Fuck ****** [Ep 5 Spoilers]

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  • As much as I'd like to, something feels weird to me about replaying the scene to get the positive response from Selina. Replaying feels like "I'm going to say something else just so you'll like me better" and I can't quite shake it.

    Even though she reacts negatively to a confession, I also don't think it's all that crazy or wrong for Bruce to be genuine and say what he (and the player) thinks he's feeling in that moment.

    So I’m staying in desperate loserville, dammit. There is also something I'm coming to like about having Selina shut my boy down hard. I guess it's the fact that sometimes, that’s life.

  • As much as I never want to change my original choices, I really dont want to have a bad relationship with Selina just because I chose the wrong thing. I think its mostly because if you say "I love you" she doesnt just shut you down, she goes into full "Fuck you mode."

    Ill still need wait and see if they even make a season 2 or DLC to Batman, but honestly the most alarming part and one of the main reason want to replay that part is because the codex says that they are now "ARCH NEMESIS ENEMIES." Alright, that was an exaggeration but it does say that Bruce now sees her as an enemy, and will treat her like that next time they meet, which I as the player don't want or see it as.

    Dozurany posted: »

    As much as I'd like to, something feels weird to me about replaying the scene to get the positive response from Selina. Replaying feels lik

  • I actually neglected to look at the codex because ain't got time for that, but that does sound way out of proportion. It's also weird to imagine Bruce typing that in there. Like damn, I know it sucks, but chill.

    Poogers555 posted: »

    As much as I never want to change my original choices, I really dont want to have a bad relationship with Selina just because I chose the wr

  • I know. I looked at the codex after finishing, and I really dont like how that happens if you say that. I can see her saying something like "okay yeah whatever you loser" but I mean, then it becomes hostile as hell. Like, chill.

    Like I said, I dont like to replay episodes because my choice didnt work out, but I mean, I really dont want to continue the story with them being "enemies" when I dont see it that way at all, not to mention after how I was running such a pro selina game just to fuck it up on a 25% chance of choosing the wrong option.

    I should have remembered Tales from the Borderlands and how you need to be specific as hell sometimes to get what you're after. Now this one screw up is going to bother me forever!

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    Dozurany posted: »

    I actually neglected to look at the codex because ain't got time for that, but that does sound way out of proportion. It's also weird to imagine Bruce typing that in there. Like damn, I know it sucks, but chill.

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    The codex entry made sense with the way i played the scene.

  • Good point as far as season 2. While we're a long ways away from a second one, I also don't want to start off as bitter enemies either. Ugh.

    Don't punish us, Telltale. DLC is a good idea. We can still glue this vase back together! We know where she lives, don't we? All the movies say that low key stalking helps

    Poogers555 posted: »

    I know. I looked at the codex after finishing, and I really dont like how that happens if you say that. I can see her saying something like

  • For me it didnt make that much sense. I thought I would pull a "but I love you!" and it wouldnt matter at all, but apparently that makes everything go 0 to 100. Basically it didnt really make so much sense for me that Bruce would consider Selina an enemy no matter what happens next time they meet.

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    The codex entry made sense with the way i played the scene.

  • Honestly Im kinda wondering if season 2 will be a "DLC"

    Think about it, the menus are alot different from before, and instead of making a new game, they could just make season 2 an expansion. Sadly Im already really missing Batman, and although I doubt it will happen, Id love it if season 2 somehow managed to come out as fast as Minecraft Story Mode's DLC came out.

    Dozurany posted: »

    Good point as far as season 2. While we're a long ways away from a second one, I also don't want to start off as bitter enemies either. Ug

  • She also warned you not to trust her in episode 2.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Selina repeated one line time and time again. She doesn't like commitment. What did you guys expect. Too early in the conversation for the line you guys choose. Always let her choose, before you do.

  • I agree I poured my heart out to her and she was so damn cold. Second playthrough treated her like crap and she acted like me being rude was the reason she was leaving.

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    She doesn't like commitment yet I felt that Bruce looked at her as someone that could understand him. A woman that he could help as she was troubled as he was. A woman that wasn't just after his money, yet in the end, she was. I pretended that I knew her for months and I bonded with her in weird ways. Fighting together in a bar scene, fighting together against Harvey, etc. They are disfunctional people and that's what I liked about her. She doesn't like commitment from most men and Bruce thought that he was different. I chose the I love you option, then when she told me I was a mark and like everyone else, I saw the real her. Not just a thief, criminal, woman, a very evil woman that kissed men as they wrote her checks, took their money with a smile, left them like trash in the street. I told her that it was over and to leave me alone. I kept crying after that and when she told me that I started to cry badly lol.

  • She loves playing, and you have to outplay her for a reward.

    She also warned you not to trust her in episode 2.

  • edited December 2016

    You know for a fact that she wanted to hear that Bruce still believed in her but I toyed with her emotions just like she had toyed with Harvey and Bruce's and told her she was nothing more then a thief.

  • I don't have any regrets, in my opinion this added depth to my Bruce as a prequel and as to why Batman has an uneasy relationship with Catwoman.

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    You know for a fact that she wanted to hear that Bruce still believed in her but I toyed with her emotions just like she had toyed with Harvey and Bruce's and told her she was nothing more then a thief.

  • The part where she admitted that she went after Harvey in the first place to meet Bruce so she could steal from him and casually talked about how desperate Harvey was to fall in love was pretty bad

    I really wish we had the ability to criticize her for that, because that genuinely angered me.

    Sarah1281 posted: »

    Maybe it was that I didn't sleep with her and certainly didn't fall in love with her but liked her well enough (and totally would have slept

  • I'm assuming most players wanted to see this type of conversation?

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  • No. My Wayne wanted Vicki Vale as his love interest but the Telltale Games wanted something else so they forced the story their way even if I did things opposite. Yeah very "This-game-series-adapts-to-the-choices-you-make-The-story-is-tailored-by-how-you-play.” BS. The whole Vicki Vale villain story was silly and ridiculous as it could be. Jeez.

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    I'm assuming most players wanted to see this type of conversation?

  • edited December 2016

    I wanted to romance Vicki too but even if our choices really did matter i don't think turning on the charm could change the story when the person you're trying to charm is the set in stone villain.

    Insert2 posted: »

    No. My Wayne wanted Vicki Vale as his love interest but the Telltale Games wanted something else so they forced the story their way even if

  • Their comment was so good they were removed before they could kill anyone with their comedic genius.

    Hawkes posted: »

    Yeah, fuck selina I know I did.

  • edited December 2016

    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fan fiction, of course Selina was gonna give you the cold shoulder, Batman's entire existence is loneliness. What'd you think, he was gonna get married and let Vicki fuck everything up? This is a superhero series, not a romantic drama. It made more sense with Tales and Wolf because those games had chemistry and elements to give it romantic scenes. This game does not, neither does the concept. Everyone Batman loves either dies, betrays him or leaves him. Period.

  • It does not have to be this way. Batman is not set in stone and Telltale should be free to change some of his caracteristics like romances.

    He would not be any less of a Batman.

    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fa

  • Me just throwing my 2 cents in, but Telltale's "romance" was alot better in this game than Tales for 2 reasons.

    For one, when you denied the romance it actually feels like you did. You stop it from happening, and thats it, no more random parts where the game acts like even though you said no, that its still going to supply you with plenty of more random romance parts that you are stuck in against your will.

    Second, at least this time the romance was important to the plot. Bruce sleeping with Selina or looking like he did was important. It was what finally pushes Harvey into the deep end. On the other hand, the romance in Tales was not needed at all, and the story would have worked just as good without it. The romance in Tales never once had a real major important part in the plot that made it so necessary for the game to push it on the player so much.

    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fa

  • I don't think giving Vicki a backstory where the entire time she's playing you and she hates you because your father had her parents murdered and ruined her life and she ended up in foster care for some reason despite probably being super rich and no indication the Waynes stole her money as well and she was abused by the system is ignoring you choices. There's really not anything Bruce could have done to end up dating her that soon after she was out attacking the whole city. Like literally the best you could have ever gotten was getting her to stop trying to destroy your life and even that's pretty far out of your reach and the game didn't give you the option.

    How is giving her quotes and being nice to her going to overcome years of what she went through due to the actions of your father?

    Insert2 posted: »

    No. My Wayne wanted Vicki Vale as his love interest but the Telltale Games wanted something else so they forced the story their way even if

  • edited December 2016

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    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fa

  • "Batman's entire existence is lonelinesss" doesn't really compute with Batman having several adopted children and a bunch of friends in the Justice League and several on and off love interests. None of that is true in this game but that's how he is in plenty of comics. He can't really be a hero if he gets over his trauma with his parents, I guess, since he never is but he doesn't need to be lonely to go out there and save the day.

    And Bruce can have a girlfriend and, yes, even get married (though likely not that soon into the relationship) without it automatically being badly done or unconvincing. In fact, Bruce has gotten married to Selina specifically a few times in the comics. He's even had a daughter with her on a few occasions and a son with Talia. Superheroing and romance are hardly mutually exclusive.

    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fa

  • Very well put. Batman is a human being after all and I would certainly love to see romances being better explored in the next season.

    Sarah1281 posted: »

    "Batman's entire existence is lonelinesss" doesn't really compute with Batman having several adopted children and a bunch of friends in the

  • edited December 2016

    There's romances all over the place in comic books. Including Batman. I should know, i read enough of them. As mentioned previously, Bruce has a son who's the current Robin and maybe even a daughter with Selina. (They left the father's true identity unsolved)

    I'm just surprised people thought a hardcore detective/crime fighting series was going to devolve into some 12 year old's romantic Batman fa

  • You mean in the new 52 ? It's implied Bruce is the father.

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    There's romances all over the place in comic books. Including Batman. I should know, i read enough of them. As mentioned previously, Bruce h

  • This is before the New 52. The father was either Bruce or Sam Bradley, Jr. It was still heavily implied that it was Bruce's but the New 52 erased her from existence.

    You mean in the new 52 ? It's implied Bruce is the father.

  • edited December 2016

    You'd have to be really desperate for BatCat if you said you loved her. Come on you should know better than to say that to her at this point!

    Plus, Bruce loving Selina all of a sudden would make less sense than Christa somehow not seeing Kenny escape down a bright alleyway.

  • I just felt that saying "I love you" would be going the wrong road. The issue with Selina is facing that there is more to her than simply being a thief. Throwing love into it wasn't going to help that point. So I just went with what felt right and what would make the best argument. Focus on her saving Batman's life. If all she wanted was the key then letting Batman die in that warehouse would have been the best option. She can make logic try to fit, but if she was as bad a person as she tries to convince herself that she is....saving him wasn't the choice she'd really make.

    Sure I would have liked to get a big romance going. But I figured focusing on the logic would help more. Get her thinking a bit about who she really is and the kind of person she can be.

  • Or even if she was a better person than letting Bruce die, she had two or three days where Bruce was at Arkham and Oz had just taken over Wayne Enterprises and didn't yet know all he had that she could easily take it. But nope, she waits until a few days after Bruce is back and he's getting his life back in order.

    FlareKnight posted: »

    I just felt that saying "I love you" would be going the wrong road. The issue with Selina is facing that there is more to her than simply be

  • I regret following Batcat.

    Yeah. I dont really care about her anymore

  • It was another way of Telltale removing any form of significant consequences from your game.

    I may write an angry blog about this.

  • Instead of Bruce saying he loves Selina, he should say why he loves her and doesn't see her as just a thief (she knows she's not just a thief). She gives you a ton of hints on getting the line correct.

  • Or he should say he really likes her or thinks he could if she's going to freak out at a love confession from the guy she met a month ago.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Instead of Bruce saying he loves Selina, he should say why he loves her and doesn't see her as just a thief (she knows she's not just a thief). She gives you a ton of hints on getting the line correct.

  • edited December 2016

    The correct line for me was confirming that she was nothing more then a thief. You can hear the hurt in her voice.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Instead of Bruce saying he loves Selina, he should say why he loves her and doesn't see her as just a thief (she knows she's not just a thief). She gives you a ton of hints on getting the line correct.

  • I just finished my first playthrough, and was just wondering.

    There are 3 options for player's Batman to choose (when Selina asks why Bruce thinks she's more than just a thief):

    1. You saved my life.

    2. We make a great team.

    3. I love you.

    I first tried the confession option, and her reaction was so bad (and that codex entry where they become enemies again - just didn't make sense), that I restarted episode 5 and chose option 1 (saved my life). Her reaction to that was much more positive, and they sorta leave on a good note (with Selina sending Bruce a postcard, and codex saying Bruce looks forward to their next meet.

    Is Option 2 (great team) any better?

    LukaszB posted: »

    Instead of Bruce saying he loves Selina, he should say why he loves her and doesn't see her as just a thief (she knows she's not just a thief). She gives you a ton of hints on getting the line correct.

  • Hurt in her voice means wrong line. She does give in, since she is testing your memory. She gives one hint, she says "I ain't no hero" which we all know that in Bruce's mind that is a lie. She was heroic during the debate, and she saved Bruce at the Train Debot. Both those answers are good. She's a thief that cares.

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    The correct line for me was confirming that she was nothing more then a thief. You can hear the hurt in her voice.

  • edited December 2016

    It wasn't the wrong line for my Bruce. My Bruce came to see her as nothing more then a thief. Harvey, Oswald and Selina had all let him down. So i created a Bruce who no longer feels the need for friendship or romantic connections. Shut off to everyone. He doesn't trust anyone anymore.

    LukaszB posted: »

    Hurt in her voice means wrong line. She does give in, since she is testing your memory. She gives one hint, she says "I ain't no hero" which

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