Reasons for giving up Alfred
When it came down to choosing between giving up Alfred or Batman. I chose to give up on Alfred. It did hurt when making this decision but I chose this because:
- After all the destruction that the Pact and Joker cause, there would be a power vacuum and a rise in crime.
- I got my partnership with Jim back
- Waller and I left on a good note as allies
- I'm now Tiffany's mentor and I want to train her
But the main reason I chose to give up Alfred was because from the all the stories I've seen of Batman, he always comes back no matter what.
I would also like to add that this was the vigilante route.
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Alfred is a drama queen.
I gave up Alfred because after seeing every versions of him I don't want Alfred to suffer as I go along as Batman
It wouldnt be fun anymore without being batman
It's such a difficult personal choice to make. Ultimately, I decided not to in my 'canon' play through which is just my first one with whatever choices I made in the moment - no going back. But I do have a game save that I did leave Alfred behind.
My reasons for giving up Batman -
I feel like this way I can return when called for, but with better balance.
My reasons for giving up Alfred -
I had the vigilante route and I gave up Alfred as well for a lot of the same reasons.
Bruce had just taken on Tiffany as a protege and reformed his partnership with Jim. It would be uncharacteristic for Batman to suddenly disappear. Alfred was also being rather emotionally manipulative. He had encouraged us to find allies all season, to use John for our own gain, and to generally continue on the crusade no matter the costs. The most he hinted at was wanting a vacation, which would be totally understandable. But suddenly once we emerge victorious he starts going off on how Bruce is like Thomas and how he simply can't stand it anymore. It left a bad taste in my mouth. Plus Batman does a lot more good than bad, and Gotham would suffer for it if Batman disappeared.
The kicker is that even if you give up your Batman crusade for his sake, he reluctantly agrees to maybe just one more night at Wayne Manor. You simply can't please the guy.
Why did i let Alfred leave? Because. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few.
I let Alfred go, and I don't regret it. I didn't appreciate his trying to blame me or at least put some of the blame on me for all the bad things in Gotham or for all of the villains. Did I have some blame in the creation on Joker? Some, yes. I don't deny that, but I did try to help John in every way I could until he went too far.
But I'm not responsible and shouldn't be held accountable for Two-Face, Penguin, Lady Arkham, etc...
Batman helps the city and the people. He does good. There are mistakes along the way, sure, but think of how much worse Gotham would've been had he not been around.
Besides, perhaps Alfred will be happier this way. He can lead his own life and rest and enjoy himself.
Alfred was being a hypocrite and an idiot. Gladly told him to piss off in my 2nd play through.
Yeah, I had to let him go for a lot of those reasons. I didn't blame him too much for reaching his limit. He's old and seen a lot of nightmares. But I do think he had logical holes in his arguments. I reminded him that he was for using John in the early going and he comes back with "well if I knew how it would turn out...." Same here Alfred!
If Batman created all the villains in this game much less the first two then I might agree. But most of the villains we ran into here with the Pact...had nothing to do with Batman! Batman didn't create the Riddler, or Bane, or Harley, or bio terrorists! He created the Joker and that is fair to note. But the city would be far worse without Batman. Heck just trying to solve things as Bruce Wayne and using money.....just started the road down towards Two Face and the Children of Arkham. Some things can't be solved with money and good wishes.
It hurts to lose Alfred, but Batman has obligations. Just patched things up with Jim, things are fine with Catwoman, Tiffany needs mentoring, etc. There is just way too much that can't be instantly dropped. Alfred might be done, but Batman isn't.
I agree with pretty much all this
I use all four of the save files you have with the game and i title them as follows.
Save File 1 re-named Good Batman
Save File 2 re-named Bad Batman
Save File 3 re-named Good And Bad Batman
Save File 4 re-named 50/50 Batman
Good Batman - Gave up Alfred because as he pointed out to Alfred during their conversation there was evil before Batman and without him there would be even more (at least he thinks so) An as much as he loves Alfred he can't give up Batman not because he considers himself more Batman than Bruce but simply because he can't risk/allow Gotham to go back to how it was before not if he knows that he can stop it from happening.
Bad Batman - didn't even give Alfred a chance to explain he simply told him to leave due to the fact he isn't interested in hearing Alfred's excuses. Especially seeing as how as far as he is concerned Alfred already let him down by keeping the truth about his parents secret from him. This version considers Batman to be who he really is and Bruce Wayne is the mask he wears. He also see's things in a black and white way that way being your either with him or useful to him or your against him or your not useful to him. He doesn't care who he has to use Gordon Waller Selina Alfred John Doe. He doesn't care what he has to do whether it is brutalize Falcone break a sniper's arm or sacrifice some Agents so long as it get's the job done he is willing to do it.
Good and Bad Batman - He gave up Batman for Alfred because as important to him as what he does as Batman is it is not worth losing the only family he has left and besides he has already proven he doesn't need armour to do good he proved that when he defeated Penguin as Bruce Wayne and defeated Lady Arkham in a prototype version of the Batsuit.
50/50 - Gave up Alfred because as much of a 'thrill' as he get's being Batman (yes when Catwoman asked him at the start of episode 1 why he does what he does I had him say he does it for the thrill so this Bruce Wayne is an adrenaline junkie) An as much of an adrenaline rush as he get's being Batman he isn't willing to sacrifice his relationship with Alfred for it hence he reason why he gave up Batman.
I felt that Alfred's accusations were unfair, especially in the Joker Vigilante route. Lady Arkham and Penguin were created by Thomas Wayne's evil deeds. Harvey Dent already had a split personality and had no qualms betraying Bruce even before the Selina affair. Riddler was active 20 years before Batman's time. The only 'villain' Batman created was Joker; but if only Alfred had seen the alternative Joker Villain route, Bruce really did a lot to rein in John Doe and turn him into his potentially most powerful ally.
In the Joker Villain route, I'd give up Batman for sure because it wasn't just Alfred who lost faith in Batman; Gordon also lost faith in him.
Anyway, I gave up Batman in the Vigilante route as I think it's high time for Bruce to lead a normal life for awhile, take a vacation with Alfred, settle down with Selina and start a family. Alfred is too important to give up. In my playthrough, Bruce has assembled a formidable team of allies who can well be Batman's proxies in times of trouble: John Doe (Robin), Tiffany (Batgirl), Selina, Freeze, Rumi Mori, Avesta (Oracle IF she proves her worth + doesn't turn into Talia Al Ghul), Vernon Blake (Nightwing), Gordon, Renee Montoya (Batwoman), Willy. John Doe has proven time and again to be far more intelligent, far better at criminal investigation than Bruce with all his tech. Imagine if he can become Batman's Robin. Very formidable.
Alfred will change his mind if danger emerges again, e.g. League of Shadows + Talia from Bruce's past comes to haunt him and take over the city, and/or Waller's Suicide Squad expands, and/or Hush emerges and cuts out Selina's heart.
I gave up Batman because it's heart-warming to see Alfred named as "Family" in the final outcome. We have to take TEW as the ultimate end for this universe, since Telltale is under new management and the original creative team has dispersed.
Like most people here I picked batman over Alfred. In this game he is not that connected to batman unlike the first game although if it were the first game I would have gave up batman. I made some poor choices trying to maintain a good relationship with everyone in the game I mean it's sort of like a cannon event (I forgot what it's really called) I tried making Joker happy so he doesn't become bad that went up in flames, although with Gordon and some others besides the pact , Catwoman and now Alfred it went like I hoped . It's a tough choice but I feel like I made the right choice. What I mean by most of this is that Alfred was right I endangered every character in the game. But the way he phrases it got on my nerves. He was with me on it he gave tips like "John looks up to Batman maybe you should pay him a visit and get him to give you the laptop".
It's more his fault then mine that most of this happened. Not to mention I helped keep Alfred calm in the end of the first game where he said this was his fault. At the end of every episode I left Alfred as 'Proud' besides of course the last one, he liked what I picked. His opinion mattered most to me than anyone else's in this game. He basically said I wasn't doing any good, as he did to whoever got that far in the game, but I've seen the alternate versions it was worse. I tried playing this game as if I, was batman I didn't look at Bruce's pov in my mind I said what would I do. Obviously knowing joker would become eventually a bad guy I tried to push him away from that as I mentioned earlier cannon event it was ment to happen. I feel like I haven't discussed much about the choice but more on my experience playing the game. I feel like I picked Batman out of spite more than anything else obviously I took other things into consideration eg the damage that needed fixing, mentoring the next hero unfortunately for batman not spending time with Catwoman as I've seen someone that managed to also score that. Mine wasn't the best ending and we only see this part of Alfred we don't see the part were he raised Bruce. So my opinion was a bit biased as well. I tried convincing him to just stay only living in the house but that didn't work out. I don't see how he is not going to worry tho when he's out on the beach reading a book in his mind he wouldn't know if Batman's dead.
To conclude. I felt betrayed when Alfred said those things comparing me to a criminal saying I was a disappointment and that I wasn't really doing any good. I don't know what else he could have wanted from Bruce I saved people if that virus went un noticed possibly most of Gotham would have died, than he would say you should have helped. Although it was Bruce that picked being Batman in the beginning it was Alfred who encouraged me to let Tiffany help and he blamed it all on me in the end. What was going to happen if I picked Alfred? Perhaps criminals would rob his manor considering he's a rich man with no security guards or anything both me and Alfred would have died in that situation. There are more where it they end up sad. Without a proper mentor who knows what Tiffany could do. I don't see a happy ending to that choice I've lost Catwoman as I mentioned so there's no starting a family and also Alfred is old bruh like 10 years tops untill he dies. What's gonna happen after that I go back to being Batman so in reality I would have not given up Batman. At the end of the day he is old it's about time he retires and he has been loyal to Bruce and caring in every way imaginable. I thought about that and if there will be a next batman telltale game considering it uses saved data from the previous games it would be inevitable that Bruce puts on the cowl and I think that in that game Alfred would have died. So I think Batman > Alfred is the right choice