About Crane [Spoilers]
COMIC SPOILERS AS WELL AS EPISODE 2 SPOILERS
Some theories:
1- Crane is the crooked man and employer of both Dee and Dum. Reasons: The reaction Crane has about Dee stuff... His reaction to the woodsman stuff is different (he has likewise reactions concerning the perfume, the glamour gadget and when he replies that the Troll was "obviously seeing another troll"). Funny fact: his reaction to discovering Lily was a troll and he was doing her. Also the confidence Dee has while in interrogation and his secrecy about his boss(his boss was standing right there). Third thing: we know from the comics that Crane was corrupt. The Crooked man is a nursery rhyme. We have other characters representing more than one fable, for instance Jack. So Crane can be both the man from headless horseman as well as the crooked man.
2- Crane is the employer and owner of Georgie's business. We know for a fact that Crane knew about the black market glamours. Won't get into the reason because it's pretty much handed out to you. Now, this is speculation but: he might actually be the owner of the strip club. Reasons: He had the VIP room. Georgie seemed sincere about not knowing about snow white glamour. Pimps usually don't run the bussiness, he's probably just the face of the business with the Crooked Man(Crane) running things from behind the show. Whoever runs the place (the club) needs access to pretty strong magic and money to buy the forced secrecy ribbons - these lips are sealed -(powerful enough to block the mirror). Now, this same business owner should have access to black market glamours. Ring any bells? I think crane owned the place and runs some of the black market stuff, that would explain how he got the snow white glamour. Another reason: Faith "stole" money from Dee and Dum boss(maybe she borrowed from the Crooked Man and said she wasn't going to pay?). They were looking for it in her place. Now, could be Georgie's money. But I'm more inclined to believe she stole from crane.(her messed up stuff at the club could account for someone looking for that money, could be that Georgie was looking for his share of the Woodsman money also. If you handed money to her, you find that same money in his box. That also means she made it back to the club).
About the murder: Faith was filling in for Lily when she went down to the Woodsman. What if: she got killed by mistake? Maybe the target was Lily all along and Faith just happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. Maybe the hitman didn't knew their mark and just knew where she was supposed to be ( the woodsman apartment). This mistake is corrected at episode 2 when the actual Lily is killed. Now, who would have it out for Lily? Maybe the target is actually Crane himself. Someone took Lily out to scare Crane, maybe blackmail him. Or even get his spot. This would put Blackbeard as the primary suspect (he might want to takeover Cranes business as well as his position at the office). One thing that goes against this theory is that Blackbeard is around flabletown in the comics. But what if, in the end, we don't get the satisfaction of finding enough evidence to put him away? Another thing: We know that there were at least two people at the murder scene of Lily (little toad tells you that one of them said: stop laughing at me). Can't link that to anything else(could be Dee and Dum, but who knows). Just wanted to share.
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Crane is not the Crooked Man. The Crooked Man is a completely different character and completely different Fable.
The Crooked Man refers to the old nursery rhyme. Here, look http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/There_Was_a_Crooked_Man
It's not Crane.
I adress to this on my comment above. But let me reinstate: A fable character can be the same fable present in more than one story. Such is the case for Jack (Little Jack Horner, Jack and the Beanstalk, Jack and Jill, Jack Be Nimble, Jack Frost, Jack O'Lantern, Jack the Giant Killer, etc) and Bigby (Little Three Pigs, Red Riding, The boy who cried wolf, etc). The Crooked Man can be the alias of an already known fable.
Yea but cranr has that mirror thingy and would have known about faith n where everybody is..... .. Its not cranr..the only person who has motive AMD thers evidence backing ir ia for beauty to be the murderer
Apple and Oranges.
Especially since The Crooked Man is an European Fables and Crane isn't. Besides, you'd think they would have mentioned that in the comic if they were the same person.
That's a solid theory!
The idea that Crane is the crooked man himself as an alias and he's created a glamor for the Crooked Man identity, that totally falls in line with him and it wouldn't conflict with what we know about Ichabod from the comic since he was fired as Deputy Mayor for multiple reasons, including sexually harassing Snow and embezzling funds. Ultimately he was kicked out of Fabletown because of the backlash he got from it when he was found out.
This game definitely shows the sexual harassment (stalking Snow White, taking photographs of her, breaking in her apartment, stealing her possessions, and everything he did behind closed doors with Lily), now I'm certain this game will cover his embezzling because there's literally no way they could do the story they've told otherwise. Besides that his embezzling of funds is so easy to write into this scenario. As the Crooked Man, he could be making loans to desperate Fables like Beauty, asking for who knows what in exchange. It suits him to be essentially profiting off of how hard he makes living in Fabletown for them and making their lives harder purposely by ignoring their problems.
There is no crooked man whatsoever, as long as I can remember (my memory ins't that good) in the comics. So it would be clear telltale has a certain maneuverability on creation. Meaning: they can make up new content not yet explored by the comics. This would pose no problem for crane and crooked man being the same person. About the region of the fables: although it does mater where some fables come from (Aladin is located in a fable Baghda and all jack's stories can be traced to england), this could be more a rule of thumb than a precise certainty. Peter and the wolf is Russian, which shares little cultural background with the rest of europe, like France (Little Red Riding). Not sure if where the fable was originated matters, I'm inclined to say no.
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And I just remenbered that one of Jack's tales depicts him in the american civil war. Not sure which folktale it referred to. Something with gambling with the devil and trapping death in a bag that has no carrying limits.
Firstly, to the OP: Instead of the wall of text, dividing your points into paragraphs would have helped... sorry just nit-picking, I'm not an English teacher I swear lol
I agree with many of your points: The fact that Crane would have the access to the money and resources required for owning the club, the glamours, hiring the Tweedle Bros, etc.. However, it seems pretty obvious that Crane isn't behind the real mess in Fabletown. It'd be a mistake on TTG's part if they revealed the murderer 3 episodes before the season finishes... or who knows? TTG could be pulling a double-move on us..
In my opinion, it doesn't seem like someone is out for Lily (or any of the trolls for that matter) but rather for Snow White. The murderer made a mistake killing the look-alike instead of the real one which is addressed at the beginning of Episode 2 when Snow says she feels guilty. It seems like Crane is just a pervert and his reaction to the mirror displays his frustration of being found out due to Georgie's "incompetence".
Towards your point about TJ talking about someone saying, "stop laughing." It doesn't necessarily have to be two people.
http://www.telltalegames.com/community/discussion/58360/major-spoilers-the-curious-case-of-ichabod-crane
The 3rd part can´t be true. If the murderer killed Faith by mistake then how would he all of a sudden know that Lily likes to glamour up as Snow? The first killer sounds like the worst killer ever, but a little later he knows everything about Crane and Lily.
2 - one could be true
and also it's not Blackbeard it's BLUEBEARD
Playing devils advocate, the killer may just simply know Lilly's normal clients. For example we know that both Woody and Crane were normal customers for her. Knowing that she often appears as different Fables depending on their clients taste the killer may have simply believed that Woody had asked Lily to look like Faith, and killed her thinking she was Lily.
Personally I don't think so because of the whole "ring in the mouth" thing, plus the fact that the bodies are there to be discovered. They aren't hiding the heads.
I don't think it is money. I think that Faith took something else. Something more important that Dee and Dum were looking for first in Woodsman's apartment and than i Faith's.
something like pictures that were taken by a stalker?
I think that story from civil war wasn't a folktale. I think that it was actually Jack,because they have escaped homelands hundreds of years ago. I think i remember someone talking about Fabletown being created while NY was still called New Amsterdam. Still I'm not sure how it works. I imagine that realms for every story exist individually with portals or gateways connecting them. Most of the fabels didn't know about other realms until they had to run. Some of them did, like Prince Charming or Jack. But also there are bigger groups of realms depending of the culture from which the source material is from.
I think that story from civil war wasn't a folktale. I think that it was actually Jack,because they have escaped homelands hundreds of years ago. I think i remember someone talking about Fabletown being created while NY was still called New Amsterdam. Still I'm not sure how it works. I imagine that realms for every story exist individually with portals or gateways connecting them. Most of the fabels didn't know about other realms until they had to run. Some of them did, like Prince Charming or Jack. But also there are bigger groups of realms depending of the culture from which the source material is from.
The region does matter though and it seems rather obvious that we have not met the Crooked Man yet. It wouldn't make sense as an alias for Crane for the simple fact that he is not that clever.
I think you are giving Crane to much credit. I could be wrong, but can't really imagine him as some sort of underground boss. He may be intelligent enough but would lack the nerve to pull it off.He is probably using Fabletown founds to pay for all that we have seen. And paying a lot, probably. He is obviously not a murderer, or he would have been executed and thrown down the witching well, not just exiled. I do think that murders are connected in some way with him, because of the Headless Horseman from his fable, maybe someone trying to scare him or something. Still i don't think it's Bluebeard. He does not need more power, he has freedom to do pretty much anything thanks to his annual donation to Fabletown,and even with Crane out of the way, King Cole is still the mayor.