Hit the pipe?

I can't manage to do it to get the "soup" to roll down. I have been trying this puzzle for over an hour and I'm assuming a bad puzzle design, but I really need to do this.
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  • edited December 2010
    you have to make young doc help you with the door, once he puts his contraption at the door to keep the tables still, go make cueball add spice to the soup, then go and hit the pipe
  • edited December 2010
    done the contraption, made him add spice, i click on the pipe and he just talks. i honestly have no clue what to do
  • edited December 2010
    I can't manage to do it to get the "soup" to roll down. I have been trying this puzzle for over an hour and I'm assuming a bad puzzle design, but I really need to do this.

    1. Please use spoiler tags.

    2. Solution:
    A. Have Emmett make a door jamb (He will say Eureka when he is done)
    B. Have the cook spice the soup (any spice is fine)
    C. Hit the pipe.
    The Jamb will hold up the card tables, the spice rack in use will have moved the cart, so that when the ring is sounded the barrels ill tip instead of fall to the cellar below.
  • edited December 2010
    ah, i think you have to see him get the barrels down the elevator first, try to exit and that girl will come and take some barrels, then they'll have to replenish. Maybe that's what you'r missing
  • edited December 2010
    wait round the coner of the soup kitchen with doc and just stand there till you see a cut scene where the lift goes down
  • edited December 2010
    Some of these puzzles aren't very intuitive.
  • edited December 2010
    Well, to be honest, it is difficult to remember forum ettiquite when the game won't work.

    I have the door jam in place
    Cook is adding the spice
    I hit the pipe click the pipe

    "Looks like these pipes go into the basement..."

    WHAAT DO I DO I REALLY WANT TO PROCEED




    @ kanoba I just have to STAND THERE?
  • edited December 2010
    Well, to be honest, it is difficult to remember forum ettiquite when the game won't work.

    I have the door jam in place
    Cook is adding the spice
    I hit the pipe click the pipe

    "Looks like these pipes go into the basement..."

    WHAAT DO I DO I REALLY WANT TO PROCEED

    Ah! I know what your problem is.
    You have to leave the kitchen and talk with Edna about her soup racketeering first.
  • edited December 2010
    "Some of these puzzles aren't very intuitive."

    Haha, the beauty of adventure gaming, my friend. You should have seen some of the puzzles during the SPACEQUEST games.
  • edited December 2010
    i think you'r missing a scene, dont remember exactly what i did, but at some point you see than they use an elevator when the pipe is hit to lower the barrels of liquor. Try talking with emett untill every option is done, fool arround a little out of sight from cueball and that scene should pop up, also try to exit the place to get the scene with the girl picking up the barrels.
  • edited December 2010
    ok, i did it. its not very well designed. I made it through 6 levels of angry birds while waiting for that cutscene.
  • edited December 2010
    Some of these puzzles aren't very intuitive.
    ...Every single puzzle other than this one is STUPID easy.
  • edited December 2010
    Marty has to "discover" three things before you can solve the puzzle. It seems they can be done in any order. (This is the order I did it in.)
    1. The "Special Soup"
    2. The Kitchen Door
    3. The Use for the Pipe

    THE SPECIAL SOUP
    To discover the "special soup", click on the barrels on top of the metal rack while Cue Ball is sitting in front of you. He will talk about the special soup and finish with a comment about being "too nosy." Now Marty knows which barrels he needs. Also, you will know you were successful because when you mouse over those barrels again, their name has changed.

    THE KITCHEN DOOR
    Marty has to try to open the kitchen door and fail. After he fails, you can ask for Emmett's help. After some time passes, Emmett will prop the door open with a spatula. You will know that he has done this when he says "Eureka!"

    THE PIPE
    After some more time passes, Cue Ball will go to the pipe on the right wall and bang it. This will cause the metal rack with the barrels of "special soup" to be lowered into the basement through a trap door. It will immediately come back up empty and then the goon from earlier will refill the rack. Now Marty knows what to do with the pipe.

    *Assuming you have done everything above, you can then solve the puzzle using the following steps:

    1. Talk with Cue Ball and ask for some crummy soup. If you already have the soup, go to step two.
    2. Tell Cue Ball to add a spice to the soup, any will do. (I chose Salt)
    3. Cue Ball will get up, move the rack, get a spice and stir the pot.
    4. While he stirs the pot, go to the pipe on the right wall near the door and click on it. (The pipe is an interactive item you can reach without going into the kitchen area.)
    5. Marty will bang on it with the tape recorder. Then you can watch the cut scene showing that you have solved the puzzle.

    CUT SCENE - "Solved the Puzzle"
    6. The trap door will open, causing the metal rack to fall over.
    7. All of the "special soup" barrels will roll off the top, across the counter and will hit the tables that are being propped up by the door Emmett propped open earlier.
    8. Ms. Strickland will come in and Cue Ball will hand her a barrel of the "special soup."

    From here, you can go back to the town square and talk with Ms. Strickland. Now you will need to find a way to get that "soup."

    I hope this helps. Good luck!
  • edited December 2010
    yeah there is definitely something funky going on with getting him to hit the pipe.. i was on that part over an hour and have no good reason why he finally did it.. maybe some weird combination of clicking on this or that i have no clue..

    probably not working as intended.. and yes it was the toughest puzzle haha..
  • edited December 2010
    ok, i did it. its not very well designed. I made it through 6 levels of angry birds while waiting for that cutscene.

    its not that "its not very well designed", it depends on the players experience with adventure games, i had no problem at all solving this puzzle

    well, a little tiny problem, i knew i had to hit the pipe, i just couldnt find the right spot to do that at first, lol

    mmmh... hit the pipe.... sounds like jump the shark or nuke the fridge, lol
  • edited December 2010
    The cutscene with the pipe and the trap door NEVER HAPPENS, making the game unbeatable. Marty just talks when clicking the pipe. Apparently this only happens to some people, judging from the responses here, but if you have this problem, what are you supposed to do? Is there some trick to making the pipe and trapdoor scene happen so Marty knows to knock on the pipe? Does it require you to stand around the corner waiting for over 5 minutes (which is how long I waited before giving up)? If so, then that is undeniably HORRIBLE game design.

    EDIT: And yes, I've had every conversation with Emmett, Cueball and Edna, multiple times, and had the scene where Edna comes in as you're leaving the kitchen. It's STILL not happening.
  • edited December 2010
    After getting the asking the man to put some spice into the soup, you just walk around to Emmet and that should trigger the cut-scene with the elevator. You can then get him to jam the door and follow the rest of the steps that have been posted here.

    Can't say I had any problems figuring this out at all.. Unless there is a big glitch affecting some, I wouldn't call this unintuitive, it's just simple problem solving.
  • edited December 2010
    The game is not unbeatable, judging by the number of people who have beaten it. Have you followed the instructions listed earlier in the thread on how to solve this puzzle.

    First of all, have you triggered the cutscene that shows Cueball hitting the pipe and triggering the trap door? Has Emmett made the door opener that props up the tables? Did you have Marty ask Cueball about the "special soup"? Did you tell Cueball to add spices to the soup before attempting to hit the pipe?
  • edited December 2010
    After getting the asking the man to put some spice into the soup, you just walk around to Emmet and that should trigger the cut-scene with the elevator. You can then get him to jam the door and follow the rest of the steps that have been posted here.

    Can't say I had any problems figuring this out at all.. Unless there is a big glitch affecting some, I wouldn't call this unintuitive, it's just simple problem solving.

    Then there must be a big glitch. I did exactly that several times before, and tried it again just now to make sure. I talked to the guy, made him spice the soup, walked around the corner to Emmett and waited, and all that happened was he eventually stopped stirring the soup, moved the shelf back into place, and sat down. No pipes, no knocking. That's "simple problem solving" in the same way that walking outside of the garage at the beginning and having no DeLorean show up and nothing to click on would be a "simple problem".

    Anyway, sorry for being so harsh about it (doubly so now that I've cooled down a bit, I know you're just trying to be helpful), I'm just irritated that some people's response to a game-breaking glitch is "oh, you just suck at adventure games". Not the case, I assure you. Thank you for trying to help, but it looks like maybe the only option now is to restart the game and hope that whatever exact path of choices led to the bug doesn't repeat. :(
  • edited December 2010
    The game is not unbeatable, judging by the number of people who have beaten it. Have you followed the instructions listed earlier in the thread on how to solve this puzzle.

    First of all, have you triggered the cutscene that shows Cueball hitting the pipe and triggering the trap door? Has Emmett made the door opener that props up the tables? Did you have Marty ask Cueball about the "special soup"? Did you tell Cueball to add spices to the soup before attempting to hit the pipe?

    All of these except "have you triggered the cutscene that shows Cueball hitting the pipe and triggering the trap door?": Yes. This scene appears to simply not happen in my game for no apparent reason.
  • edited December 2010
    Hanglyman wrote: »
    walked around the corner to Emmett and waited
    I think you actually have to talk to Emmett to trigger the scene, if I remember correctly.
  • edited December 2010
    im not sure if it triggers the scene to happen, but yes, thats what i thought, too. talk to him and talk about this whole alcohol stuff and so on.
  • edited December 2010
    markeres wrote: »
    I think you actually have to talk to Emmett to trigger the scene, if I remember correctly.

    Tried that too. Still no luck. I'll try playing a new game and see if it happens again, I guess.
  • edited December 2010
    I've waited for 5 minutes right next to the kitchen door to trigger the scene.
  • edited December 2010
    Sp1ke wrote: »
    I've waited for 5 minutes right next to the kitchen door to trigger the scene.

    did this work?

    I am not getting the scene where the cart with moonshine gets lowered to the basement, so I do not know what CueBall is hitting the pipe with. Is there something I need to grab to hit the pipe, or are people just clicking on it?
  • edited December 2010
    I don't know if this was the reason, but there was another option for who Ms. Strickland was to deliver soup to; Asylum. Once I did this and walked back and forth around the phone in the soup kitchen, it cut to the scene.
  • edited December 2010
    I had the same issue earlier, but I pushed past young Emmit, and it triggered the cut-scene with the pipe. This might work for you.
  • edited December 2010
    I've played twice. The first time the scene triggered after Edna had come in, the second time it triggered as soon as I'd walked round the corner.
  • edited December 2010
    Can we at least acknowledge that this thread is titled "hit the pipe" and not a single person has made a drug joke or a skateboarding joke.... impressive.
  • edited December 2010
    drugs? skateboarding? maybe its because i translate "hit the pipe" a bit wrong, but imho it also could mean that marty does something.... really.... disturbing.... to that special pipe..........
  • edited December 2010
    This puzzle was very easy in hindsight, but I had no idea I had to wait around doing absolutely nothing for minutes to trigger the elevator scene. Who stands around doing nothing in a game this cool?!
  • edited December 2010
    yes I had a same problem that fat guy he just seat there or do some coking and not hitting the pipe i done everything i think is bug within the game i restart a game and it was fine
  • edited December 2010
    I had the same problem. After reading here about it i just stood there for a couple of minutes. Getting bored, i thought lets walk over to Emmett and thats when finally the cut scene happend and i could "hit the pipe".
  • edited December 2010
    I just wanted to say that this "puzzle" took me an hour and a half to finnish because of the stupid pipe thing, while the rest of the game was stupid simple.

    My solution, I walked in to the corner by the kitchen door, waited for 15 minutes and finally the stupid cutsceen played.

    I remember the first Sam&Max episodes were low budget but this, this is just awfull... after playing this episode, I really regret buying this game!
  • edited December 2010
    I found out why this glitch happens.

    At the scene where kid tannen appears to get his shoes shined, you must speak with edna first and talk about the sober society and why meetings aren't held in the basement anymore. Then head over to kid tannen and talk to him regarding the sober society before taking the hat. If you didn't do that then the scene won't pop up as easily as it should (I.e after this event, go back to the soup kitchen and simply walk to the back and the cutscene triggers.)

    Hopefully this helps those of you stuck at this pipe part too.
  • edited December 2010
    I had the same problem. Unfortunately I had already taken the hat back from Kid Tannen. There is a serious glitch because the scene never showed, I tried everything, then broke down and looked at the hints, no luck, then came to this forum, no luck. And just now when I reloaded my game the scene showed first thing.

    Lame.
  • edited December 2010
    Some of these puzzles aren't very intuitive.
    Haha you haven't played many adventure games, have you?

    Actually, I felt some of the puzzles were highly intuitive. As soon as you see the barrels go down in the elevator combined with the overly obvious fact that Cue ball had to move the cart to get to the spices made it obvious that you were going to have to do something when he moved the cart. At one point I thought that it would somehow involve a barrel of alcohol rolling off to where you could pick it up, but either way I thought it was actually rather obvious what to do.

    This is the first adventure game I recall playing in a long time where I haven't either needed to look up a hint/solution or at least gotten stuck for 10+ minutes on a particular puzzle.

    Some of the complaints in this thread don't sound like it was a glitch but simply rather you didn't hit the "trigger" correctly for a sequence to play out. Whenever I find myself unable to progress in an adventure game, I do a bunch of things - leave areas, return to areas, talk to NPCs I haven't talked to recently, etc. Eventually you'll trigger something you haven't triggered or you'll get enough hints to figure out what to do.

    And no matter how much play testing you do, games have glitches. Most of the biggest budget games of all time release multiple patches to fix glitches and such. Not sure why ONE glitch you experience would make you regret buying a game. I've never heard so many impatient people before, but perhaps that's because you aren't used to adventure games, where patience is incredibly important. Whatever you do - if this game caused you frustration, then do NOT by any means play a "difficult" old-school adventure game without using a walkthrough. You'll pull every last one of your hairs out.
  • edited December 2010
    I too cannot get the pipe-hitting cutscene to trigger. I've done everything as indicated in the walkthru and what was suggested in this thread. I think it's just an awful glitch, and it's really ruining the experience of this game. I mean, so far, in a game about awesome sorts of things like time travel I've spent the majority of my gametime having repeated conversations about soup.
  • edited December 2010
    I just walked around the side area of the soup bar. I think the logic behind this scene is that the soup guy doesn't want to hit the pipe until he is alone and nobody can see what's going on. Just stay out of sight and it'll eventually happen.
  • edited December 2010
    TentuZero wrote: »
    Then head over to kid tannen and talk to him regarding the sober society before taking the hat.

    I never once had that conversation with Kid, but the cutscene showed up both times I played through the game, so...that can't be it.
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