Another difference I've noticed in Telltale's Joker from other versions (at least from what I've seen in the trailer) is his attitude. Previous Jokers always seemed to sport a nihilistic philosophy to accompany the mayhem they unleashed, but this Joker is something else. Instead of brooding on gallows humor, he's almost exploding with joy, like a kid who thinks every morning is Christmas morning. He occupies a weird space between Cesar Romero's goofy prankster and Heath Ledger's psychotic anarchist, and that makes him twice as terrifying, IMO.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
Look, I love the Joker and all, but holy shit on a popsicle stick, is he overused. Other villains really needed their spotlight in a Batman game, for once, and now they did this.
Look peeps I was worried about the Joker too, but he'll be like in only a third of the episode. He's not playing any major roles, and looks like he'll be an ally to Bruce in Arkham Asylum. If anyone is going to introduce Bruce through the Asylum might as well be the mad man himself. as long as he's not taken any shots and joining the children of Arkham I'm all good. Season 2 on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing what potential he has.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
No, it really isn't. First of all, you might have had a point if the Children of Arkham leader turned out to be The Joker, but it was Vicki. Secondly, it looks like The Joker's going to be observing from the sidelines for most of the episode, if not the whole season. He's still biding his time. The most he'll probably do is help Bruce break out of Arkham, and that definitely isn't something we've seen from the character before.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
Look, I love the Joker and all, but holy shit on a popsicle stick, is he overused. Other villains really needed their spotlight in a Batman game, for once, and now they did this.
Ah, right. I'm okay with him being in the series, but to the extent where he isn't such a prominent character. Have him in the Asylum, and then move on.
Agreed, I mean he's not my all time favourite Batman villain - those honours go to a constant cycle of Mister Freeze, Two Face and Scarecrow… more - and I can respect people who feel him being overused, but it doesn't mean you shouldn't use him. After all this is Batman early in his career, so why shouldn't he be having his first encounter with Joker, especially if it's done in a different way by having him meet Bruce before Batman, and in a supporting context rather than the main villain?
Season 2 on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing what potential he has.
Oh boy. If they do use him as a main villain for Season 2, that would be kind of interesting. Joker (unconfirmed at the moment) helped Bruce escape the Asylum, and yet later Bruce must now apprehend him. EDIT: Wait, that sounded cooler in my head. Aaand, apparently I misclicked a comment button. This is for you @freelancepolicefan11
This game is the only Batman medium I have ever seen to make the Penguin more than a fat gangster, and it also introduces a new villain. On top of that, it also makes Harvey a much more relatable guy and we actually feel bad watching his descent into madness.
Having the Joker is necessary in a long running Batman story. There is just no way around it. He's a way too well established and popular villain to never use him if you're planning to stick to the series for a while. And Telltale is probably going to do something unique with him. They already have, actually: I don't think Bruce has ever met the Joker because he was committed to Arkham, and I also don't think that the Joker has ever really met Bruce before meeting Batman, that is if he ever meets Bruce at all. And if the Joker actually helps Bruce escape Arkham, then that's a pretty big change as well.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
Look, I love the Joker and all, but holy shit on a popsicle stick, is he overused. Other villains really needed their spotlight in a Batman game, for once, and now they did this.
Honestly Im super pumped that Joker is in it in this way, it seems that Bruce and Joker are going to be the closest in Arkham as they plot to break out. As long as after that Joker is gone until possibly season 2, Ill be happy. Just dont pull a "JOKER MAIN BAD GUY LAST SECOND" card.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
No, it really isn't. First of all, you might have had a point if the Children… more of Arkham leader turned out to be The Joker, but it was Vicki. Secondly, it looks like The Joker's going to be observing from the sidelines for most of the episode, if not the whole season. He's still biding his time. The most he'll probably do is help Bruce break out of Arkham, and that definitely isn't something we've seen from the character before.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
No, it really isn't. First of all, you might have had a point if the Children… more of Arkham leader turned out to be The Joker, but it was Vicki. Secondly, it looks like The Joker's going to be observing from the sidelines for most of the episode, if not the whole season. He's still biding his time. The most he'll probably do is help Bruce break out of Arkham, and that definitely isn't something we've seen from the character before.
No, it really isn't.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced… more with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
No, it really isn't.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced… more with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
No, it really isn't.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced… more with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
Except we don't know if that's what they are doing. All we know is that Joker will be in Arkham and meet Bruce. That's literally all we know about his role in this game.
No, it really isn't.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced… more with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
So I'm kinda confused... Are they still going to be building the Thomas and Martha Wayne Memorial Hospital? And I thought they shut down the Asylum in episode 1?....
They planned on closing Arkham, but didn't follow through on it after the Wayne scandal. Also, naming a hospital after a mob boss and his wife might be a bit awkward.
So I'm kinda confused... Are they still going to be building the Thomas and Martha Wayne Memorial Hospital? And I thought they shut down the Asylum in episode 1?....
We don't know what Joker's role even is yet, so far it seems what they are going to do is we team up with him to break out of Arkham, then setting him up for being season 2's main antagonist. After we break out we probably won't see him again until a possible season 2.
No, it really isn't.
Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced… more with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
They planned on closing Arkham, but didn't follow through on it after the Wayne scandal. Also, naming a hospital after a mob boss and his wife might be a bit awkward.
I see you're already taking quotes out of context. What I SPECIFICALLY said was that Batman could just as easily be accused of being "overused" as The Joker. But you're twisting and imbuing what I wrote into a straw man argument.
If you're going to try and throw my own words back in my face, you could at least do your homework.
Arkham Asylum already seems well populated between Joker, Ventriloquist and Victor Zsasz. Now just give us Harleen Quinzel and Jonathan Crane, Telltale!
Ok I am very sorry to interrupt but I just got to make sure I understand what your saying here. Telltale is NOT being creative because they used the Joker....................Wtf. Since when is this a thing? So now its 'limiting' to use a character because others have before? Especially one with so much potential that he has become 'overused'.
Let me get this straight, if they go out of their way to avoid the character they aren't limiting themselves. To be honest it sounds like you want them to limit themselves. 'They should throw out and ignore any ideas with the Joker in the game' that is a limitation. And what if they like the character? Does ignoring your dreams and ideas mean you have enough 'creative spark'?
The argument you seem to imply with this comment is both illogical and contradictory to what you claim to want and honestly makes you look hypocritical.
Joker is overused, that's all I'm saying and I was hoping Telltale would have enough creative spark to not use him at all in this story and … moredo something interesting and unique like they said they would but nope.
I'll wait and see, but my first impressions are fairly disappointed.
Another difference I've noticed in Telltale's Joker from other versions (at least from what I've seen in the trailer) is his attitude. Previ… moreous Jokers always seemed to sport a nihilistic philosophy to accompany the mayhem they unleashed, but this Joker is something else. Instead of brooding on gallows humor, he's almost exploding with joy, like a kid who thinks every morning is Christmas morning. He occupies a weird space between Cesar Romero's goofy prankster and Heath Ledger's psychotic anarchist, and that makes him twice as terrifying, IMO.
The problem with that is that the Joker has become so iconic and loved as character that one could argue you cannot have a batman story without him.
And also 'overused' is supposed to describe a character that has outlived his potential storywise and is just added. For the Joker this is impossible since the writers have proven for over 70 years that they can make him do basically anything.
Not necessarily. The title is Batman, not Batman and the Joker. He's the main character. He's the one character who has to be in pretty much… more all of it and can't be overused unless you think making anything Batman related is overused. It's only literally every other character who could ever be overused.
I do wonder whether there is a possibility about getting someone to help you escape, though I sure as hell wouldn't want Zasaz OR Joker loos… moree in Gotham if there's a choice. Wesker at least is generally pretty harmless without Scarface to control him (whether you believe it's a persona of his or something altogether more supernatural) so I would go with him.
"This game is the only Batman medium I have ever seen to make the Penguin more than a fat gangster."
Well...there's the Gotham TV show. Though in general I'd say there's a lot more to Penguin then being a "fat gangster," like his cultured personality and how dangerous he is in-spite of his looks. I think making him lean and skinny misses part of the point of the character, but that's me and I like Oz as a whole.
"It also makes Harvey a much more relatable guy and we actually feel bad watching his descent into madness."
The Long Halloween, B: TAS, The Dark Knight trilogy...though I guess those can be subjective in terms of how much you relate to and/or like Harvey and sympathize with him as he becomes Two-Face. But the essence of tragedy is always there.
This game is the only Batman medium I have ever seen to make the Penguin more than a fat gangster, and it also introduces a new villain. On … moretop of that, it also makes Harvey a much more relatable guy and we actually feel bad watching his descent into madness.
Having the Joker is necessary in a long running Batman story. There is just no way around it. He's a way too well established and popular villain to never use him if you're planning to stick to the series for a while. And Telltale is probably going to do something unique with him. They already have, actually: I don't think Bruce has ever met the Joker because he was committed to Arkham, and I also don't think that the Joker has ever really met Bruce before meeting Batman, that is if he ever meets Bruce at all. And if the Joker actually helps Bruce escape Arkham, then that's a pretty big change as well.
what I mean is that the most common orgin of joker becoming joker is that he falls in a vat of chemicals due to batman trying to aprehend him. I wonder what there trying to go for here considering that joker has never actually met batman.
Ah, right. I'm okay with him being in the series, but to the extent where he isn't such a prominent character. Have him in the Asylum, and then move on.
I don't think anyone should be surprised that Batman's Archenemy is near-ubiquitous in Batman media, even if that is part of the reason for the complaints about him being "overused."
I mean, I get that people might be upset or annoyed at seeing him in such a direct way if you'd rather Telltale hold off on him in a first season of a possible continuing series given how easily he can hog the spotlight or the large degree of attention he already gets as a villain (and throwing the Joker in there is kind of the obvious thing to do). But it shouldn't be surprising that Batman's nemesis would appear in some form in a major Batman media adaption.
Personally, I maybe would've preferred just teases or foreshadowing rather then an actual physical Joker appearance, but I'm definitely interested to see how Telltale will handle him and have no doubt that he won't overshadow the rest of the story outside his scenes in Arkham.
I mean, right now he's just a crazy guy in prison pajamas. What do you expect? I'd be interested to see Telltale's version of a fully costumed Joker, though! I think his face is pretty foreboding already and messed up makeup would really bring that out.
I'd be so interested to see how different the dynamic is between Bruce and Harvey and Batman and Harvey if Harvey isn't burned. He practically worships Batman, so I wonder if Batman would have a stronger sway or if Harvey would just go nuts thinking his hero isn't really on his side.
I'm much more interested in the trajectory unburned Harvey than burned Harvey. I'm glad I made the choice I did!
I guess it would be easier if I understood any of the appeal at all but he's always just annoyed me.
And I disagree that overused means he has outlived any potential story usage, just that he has been overexposed and it would be better if he faded into the background for awhile. He doesn't NEED to be in everything and yet somehow he is.
The problem with that is that the Joker has become so iconic and loved as character that one could argue you cannot have a batman story with… moreout him.
And also 'overused' is supposed to describe a character that has outlived his potential storywise and is just added. For the Joker this is impossible since the writers have proven for over 70 years that they can make him do basically anything.
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Another difference I've noticed in Telltale's Joker from other versions (at least from what I've seen in the trailer) is his attitude. Previous Jokers always seemed to sport a nihilistic philosophy to accompany the mayhem they unleashed, but this Joker is something else. Instead of brooding on gallows humor, he's almost exploding with joy, like a kid who thinks every morning is Christmas morning. He occupies a weird space between Cesar Romero's goofy prankster and Heath Ledger's psychotic anarchist, and that makes him twice as terrifying, IMO.
Just great. It's Batman: Arkham Origins all over again
Look, I love the Joker and all, but holy shit on a popsicle stick, is he overused. Other villains really needed their spotlight in a Batman game, for once, and now they did this.
Look peeps I was worried about the Joker too, but he'll be like in only a third of the episode. He's not playing any major roles, and looks like he'll be an ally to Bruce in Arkham Asylum. If anyone is going to introduce Bruce through the Asylum might as well be the mad man himself. as long as he's not taken any shots and joining the children of Arkham I'm all good. Season 2 on the other hand I wouldn't mind seeing what potential he has.
No, it really isn't. First of all, you might have had a point if the Children of Arkham leader turned out to be The Joker, but it was Vicki. Secondly, it looks like The Joker's going to be observing from the sidelines for most of the episode, if not the whole season. He's still biding his time. The most he'll probably do is help Bruce break out of Arkham, and that definitely isn't something we've seen from the character before.
Ah, right. I'm okay with him being in the series, but to the extent where he isn't such a prominent character. Have him in the Asylum, and then move on.
Oh boy. If they do use him as a main villain for Season 2, that would be kind of interesting. Joker (unconfirmed at the moment) helped Bruce escape the Asylum, and yet later Bruce must now apprehend him.
EDIT: Wait, that sounded cooler in my head. Aaand, apparently I misclicked a comment button. This is for you @freelancepolicefan11
This game is the only Batman medium I have ever seen to make the Penguin more than a fat gangster, and it also introduces a new villain. On top of that, it also makes Harvey a much more relatable guy and we actually feel bad watching his descent into madness.
Having the Joker is necessary in a long running Batman story. There is just no way around it. He's a way too well established and popular villain to never use him if you're planning to stick to the series for a while. And Telltale is probably going to do something unique with him. They already have, actually: I don't think Bruce has ever met the Joker because he was committed to Arkham, and I also don't think that the Joker has ever really met Bruce before meeting Batman, that is if he ever meets Bruce at all. And if the Joker actually helps Bruce escape Arkham, then that's a pretty big change as well.
Honestly Im super pumped that Joker is in it in this way, it seems that Bruce and Joker are going to be the closest in Arkham as they plot to break out. As long as after that Joker is gone until possibly season 2, Ill be happy. Just dont pull a "JOKER MAIN BAD GUY LAST SECOND" card.
To those who want to avoid how Joker looks like me, tread carefully on Youtube. Some people just love to post his face on every trailer video.
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Yes it is. You're supposed to think that Black Mask is the villain in the game, and then boom! He gets replaced with the Joker. That's exactly what Arkham Origins is. Except this time, they're replacing Black Mask with the Penguin or Lady Arkham.
On a side note, you're free to stop playing the game whenever you like.
No, it really isn't. The Joker isn't "replacing" The Penguin or Lady Arkham, so the comparison you're trying to make just doesn't work.
We don't even know his role yet so chill
Except we don't know if that's what they are doing. All we know is that Joker will be in Arkham and meet Bruce. That's literally all we know about his role in this game.
Says the guy that thinks Batman is horribly overrated.
So I'm kinda confused... Are they still going to be building the Thomas and Martha Wayne Memorial Hospital? And I thought they shut down the Asylum in episode 1?....
He looks... bland.
They planned on closing Arkham, but didn't follow through on it after the Wayne scandal. Also, naming a hospital after a mob boss and his wife might be a bit awkward.
We don't know what Joker's role even is yet, so far it seems what they are going to do is we team up with him to break out of Arkham, then setting him up for being season 2's main antagonist. After we break out we probably won't see him again until a possible season 2.
Well he doesnt have any make up on and is just in a white Tee Shirt and Pants, so that should be expected.
Well they don't have to name it after the Waynes I guess, but they could still build that hospital...
No need to describe him for me. I have only managed to glimpse his pic.
I see you're already taking quotes out of context. What I SPECIFICALLY said was that Batman could just as easily be accused of being "overused" as The Joker. But you're twisting and imbuing what I wrote into a straw man argument.
If you're going to try and throw my own words back in my face, you could at least do your homework.
Seems like we'll have another go as Batman or Bruce choice. We can see Batman jumping off the same helipad Bruce and Harvey talk on.
Could be Troy Baker himself.
Will they have the time to fit them in though?
Ok I am very sorry to interrupt but I just got to make sure I understand what your saying here. Telltale is NOT being creative because they used the Joker....................Wtf. Since when is this a thing? So now its 'limiting' to use a character because others have before? Especially one with so much potential that he has become 'overused'.
Let me get this straight, if they go out of their way to avoid the character they aren't limiting themselves. To be honest it sounds like you want them to limit themselves. 'They should throw out and ignore any ideas with the Joker in the game' that is a limitation. And what if they like the character? Does ignoring your dreams and ideas mean you have enough 'creative spark'?
The argument you seem to imply with this comment is both illogical and contradictory to what you claim to want and honestly makes you look hypocritical.
Sounds pretty in line with Mark Hamill's Joker.
The problem with that is that the Joker has become so iconic and loved as character that one could argue you cannot have a batman story without him.
And also 'overused' is supposed to describe a character that has outlived his potential storywise and is just added. For the Joker this is impossible since the writers have proven for over 70 years that they can make him do basically anything.
I will be really sad for you if Wesker just turns into a cameo and is never mentioned again
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"This game is the only Batman medium I have ever seen to make the Penguin more than a fat gangster."
Well...there's the Gotham TV show. Though in general I'd say there's a lot more to Penguin then being a "fat gangster," like his cultured personality and how dangerous he is in-spite of his looks. I think making him lean and skinny misses part of the point of the character, but that's me and I like Oz as a whole.
"It also makes Harvey a much more relatable guy and we actually feel bad watching his descent into madness."
The Long Halloween, B: TAS, The Dark Knight trilogy...though I guess those can be subjective in terms of how much you relate to and/or like Harvey and sympathize with him as he becomes Two-Face. But the essence of tragedy is always there.
He might have we don't know yet.
I do think what you are asking for is kind of impossible. He will definately show up if TT gets season 2.
I don't think anyone should be surprised that Batman's Archenemy is near-ubiquitous in Batman media, even if that is part of the reason for the complaints about him being "overused."
I mean, I get that people might be upset or annoyed at seeing him in such a direct way if you'd rather Telltale hold off on him in a first season of a possible continuing series given how easily he can hog the spotlight or the large degree of attention he already gets as a villain (and throwing the Joker in there is kind of the obvious thing to do). But it shouldn't be surprising that Batman's nemesis would appear in some form in a major Batman media adaption.
Personally, I maybe would've preferred just teases or foreshadowing rather then an actual physical Joker appearance, but I'm definitely interested to see how Telltale will handle him and have no doubt that he won't overshadow the rest of the story outside his scenes in Arkham.
Do you think we are going to get any screenshots? I dont think a trailer ever came out before screenshots before...
I mean, right now he's just a crazy guy in prison pajamas. What do you expect? I'd be interested to see Telltale's version of a fully costumed Joker, though! I think his face is pretty foreboding already and messed up makeup would really bring that out.
I'd be so interested to see how different the dynamic is between Bruce and Harvey and Batman and Harvey if Harvey isn't burned. He practically worships Batman, so I wonder if Batman would have a stronger sway or if Harvey would just go nuts thinking his hero isn't really on his side.
I'm much more interested in the trajectory unburned Harvey than burned Harvey. I'm glad I made the choice I did!
I guess it would be easier if I understood any of the appeal at all but he's always just annoyed me.
And I disagree that overused means he has outlived any potential story usage, just that he has been overexposed and it would be better if he faded into the background for awhile. He doesn't NEED to be in everything and yet somehow he is.