Elaena's Child?
If you selected the option that has Rodrik and Elaena sleep together before SHTF, do you think we'll see a pregnant Elaena, or even one who's given birth in the next season?
This would be interesting from a storytelling point of view. If the child is male then it would be the rightful heir to Ironrath. It would also give an incentive for us to play as Elaena in the next season, or at least open up other things for characters to do to help her since she'll be in bad graces with the Boltons/Whitehills.
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Well she did say in episode 5 that she and Rodrik hadn't slept much for a few weeks, implying that they have been f*cking for a while. Then in episode six she asked Rodrik if their NIGHTS together meant anything to him. (Obviously they did since he had smashed her multiple times.) This is also the only way to really save Ironrath, the Whitehill army took heavy losses in the finale. If Elaena has Rodrik's baby then her father will have to help the Forresters defeat the Whitehills. In episode 2 Royland said "We can burn Highpoint to the fucking ground!" (With the Glenmore army) So the possibility of getting pregnant after weeks of unprotected sex is PRETTY HIGH!
What would you name the baby? (Give a boy and girl name)
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Well the baby would actually be a bastard therefore he/she would not be heir and the Glenmores would be under no obligation to help.
Well Rodrik has nine months to heal, (he probably wont) rescue Elaena if a prisoner and get married. After that the Glenmore army would wipe out the rest of the weak Whitehill army. One can hope right?
How do you imagine this going down if Asher survived instead.
She would be vengeful and convince her father to avenge Rodrik's and Arthur's death. (Elaena and Arthur said their father was forcing her to marry Gryff. So they decided to use the elite guard to get rid of Gryff, which caused Ramsay to take action. Arthur's actions were motivated by the Whitehills, if they weren't assholes then Arthur wouldn't have cared about them. Arthur is dead because he tried to stop Gryff from plowing his sister, he died to keep her safe from the Whitehills. If they hadn't been assholes then Arthur wouldn't have gotten involved. And for that his father would be furious, what would stop him from killing the rest of the Whitehill army?) But the baby will probably be a bastard anyway, I really don't think Rodrik/Asher and Royland/Duncan will NOT live long in season 2 with Ortengryn dead. I don't think Telltale Games will put so much effort to make the game's characters live long if they could've died in season 2.
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In Westeros a bastard can be legitimized by the ruler too
I was just asking a question not saying you're wrong. I was curious how a child of Rodrik's would play out in an Asher playthrough. So please, chill the fuck out.
In my head canon, Rodrik managed to plant his seed in Elaena before dying in episode 5. Since Elaena presumably left before the battle, I'm hoping she's alive and has Rodrik Jr. somewhere safe and sound in the Riverlands....
A man can hope, right?
I was gonna say this
It would be interesting to see.
There are a few possibilities.
1) If Rodrik survives his injuries long enough to reunite with Elaena, he could marry her. Making there unborn child his true born heir. This would solidify an alliance between both the houses and even if Rodrik died, the Glenmore's have a very significant reason to defeat the Whitehills.
2) If Asher is alive then he could potentially marry Elaena to secure the alliance between their houses. He could either claim the unborn child as his own true born son or daughter. Or keep the child on as a bastard.
I didn't try to make it seem like I was mad, I just all caps important pieces of info in my comments sometimes. Sorry (No sarcasum)
Sorry for the grammer, I wrote that at like 1:30am
I doubt Asher would marry Elaena. He barely interacted with her when he is alive, and after that she basically just disappears from the story. Asher has a much stronger hint at marriage with Gwyn, especially if she is with him at the end. Also given that Elaena loved Rodrik and still had to be convinced marriage would be a good option, I think Asher would have even worse luck.
I do agree though, Rodrik's baby would be the ONLY reason I could see that potentially happening, out of Elaena's fear of birthing a bastard and Asher's obligation to his brother and house, especially if Asher has already betrayed Gwyn. I still think it's highly unlikely within the context of the given story, but then again, it would fit in with the larger universe's theme as marriage isn't usually for love in game of thrones.
Most of the people from noble houses have never met their betrothed before the marriage. Some meet them shortly before the wedding although this tends to be more of a brief introduction rather than them actually getting to know each other properly. For instance, it was actually Brandon Stark (Eddard Stark's older brother) who was betrothed to Catelyn Tully. However when Brandon Stark and their father Rickard Stark were killed, Eddard became the heir to Winterfell. In order to secure an alliance with house Tully (they needed Lord Hoster Tully's support in the War) he agreed to marry Catelyn Tully in his older brother's place. He and Catelyn had never met. All he really knew is that she was Hoster Tully's eldest daughter and at a guess that she had red hair (red hair is a strong trait of the Tully's). When Catelyn first met Eddard she considered him more plain looking than his brother Brandon, but over the years they grew to love each other.
Now I am by no means suggesting that this would happen between Asher and Elaena, especially considering that Elaena and Rodrik had known each other since they were kids and had actually loved each other, unlike Catelyn and Brandon. It does however highlight that Asher could marry Elaena for both her sake, the sake of the unborn child and the alliance with the Glenmores.
True, but Eleana is not Catelyn. She seems to be very headstrong compared to most Game of Thrones women when it comes to the prospect of marriage. Even while loving Rodrik, she treats the ordeal as one of both emotion and logic - she either agrees when given a strong political suggestion from the "Tyrells" and Rodrik is thoughtful of her feelings, or when the deal of Ironwood is on the table. Likewise, when promised to a man she absolutely despises, despite whatever her betrothal status to Rodrik is, she sneaks an army from under her father's nose just to kill him and rid herself of the marriage. So marriage to anyone can be subject to her intense scrutiny, and Asher is no exception. Also knowing that the Forresters have basically lost Ironrath, I don't think she would want to make that dangerous alliance with them when she was so hesitant to ally with them even when Rodrik was lord and their situation was not nearly as bad.
Still, the prospect of not having a bastard might convince her, and Asher isn't a bad option by any means. But my main doubt that this would happen comes from her completely dropping out of the story if Asher is alive. I feel like if there was any intention to do that, Telltale would have at least held on to her character and gave her some significance in his storyline.
While her odd disappearance in Asher's POV might be the case, there isn't really anything to stop Tell Tale bringing her back into the story later. Imagine that as a dilemma. You have to choose between marrying Gwyn Whitehill in an effort to bring an end to the hostilities. Or marry Elaena instead, to prevent your unborn niece/nephew being born a bastard and potentially forge an alliance with the Glenmores, while this may be more of an honourable choice it's not necessarily the smart thing to do.
You say that Elaena is not Catelyn because she seems to be very headstrong. Well Catelyn also demonstrated a strong will on more than one occasion. However the situation was different. Catelyn was the eldest daughter of Hoster Tully who was the Lord Paramount of the Riverlands. Even though her original betrothed had been killed she still agreed to marry Eddard, not because she was weak, but because even though Lord Eddard Stark was waging war against the crown along side Robert Baratheon. Catelyn knew that if she married Eddard and managed to bare a child by him, that child would be the heir to Winterfell, which is located in the north. The north happens to be almost the same size in land mass as the rest of the southern kingdoms combined and is also another house paramount. This would benefit her family greatly and with the support of the Vale and the Storm lands they were in a very strong position to win against the crown. Who only really had the support of the Tyrells and the Dorne. The Lannisters were staying neutral until the right moment, and they inevitably chose to side against the crown.
Elaena on the other hand had the prospect of already being betrothed to Rodrik since they were children. This of course would have been done in times of peace and prosperity. Now however she was faced with marrying into a house which was in dire straits. So the choice to still go ahead with a marriage that would be more of an advantage to the Foresters than her family needed careful consideration. Here was a house whose army was mostly spent, was under attack from the Whitehills who had more men than them. To make matters worse the Whitehills had been bannermen to the Boltons who were now the new Wardens of the North. It's not like there were two other houses allied with the Foresters who would've made the prospect of winning against the Whitehills seem to have a good possibility.
Also Elaena practically begs Rodrik to let her stay at Ironrath even though it is in the middle of a siege attack. She said earlier that she could not return to her father. This is most likely due to him maybe being angry that she had defied him, in both refusing to marry Gryff and taking her brother and his men to help Rodrik. Add to that the possibility that she might have slept with Rodrik and is possibly carrying their child, which would be a bastard. Elaena is pretty much running out of options.
Oh, I'm not saying Catelyn isn't headstrong in her own right. I'm just saying Elaena went through much greater lengths to avoid marriage and seemed to have much greater say over it than Catelyn did. To a fault, actually, because her intense need to control her own betrothal in a way led to her brother's death (not that I'm hating on her character, she's my favorite). So if she didn't want a marriage, I don't think it would be as simple as "choose Gwyn" or "choose Elaena." I think Elaena would at least need some reassurance from Asher, maybe in a parallel scene to Rodrik as he tries to talk to her about a possible betrothal. Same with Gwyn if Asher betrayed her plan to attain peace through marriage initially, she would need that discussion to gain his trust back again.
I do think in Asher's storyline she may have returned home. True, she didn't want to face her father again, but without Rodrik there she had no real reason to stay, especially knowing that the Whitehills were going to show up at Ironrath's door. We can force her home as Rodrik, but since Asher has no such decision, I assumed she made the decision herself. She's never seen at Ironrath again after that.