What do you expect from Cats in episode three?
What are your impressions of Selina?
How did you end things with her in season one?
Why do you think she is back for this season?
What are your feelings about her being back?
I'll start this off by answering my questions.
Selina is intriguing - her philosophy on life, how she got to have such a bleak view of mankind has me curious about her backstory. I hate how she reacts to you if you tell her that you love her, and how she responds if you say that you agree with her about only being a thief. I admire her for living by her own code, and being strong and independent. I think that she does have feelings for Bruce, not enough to stay in Gotham to be in a relationship with him or to become a hero... but someone who she can be herself around, who doesn't (depending on your play) hate her. I think there are limits to what she's willing to do and that she has her own moral code (however murky it may seem to us) that she lives by. I don't think she would hurt Bruce unless out of self-preservation, and she'd try really hard not to let it get that far.
In one of my saves, Bruce sleeps with Selina and then makes no demands on her and they are friends. I also have a save where Bruce tells Selina that he just wants to be friends. I wonder whether Selina respects that decision or not. I'd have liked to have known.
I don't know why she'd be back for this season, but I am so SO curious about it. I suppose it might be that word gets out that Bruce is in trouble and she comes back to rescue him. Or... that the Agency uses her to get something from the pact... Or, the pact has hired her to do something for them.
I'm looking forward to her coming back. As Bruce says, it's fun sparring with her. I do think she is going to be helping us, not hurting us. Plus, this is a person Bruce can sort of be himself around, which in my book is an excellent thing.
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I expect she'll be very alluring and make me really wish that I slept with her in season 1. Damn you, bro code! XD
I don't know what to expect from her. Whatever her reasons for returning are I expect it's for her own benefit.
I love Selina, so I'm glad she's coming back.
The annoying thing is, even if you didn't sleep with her Harvey goes crazy on you and his paranoia prevents him from believing you... so why not?
Well I know that my Bruce didn't betray him. That's what's important here. I can say that my Bruce didn't betray him.
Personally, I want nothing to do with Selina. I told her exactly how I felt about her (Nothing but a thief) at the end of season 1 and those feelings still hold true for me. They'll be no sympathy, flirting or sex from me this time. Like she said, we're right back where we started. Enemies.
My Bruce had pretty mixed feelings about her... evidently she doesn't consider romance overly significant when she could toy with Harvey's affections that easily. But they started to kiss in the apartment before he withdrew (I hadn't kissed her earlier). They ended up as friends. My Bruce thinks she's a good person and could do some good if she tried, but he's uncertain whether he really wants to have a more personal relationship with her, considering they often on opposite ends of the law. So we'll see.
My Bruce was/is in love with Harvey, so he avoided her advances and friend-zoned her manipulative, femme fatale ass. When she comes sniffing back around, I'll see if she wants to team up to crush some baddies, but that's about all I want from her.
Since she is a bad guy and uses people to meet her goals I won't be kind to her.
Also since I am not turned on by computer game characters all her flirty tricks do not tempt my Bruce
I hooked up with her in s1 but ended up regretting it because of how it destroyed Harvey. Then she showed no remorse for him, refused to help me save Gotham, and stole from me. I called her nothing more than a theif, my Bruce couldn't be close to someone like her again.
I hope it has a huge impact on my story. Maybe instead of a cheesy romance plot Selina will be much more antagonistic towards Bruce, while deep down having some feelings still. All in all though I think she is nothing but trouble and I dont think her coming back will be a good thing.
I'm hoping for her to end up in Waller's sight. I'll be happy to comply.
She deserves some sympathy for rescuing her but if she is working for The Pact well she can't expect not to end up in a cell. My Batman won't make an exception for her, she crosses our line she gets jailed.
She is not worth protecting.
He will be frustrated regardless so at least you earned a hella night.
I really want to see her as a companion and I hope she will team up with us against the bad guys like she did in season 1.
She will probably get hired by Joker or Harley and she will meet with us again. Depending on left as friends or enemies, her reaction will be different and she will spy on Joker and let you know about his plans or she will act like shit and will cause problems and probably ending up rat you out.
Wow... so much hate for the Cat... Also, I suppose it's quite hetero-normative of me, but I never thought of Bruce as possibly being gay or bi. In every iteration of Batman, he's been straight.
I know she's very popular among a lot of fans, but the most that I can say is that she'll have my mercy. She manipulated and hurt Harvey for an introduction to Bruce. Sure, she'll sleep with him, but every ounce of relationship was built on the same scam she was running on Harvey. She was always going to steal from Bruce Wayne.
Do I feel sorry for her? Absolutely. But their relationship is toxic just like every other relationship based on the premise that ' I can change them '. We're on friendly terms, but for how long I guess will depend on when and why she appears again.
I'm positive she will be sent by The Pact to distract Bruce/Batman. I don't trust her one bit, whatever token act of kindness she will bring herself to show is motivated. Once again she will try to play us for a fool like she always does.
I assume this is the, ahem, "shocking" revelation the episode 4 description is referring to.
Yeah, what a shock indeed.
I honestly expect the shock to be something about Avesta. She seems a little too good to be true.
Well that's a possibility, this would not be the first time Telltale resorts to that kind of trickery. Remember Vicki Vale.
But still one character really likely to betray us is definitely Catwoman. Hell, I trust Waller more than the cat burglar.
Totally agree with you, the best option is to continue as at first with her, enemies.
Perhaps that shocking moment is that Amanda Waller reveals to everyone that Batman is Bruce Wayne. Having refused to cooperate with her or any of that, since I think she will manipulate us with the issue of our identity so that we work with her and there will be a moment when we have to choose and maybe our decision has an impact or another .
The episode 4 description seems to imply that this is going to happen regardless of our choices.
Why do you expect Cats to betray Bruce?
I have two saves, one where my Bruce tells her he loves her and she leaves angrily and another where they kiss. Both times I told her she was more then a thief after everything we had been through.
I expect when she pops back up again this season that she'll be working with Pact and that's how we cross paths with her. If you ended on good terms with her I imagine she'll be very flirty and more conflicted about what she's doing, while if you didn't she'll be a more direct antagonist.
I do wonder if we'll be faced with a pivotal choice over whether to let Selina go or bring her in to the authorities. It seems like something Waller would push us on.
Your predictions make sense to me. I could see Selina being very apologetic about working against Bruce, but keeping her word to her clients... or being a direct antagonist if you left things on a bad note with her.
Makes me glad I left things on a bad note with her. There will be no confusion and flirtation, I know she is in town to do something bad. I wont let my guard down at all.
She will come and go, like she always do, like she have been doing in the comics for years. Selina is free is a way that very few characters are, even when it comes to superheroes. I admire that about her.
And I ship the Bat with the Cat. Always had, always will. She cares about Bruce, and she is one of the few people Bruce can be himself when with her, because both of them have become their masks. All her talk about it being all a scam, that she is just a thief, I didn't believe her for a second. And it isn't only because I know her from other iterations, but also because I've grown used to TellTale and I know they do not throw away animations. Facial expressions and body language actually mean stuff.
My Bruce parted with her in good terms. She sent him a card in the end of the game. If she shows up again, my Bruce will be happy to see her, but I know it won't last because she comes and goes as she pleases, and I love this about her.
I tried to make my approach as most Batman-like as possible.
In the comics and other-games we can see Batman having this crush with catwoman, and it has gotten to the point of kissing as far as I know, but then Batman refuses further interaction.
So I refused kissing her after the bar fight, then I did kiss her at her apartment, then I said I wanted to be just friends, and finally refused to sleep with her.
During the game I kept insisting that we make a great team, that she has more to her than her facade, that she is more than just a simple thief, because she saved my life. I kept telling her she could take care of herself too. At the end, I told her that we make a good team, and that she is more than just a thief. They left in good terms.
I think Batman wouldn't be blind to her ambiguous personality, since she is inclined to being on her own side (stealing and allowing people to die). Then again she can also make a great ally against the villains, and they work great together.
I gasped when that happened.
I really don't trust Avesta. I also don't like Lucius' daughter (that whole edgy teenage genius thing, so overused and annoying in my opinion) but I know she will be useful later on so.
I enjoyed working together with her, it's true. I told her that she's more than a thief. Selina is a smart and skilled fighter, so if we manage to get her at our side, it would be great. But romantic relationship? Hell no. I absolutely don't regret rejecting her.
Because she did it once and she is all about self preservation. Does not matter how you interact with her.
I'm 100% banking on it.
It's just, in some of the stories, Bruce is so lonely... why not give him these moments of connection?
I agree, she could make for a great ally. Maybe he just needs to hire her?
Are you saying that her stealing that skeleton key was the equivalent of her betraying him? She didn't tell Penguin or Lady Arkham. Neither one knew he was Batman, not until (or if) Bruce took the mask off.
His trust maybe, but to betray his secret and then put his life in danger is a different thing. I don't think she would endanger him.
Yeah, not so sure I trust Avesta either.
What? I love Tiffany's hair, but thought the clothes were a little old/mature for a 22 year-old.
There is no denying those scenes of both that were brutal, that kind of tension and flirting in all the scenes of both that I personally loved, but that end of Selina was very disappointing, since I had been using Harvey to do so Get to Bruce Wayne. His only intention was to try to get something from us from the beginning, and so he manipulated us, not to mention the emotional damage he did to Harvey.
Let me put it this way : don't you think the timing is quite.....uncanny ? Selina stealing a key she gives away without struggle and Alfred being abducted in the meantime ?
Nah, I don't buy this is a coincidence. She was sent by the CoA to get him out of the manor.
And if he comes back, I would like to see a more mature Selina emotionally, I do not know ... But I know it will not be like that and if he goes back to Gotham it's because he's going to be back in 2 or even 3, Batman, John Doe And the Agency, will work for whoever suits you.
I assume he's going to be playing on several sides, he'll play Batman, John Doe and his group, and he'll also work with the Agency to clean up his record or something.
Maybe she gave up the key because she realized that she could lose if she fought Bruce.
As I reminded you earlier, neither Lady Arkham or Penguin knew that Bruce was Batman. Oswald is disappointed when it's Bruce who shows up at the park, instead of Batman. Vicki is shocked when Batman takes his mask off, and realizes it's Bruce. They didn't know, and Selina didn't tell them of his identity. Why would they have needed Bruce out of his house for them to abduct Alfred? Doesn't the world just think of Bruce as a playboy, not a martial arts expert? Maybe, just maybe, Vicki went to Wayne manor hoping to abduct both Bruce and Alfred, and only finding Alfred, took Alfred.
Vicki wanted Bruce to suffer, and knew that Alfred mattered to Bruce, which is why she wanted to abduct Alfred - so she could take away Bruce's family the way that Thomas did to her.
Also, how would the CoA have known that there was a tracking device on the skeleton key?
I think that maybe Selina could have wanted the key just for herself.
That whole "cleaning up her record" thing happened in the Dark Knight Rises. I hope they don't reuse that. Besides, this Selina doesn't seem to have a whole lot of remorse about what she currently is. She does seem to show some regret about hurting good people. I wish we knew under what circumstances she did that, so we could better judge the state of her (for lack of a better word) soul. If Selina is working with the agency, I think it would be to keep herself out of prison. Like, maybe someone betrayed her and the agency caught her...
I am dying to know why Selina is back.
I really wish that there was another outcome for staying silent in the final choice with Selina.
Because that’s what I did. The way the game prompted this choice made me feel like Selina was looking for approval. So while that suggests that she cares a lot more about what Bruce thinks of her than she lets on, by that point, I was honestly tired of her shit.
Selina hurts people- Harvey and Bruce- and in episode five brushes it off, amused. And you expect me to grovel at her feet? No. On a second playthrough I chose the [you’re more than that] option and it just felt wrong.
I am open to the interpretation that we did see the true Selina in episode three, but she realised she was in over her head and her final speech was an attempt to put her guard back up. But if this is the case, I don’t think it was portrayed very well.
Staying silent gives you the outcome of regarding her as nothing more than a thief. I don’t agree with this, and I would have appreciated another dialogue option after it to explain ourselves, but alas. I still have faith in her, and I hope that I can repair Bruce and Selina’s relationship in S2.