house. Just as Rodrik was trained to lead, Asher was trained to follow. Not to mention, it's far more in Asher's character to make the sacrifice.
And once again, when it comes to family, titles don't mean shit.
Well, you can say that, but they do. They matter in the setting, they matter to the characters within said setting, and they matter to us, via explaining the roles of the people in this world.
House Forrester stands so far as a Forrester's still stands. And as far as I know, Asher is a Forrester as much as Rodrik. So House Forrester is still alive, whatever you do in game.
True, and Asher is a Forrester as much as Rodrik, yes, but nothing you've said, to be brutally honest, has really clarified why you're so confidant saving Asher is the right choice. I mean yes, he's younger, so there's that, I suppose (though I don't personally find that a very compelling argument, or even one at all. I'm more interested in reasoning based upon their characterisations). You've also decreed titles and status' don't mean anything, but... I'm still pretty comfortable here, in my pro-Rodrik stance.
Or he can choose to die himself, coming back to Westeros to die. Outstanding.
He didn't come back to Westeros to die, though, did he? At least not anymore so, than Rodrik went through his ardous recovery, and then went to the harbour to die. Asher came back to deliver an army and save the life of the Lord of House Forrester. That is outstanding.
Who cares who is lord.
"It is not titles that honor men, but men that honor titles." - Niccolo Machiavelli
* Asher comes bac… morek to help his family, try to save it. Rodrik comes to save Asher. They both come to save each other, in a way. But in case of conflit, it's the little sibling that shall be saved, in my opinion and I believe that's what's right. I'm not the only one either, since a majority of players choose to save Asher. It's going to be hard for Asher to live. But easier than for Rodrik, because his older bro saved him, as he was actually supposed to. Rodrik if he lives fails to save his little brother. That's a big fail. Yes Asher loses his brother, but he's not supposed to die for him. And once again, when it comes to family, titles don't mean shit. House Forrester stands so far as a Forrester's still stands. And as far as I know, Asher is a Forrester as much as Rodrik. So House Forrester is still alive, whatever you… [view original content]
Ser, there is a misunderstanding, I never said that you could not be here discussing, in fact I have no right in that matter, I only meant that to ME, you are really displaced here if you really think that your choice was the "right" one over mine, or his, or hers...
To be fair, I already told you that I agree with you about saving your younger brother being the moral thing to do (normally, usually). My point though is that the moral thing to do is not always the "right" thing to do, you are looking at the situation from just one angle, for instance, I try to play as based in the characters personalities as I can, while you seem to use a more personal approach in some matters ("I got an innate sense of justice. Can't do anything about it."). Only by that, our thoughts and ways of looking at the situations will be pretty different. Then there are our backstories, our respectives ideologies, the cultural matter, etc. That said, I hope you understand that one can not "just point out what's right and what's wrong." Since it is too relative, so no, I hate to break it up to you but you are not necessarily "right" and I am not necessarily "wrong". But if the man still wants to discuss that matter claiming that saving Asher over Rodrik was the "right" thing to do, then a girl must warn the man that she may not be inclined to go on.
I did not mean EVERYONE here, but in fact, I did meet good people here.
I am a better Lord because I am still alive ser. (in what concerns to Rodrik.). I mean, I can understand that saving Asher may be the moral thing to do, but strategically speaking is a terrible move.
If you can not understand this common sense, you are simply not worthy to be here discussing with these wonderful people. If you do not unde… morerstand, then we can not even start arguing.
* Who gave you authority to override the constitutional right called freedom of speech? Or did you take this authority out of your own arrogance? Trust me I know everyone is having his/her walkthru and believe me I'm nobody to teach people how they need to play. Everyone is having fun playing GoT and i'm fine with that. And even if I were knot, who the fuck cares? I'm just pointing out what's right, and what is wrong. I got an innate sense of justice. can't do anything about it.
* Concerning wonderful people, the qualification sounds great, yet clearly not everyone on ANY forum is wonderful, so your cheesy hypocrisy isn't fooling anyone.
I am a better Lord
* Argumentation?
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Cersei said it herself!
There are 2 important things when it comes to winning the game of thrones: family and honor. But sometimes...honor comes first.
For you, maybe. But you can't say the same thing for everyone else.
You're the one who started this argument when you said:
It takes place at the end of season 3 and ends, I think, at the beginning of season 5.
Yeah, you haven't watched the show,
If you're seriously saying that, you haven't watched the show
I have. All 6 seasons, monday in Europe. And Iet me repeat myself: this game is even sadder than the TV series.
I have. You haven't read the goddamn books tho. So much is clear. But that's ok, you're not necessarily supposed to either.
Absolutely not. You started arguing about it. Want THE quote proving it? Here it comes:
My Asher left because he has pit fighters to use. He knows they'll follow him. They obey him and only him. So my Asher is doing the smart thing. He left because he was smart, not becasue he's a coward. He is no coward whatever he does. If he were a coward he would not have come all this long way. Duh. My Rodrik saved him because his YOUNGER sibling was in danger, not because he's stupid. Just to say your stupid/coward stuff works both ways and can be countered with your very own last arguments. So the stupid/coward BS can be put aside. It works both ways, or in other words, it does not work as argumentation. The protect your little brother or use him to survive is the point concerning the right thing to do. Gee it should guide the choices of people that care about right and wrong. How does your Rodrik even live with himself now?
As Lord of Ironrath, defender of the Ironwood groves, I sentence you to death for hypocrisy, treason and the impersonation of Rodrik Forrester!
Alright, ya got a point there.
But...you say it like it's not sad at all.
I feel you didn't read the books and lack comparison and objectiveness. You should do it to understand the difference between the canon books, the weirdness of the series, and the issues with the games.
Ah, it's been so long since I've discussed this topic, but I've been drawn back by the constant back-and-forths that are going on here... and the fact I could never resist a good debate in regards to this choice.
Well, your Asher may think that, but the pit fighters obey Rodrik easily, after only a little bit of winning-over. Asher can even say, "I'm just another sword, no different to any of you. Rodrik is the rightful lord.... Trust me, everyone will love him. They will want to fight for him." Or he can say, "Rodrik, he's the lord of the house, and he's been bred for it... you'll know when you meet him, doesn't matter whether he can fight like he used to, all men learn to love Rodrik."
Elissa even says Asher has no desire to rule - which Asher himself even says in The Ice Dragon. That isn't optional dialogue, either.
This is Canon Asher: He does not want to rule.
Smart thing, in your eyes. Plenty would say sacrificing the head of your house the moment he recovers, isn't that smart either. It's all interpretation.
Not to disrespect the Asher character (because I love him), but is he really that smart? Ethan was smart. Mira is shrewd... Asher is just witty and full of life and a great fighter who is fiercely defensive of his family, the idea he's this long-term-planning, strategist who would ditch his brother at the first opportunity because... he's smart (for reasons you didn't really specify) doesn't quite add up in my mind.
Asher is described as a brave, heroic, family-oriented, passionate, impulsive, does-what-he-wants-and-damn-the-consequences sort of guy, he's not serious and stern like Rodrik, who has been trained from birth to understand what it means to rule and make hard choices and sacrifices.
I know none of this is directed at me, but I saved Rodrik, so I feel obligated to respond... Rodrik probably lives with himself, the same way he did after his father died, after Robb Stark died, after the northern army were slaughtered, after he was crippled, after his home was conquered by his oldest enemies, after Ramsay flayed Arthur, after Duncan / Royland betrayed him; by being the man and the leader he was born to be. By being himself. He is very capable of overcoming hardship; it's what he does.
And you could easily say the reverse - how can Asher live with himself!?
He claims he is coming home to save House Forrester, and then what? He leaves its lord to die, within two minutes of landing back in Westeros? Great.
Anyway, I hope you don't take this as any kind of attack - I'm simply trying to join in on the discussion here, and deliver my own point of view.
Saving your younger brother is indeed the moral thing to do, it seems to me that you are a better brother while I am a better Lord, yeah, I am good with that. Also, there is a huge difference between the Family and the House that you seem to completely ignore here. I never said that my argumentation could not go both ways, I only meant that it is extremely out of character for Asher to simply turn his back in that moment, I said it because it is. Your conception about the moral thing to do being always the "right" thing to do clearly clouds your judgment and turns you into a single-minded "moralist" who thinks he can come here and point out the "right choices". If you read my comment or almost anyone else's you will realize that people around here do not call for "right" or "wrong" choices, I mean this is the whole point of the game, you play YOUR experience while I play MINE. If you can not understand this common sense, you are simply not worthy to be here discussing with these wonderful people. If you do not understand, then we can not even start arguing.
Now to answer you as a COURTESY: My Rodrik is having a hard time, he mourns every single dead Forrester every day. Because that is what a leader does, he lives with the consequences.
Not an argument either :P
Who cares who is lord.
Everyone in the house (Asher included)? The Whitehill's? The lord himself? The people? The player, presumably, since you play as the lord?
Okay, so? What is your point exactly? Rodrik doesn't deserve the title of lord?
Subjective. You can decide Rodrik's reasons for going to the harbour, just as you can decide Asher's prerogative towards his soldiers before he lands.
Rodrik can say (as mine did), "We'll meet Asher when he lands. Prepare the horses."
Which is fine, of course, but you've tried to paint it as the 'right choice,' a few times when that is just very wrong. And really in Westerosi tradition; the younger brother kneels before the elder, the knight kneels and serves and lives and dies for his lord or king. It's just as much Asher's duty to save Rodrik, as it is the reverse.
I'm well aware the majority of players chose Asher - which is fine, I just don't like it when they pretend it's the one true, right choice. As for the rest of that sentence, I'm not sure I follow; it seems your entire argument is based around the fact, well Rodrik is a few years older, therefore he has to die, it's the right thing, durh, and every character there would see it that way and agree.
And once more, Rodrik was supposed to save Asher? Well, sort of, but Asher was supposed to come home and save the house. Again, letting its lord die two-minutes into landing, isn't very admirable on his part either. It's a rock and a hard place for both of them.
More so than Asher leaving him? I just don't agree. And yes, Asher is supposed to die for him - Rodrik is his elder brother, and the lord of Ironrath and their house. Just as Rodrik was trained to lead, Asher was trained to follow. Not to mention, it's far more in Asher's character to make the sacrifice.
Well, you can say that, but they do. They matter in the setting, they matter to the characters within said setting, and they matter to us, via explaining the roles of the people in this world.
True, and Asher is a Forrester as much as Rodrik, yes, but nothing you've said, to be brutally honest, has really clarified why you're so confidant saving Asher is the right choice. I mean yes, he's younger, so there's that, I suppose (though I don't personally find that a very compelling argument, or even one at all. I'm more interested in reasoning based upon their characterisations). You've also decreed titles and status' don't mean anything, but... I'm still pretty comfortable here, in my pro-Rodrik stance.
He didn't come back to Westeros to die, though, did he? At least not anymore so, than Rodrik went through his ardous recovery, and then went to the harbour to die. Asher came back to deliver an army and save the life of the Lord of House Forrester. That is outstanding.
Ser, there is a misunderstanding, I never said that you could not be here discussing, in fact I have no right in that matter, I only meant that to ME, you are really displaced here if you really think that your choice was the "right" one over mine, or his, or hers...
To be fair, I already told you that I agree with you about saving your younger brother being the moral thing to do (normally, usually). My point though is that the moral thing to do is not always the "right" thing to do, you are looking at the situation from just one angle, for instance, I try to play as based in the characters personalities as I can, while you seem to use a more personal approach in some matters ("I got an innate sense of justice. Can't do anything about it."). Only by that, our thoughts and ways of looking at the situations will be pretty different. Then there are our backstories, our respectives ideologies, the cultural matter, etc. That said, I hope you understand that one can not "just point out what's right and what's wrong." Since it is too relative, so no, I hate to break it up to you but you are not necessarily "right" and I am not necessarily "wrong". But if the man still wants to discuss that matter claiming that saving Asher over Rodrik was the "right" thing to do, then a girl must warn the man that she may not be inclined to go on.
I did not mean EVERYONE here, but in fact, I did meet good people here.
I am a better Lord because I am still alive ser. (in what concerns to Rodrik.). I mean, I can understand that saving Asher may be the moral thing to do, but strategically speaking is a terrible move.
You know you're talking about yourself, right?
Haha I win, Lord Fake.
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