Well, I think we have half of it...

It's been a pretty wild ride, so far... and not so much with the introduction of Episode two. Oh, well, what can we expect from something in the middle? "Middle sections" are meant to be a little slow and uneventful. However, I think episode two was quite informative, and has given us a new lead, or two. Why do I say that, you might ask? Well, it's a little out there, but I think that, "The proof is in the pudding (& Pie)." Let me explain...

In this episode we're given a formal introduction to the "Pudding and Pie" adult entertainment club. More importantly, we're introduced to the seedy inhabitants of the establishment. I'm sure this has been thought of, but I haven't seen it tossed around too much (That, or I'm just too lazy to go back far enough into the threads). I think we've been introduced to the murder suspect, already. More accurately, someone who might know who he/she/it is. Who, might you ask? Hans.

Now, why do I think that? Let's go back to the first episode. When Bigby finds Faith's head, he also finds a scrap of fabric, which we assume belongs to the killer. That might be a half truth. It might not belong to the "killer" per say, but it might belong to the one that delivered Faith's head. Now, we've compared a lot of clothing articles throughout the episodes, and we've come up with some good comparisons. In my opinion, the fabric resembles denim. Now, who wears denim? It's been mentioned that Jack does, but Hans also wears jeans. But there's more...

Hans works at the Pudding and Pie, where we found out that Georgie keeps a little appointment book containing information about all of the girls. Faith worked there. So did Lily. Hmm. Wait a second! That means that Hans also has access to that book. Meaning... no way, it can't be. But, hear me out. I'm not saying that Hans is the "killer," but merely someone associated with the killer.

Let's go back to TJ's statements, about what he saw. He said that he heard someone say, "Stop laughing." More so, "Stop laughing at me." How is that important? Well, aside from the good theories of the Tweedles, and the Head-less Horseman, who all have a sense of humor, who else might be offended by someone laughing at him? Perhaps... someone rather.... simple? Think about it. In Hans' profile, it states that he's a rather dense fellow. You figure this out more if you read the Grimm entry about him, as well, which is mentioned in his profile (Loosely). He's prone to making mistakes, and Georgie states that he has communication issues (The context of the statement is not important).

People that are ridiculed often have insecurities about themselves, and express them often. Usually not in public, but to themselves when they're secluded. Perhaps Hans was the one that dumped Lily's body into the water. TJ did state he heard and unfamiliar voice, and to our knowledge Hans and TJ have yet to meet (In the game). Lily's body was tethered by the ankles to cinder blocks, and Hans is certainly a big fellow. He could heft the two around without much issue, from the looks of things. It's unclear to me if there was a second person at the bridge, but Hans would certainly have a usage for the words, "Stop laughing at me." He hates the ridicule that he suffers at the hands of society and Georgie. It could also explain how Snow's outfit was mismatched on Lily. Hans could have made a mistake obtaining it. Lily's costumes (Snow's outfit, the dress, etc) could be supplied by Georgie, or Hans. That leaves some things unanswered, but it's a start...

What other evidence do I have that suggests the Pudding and Pie being tied to the murder? Well, I thought it was strange that Georgie got upset when his stereo got busted. It didn't jump out at me, right away, but what can we see about the stereo? What did we find in the sleazy hotel? It looks like it has a cassette player on it. Hmm. Perhaps that track we hear was recorded on the same stereo? That theory is a little out there, but I found it strange that it was brought up in the scenario, to begin with.

Now, how does this all tie in? Well, when we find the floor safe, we also find the money that Bigby gave to Faith in it, or the amount, at least (I think. Bigby does react to it). Adding that all together, that places Faith, Faith's money, Lily, the appointment book (Which has all the girls' information on it, and WHERE they're located and who they're seeing), Hans (For his jeans) and the floor safe (In which it's all contained) at the Pudding and Pie.

Now, am I saying that Hans is the killer? Not necessarily. What I am saying is that Hans probably disposed of Lily's body. Faith's ring in her mouth could be a warning, but it could also be Hans' inability to perform the simplest orders properly, too. It's a little out there, but perhaps Hans mistook some instructions from his "boss" and placed the ring and ribbon in Faith's mouth, before she was beheaded. Maybe. Who knows. We won't find out more until Georgie lays off and we get a chance to speak to Hans directly.

So, who do we know that works at, or frequents, and would have access to the safe at, the Pudding and Pie? If Nerissa winds up dead, then I believe that's a good connection, and we also might have a pattern here (Faith, "Snow" and Nerissa are all princesses in their respective stories). I know that doesn't give us a definite person, but it gives us a place (Especially since the girls at the P&P seem to like to use the Open Arms quite a bit, where Lily's murder took place). What do you guys think? Feedback is appreciated, and feel free to add your own little tidbits into this. :D

Comments

  • Man !!! I took the time to read all that you are lucky it didn't dissappoint :P, In all seriousness though most of what you wrote makes sense and I agree with it, Have a like Old Friend

  • Thank you for the like. And yes, I apologize for the length. I have a tendency to do that. I was just as bad in TWD forums. Haha. :P I just like to give a little information to explain my theories and such. Thank you for reading it, though. I really appreciate the time you took to do so. :)

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Man !!! I took the time to read all that you are lucky it didn't dissappoint :P, In all seriousness though most of what you wrote makes sense and I agree with it, Have a like Old Friend

  • Nah as long as its good I don't mind :) You really convinced me explaining Han's involvement

    Thank you for the like. And yes, I apologize for the length. I have a tendency to do that. I was just as bad in TWD forums. Haha. :P I j

  • Well, I'm glad my opinions offered a little insight, and possibly a way to put all of the pieces together. I certainly can't wait to read all the information people have to offer about this case. Sometimes I find the forum, and all of it's lovely inhabitants, more entertaining than the game itself. :P

    SaltLick305 posted: »

    Nah as long as its good I don't mind You really convinced me explaining Han's involvement

  • You convinced me that Hans knows a lot more than he's letting on. As well as the possibility that he could have dumped the body. A few bold words would ease things up. Mostly what hints to making it logical.

  • Bold words? Are you referring to physical presentation of my post? If so, I apologize. I'm not too keen on using bold characters, as I feel that when an important document is read, almost all of the details are important. I'll certainly take your recommendation to mind, if that's what you meant, and apply it to any future posts that I might make. In either case, thank for you taking the time to read it. :)

    LukaszB posted: »

    You convinced me that Hans knows a lot more than he's letting on. As well as the possibility that he could have dumped the body. A few bold words would ease things up. Mostly what hints to making it logical.

  • Didn't read lol

  • Yep. I know it is quite tricky when choosing, but with a little thought it really comes out. A better tactic is what shouldn't be physically presented boldly. Usually the best are things everyone would know. Also every mention of the club.

    Bold words? Are you referring to physical presentation of my post? If so, I apologize. I'm not too keen on using bold characters, as I feel

  • Oh, you. Lol.

    Didn't read lol

  • True. Though, I didn't really see this possibility mentioned, outside of a word or two, so I thought I might bring it up for discussion. I just figured some certain areas should be covered, and little explanation was needed. Outside of that, I really didn't want to go around pointing fingers at the characters, but more so at the establishment. I figured a singular mention of that would have sufficed. But, as always, to each their own. No harm, no foul. :)

    LukaszB posted: »

    Yep. I know it is quite tricky when choosing, but with a little thought it really comes out. A better tactic is what shouldn't be physically presented boldly. Usually the best are things everyone would know. Also every mention of the club.

  • I doubt Hans has a connection with the killer. He just knew about the book, but Han's jeans did match the color of Faith's ribbon,so maybe it was someone from the strip club.The workers at the Pudding and Pie must be required to wear a ribbon or jeans of that color.

  • I think that he might have some sort of association with it, but with being so "simple" he might not realize it. Disposing of the body might have just been "taking out the garbage" to him, or something. His mind works differently, so his reasoning behind his actions, or how he does what he's told, might have the same outcome. As for the ribbons and jeans? I'm not sure I follow you.

    The "working girls" have to wear the ribbon, or so we're led to believe. As for the fabric matching, Hans is just the bouncer and clean-up guy. As he's probably not seen on stage, or working the crowds, he probably doesn't have a dress code. A lot of club bouncers wear jeans and T-shirts. It would have been nice if we found out if Hans smokes, or not, but apparently some of workers at the Pudding and Pie do. At least from what we're allowed to see. Did you notice the nearly filled ashtray on the table, when talking to Nerissa, when Bigby is in the dressing area?

    I doubt Hans has a connection with the killer. He just knew about the book, but Han's jeans did match the color of Faith's ribbon,so maybe it

  • It would make sense for the Pudding and Pie to be a key point in the murders, especially since both of the girls murdered were almost clear of their debt and on the verge of leaving. Faith said it was her last night when talking to Bigby, and Holly said Lily just had to pay back the club's fees, it could be that they were about to leave, which could have an affect on whatever is keeping them from speaking about clients and coworkers.

  • That was actually a pretty good... well, novel. That's a LOT of text. But I read it, and it was good. Have my like, sir.

  • Watch out, don't want to make Telltale change the story again, lol. (It did seem pretty damn obvious the first time though).

  • I can't apologize enough to you people, I swear. :P Thank you for taking the time to read, though. I really appreciate it! :D

    Rock114 posted: »

    That was actually a pretty good... well, novel. That's a LOT of text. But I read it, and it was good. Have my like, sir.

  • Oh, lord. Don't say that! :P If my little post makes them change anything with the story, then I'm sorry to say that TTG is in a world of trouble! I didn't even think it was that good of post, to begin with. xD

    Qipoi posted: »

    Watch out, don't want to make Telltale change the story again, lol. (It did seem pretty damn obvious the first time though).

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