What you say is fine, and I agree that you don't necessarily need those ingredients for a mature game/topic.However, I don't think that TWAU is being gory and nasty for the sake of it, its being like that because of what it is depicting. And while a mature game does not necessarily have to feature those things, it might very well make use of them as this "vulgarity" is part of our socierty. If you think it is showing gratuitous violence and vulgarity then I guess you should simply not play it, I don't think a toned down version of the game would work.
a 'mature' work need not have vulgarity, or gore to be deeply moving or profound, or even disturbing. Lord of the Flies was a deeply disturbin… moreg and mature work, and i would add Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness', or Nevil Shute's 'On The Beach', which are equally disturbing for the seriousness of their subjects, the loss of our humanity, and the death of the human race, though both works contain very minimal curses or gore.
Works that use 'Adult' in the sense of 'adult book store' however rely on vulgarity or sexual connotations to produce its effect. Which may be shocking, but be no more moving or deep despite the language or image. Simply having a character curse or showing a decapitated head is not the same thing as Lord of the Flies social collapse, or Conrad's descent into inhumanity.
Bill Willingham's 'Fables' which TWaU is based on, is a study of the Fables we remember as children, redefined in a new way, their innocence now largely gone a… [view original content]
I appreciate your reasoned reply, and i agree a 'toned down' version may not work, however a re-write of dialog that keeps the tension and frustration and seriousness doesn't have to be vulgar. Though i think you are right, that vulgarity does depict our present society. Our society has become more abusive over time. It is the way it is, but it is not necessarily better.
What you say is fine, and I agree that you don't necessarily need those ingredients for a mature game/topic.However, I don't think that TWAU i… mores being gory and nasty for the sake of it, its being like that because of what it is depicting. And while a mature game does not necessarily have to feature those things, it might very well make use of them as this "vulgarity" is part of our socierty. If you think it is showing gratuitous violence and vulgarity then I guess you should simply not play it, I don't think a toned down version of the game would work.
I appreciate your reasoned reply, and i agree a 'toned down' version may not work, however a re-write of dialog that keeps the tension and fru… morestration and seriousness doesn't have to be vulgar. Though i think you are right, that vulgarity does depict our present society. Our society has become more abusive over time. It is the way it is, but it is not necessarily better.
Well, in my mind, the writers/creators chose to use that language for a reason, and a rewrite of the dialog would mean a big change, it would not be TWAU, it would be... something else, neither better nor worse, but different. The way I see it, the vulgarity you refer too is mainly linguistic. In the end, words just have the meaning we attach to them and these supposed "vulgar" words don't bother me as its just a way of communicating. About society becoming more abusive... Well, that is a different topic and outside the scope of this post
I appreciate your reasoned reply, and i agree a 'toned down' version may not work, however a re-write of dialog that keeps the tension and fru… morestration and seriousness doesn't have to be vulgar. Though i think you are right, that vulgarity does depict our present society. Our society has become more abusive over time. It is the way it is, but it is not necessarily better.
No, but would it have the same impact if he was barely able to keep from screaming and going out of control and we could see that in the way B… moreigby was acting?
gosh-darn-dunderhead is stupid.
If you want something dramatic, then you have to create the tension and the rage and it has to show, but you don't have to curse,
It won't happen, the Fables universe is built around being a bit gritty. To remove that would be to remove a chunk of its charm. Unfortunately this just isn't the series for you.
What you're saying now sounds more as if the violence is what is affecting you. How can a game be considered an action if all we do is press Q to not get mad.
a 'mature' work need not have vulgarity, or gore to be deeply moving or profound, or even disturbing. Lord of the Flies was a deeply disturbin… moreg and mature work, and i would add Conrad's 'Heart of Darkness', or Nevil Shute's 'On The Beach', which are equally disturbing for the seriousness of their subjects, the loss of our humanity, and the death of the human race, though both works contain very minimal curses or gore.
Works that use 'Adult' in the sense of 'adult book store' however rely on vulgarity or sexual connotations to produce its effect. Which may be shocking, but be no more moving or deep despite the language or image. Simply having a character curse or showing a decapitated head is not the same thing as Lord of the Flies social collapse, or Conrad's descent into inhumanity.
Bill Willingham's 'Fables' which TWaU is based on, is a study of the Fables we remember as children, redefined in a new way, their innocence now largely gone a… [view original content]
All I can say is, yes, Bioshock games, theres quit minimal swearing, still a lot of gore and blood but the game also has mature themes, slavery, radical right wing politics, genetic engineering, capitalism and communism and so on. But its a different experience. TWAU is about gritty NY, poverty, inequality and so on.
Well, in my mind, the writers/creators chose to use that language for a reason, and a rewrite of the dialog would mean a big change, it would … morenot be TWAU, it would be... something else, neither better nor worse, but different. The way I see it, the vulgarity you refer too is mainly linguistic. In the end, words just have the meaning we attach to them and these supposed "vulgar" words don't bother me as its just a way of communicating. About society becoming more abusive... Well, that is a different topic and outside the scope of this post
I'm not certain to whom you're answering as your message is a reply to original post, but I assume you might be answering to me because I post… moreed just before your post. If you meant to answer to someone else then, I'm sorry that I bothered you.
Have you actually read anything which I posted? I already gave several rational reasons why the OP's idea wouldn't work (at least not now). All I was saying was an answer to immature post (funny thing considering that the game is supposed to be only for mature audiences), that there's no need for such hostility and there's room for all kind of opinions and people. After all, how old are we? 15? As adults we should be able to have a constructive and polite conversation about the pros and cons of the suggestion without trolling and insulting like immature teenagers often do when someone disagrees with them.
You are correct, and action pieces should contain action, and so pressing Q for at least some of the struggles is appropriate. And you are correct, if the writers were to change the work too very much from the source material, then they stand a chance of offending the fans of the Fable series. Anyway, perhaps this one, as interesting as it is, just isn't for me. Thanks for the posts.
Sincerely
-Teal
What you're saying now sounds more as if the violence is what is affecting you. How can a game be considered an action if all we do is press Q to not get mad.
Perhaps you are right, and in that case it would be best for me to stop disagreeing with what it is and leave it at that. But Thank you to everyone for their responses. Though some were rather rude, most seemed well thought out and polite.
-Teal
It won't happen, the Fables universe is built around being a bit gritty. To remove that would be to remove a chunk of its charm. Unfortunately this just isn't the series for you.
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What you say is fine, and I agree that you don't necessarily need those ingredients for a mature game/topic.However, I don't think that TWAU is being gory and nasty for the sake of it, its being like that because of what it is depicting. And while a mature game does not necessarily have to feature those things, it might very well make use of them as this "vulgarity" is part of our socierty. If you think it is showing gratuitous violence and vulgarity then I guess you should simply not play it, I don't think a toned down version of the game would work.
I appreciate your reasoned reply, and i agree a 'toned down' version may not work, however a re-write of dialog that keeps the tension and frustration and seriousness doesn't have to be vulgar. Though i think you are right, that vulgarity does depict our present society. Our society has become more abusive over time. It is the way it is, but it is not necessarily better.
And you said so yourself that the Fables in the game and comics are depicted on our present day society.
Well, in my mind, the writers/creators chose to use that language for a reason, and a rewrite of the dialog would mean a big change, it would not be TWAU, it would be... something else, neither better nor worse, but different. The way I see it, the vulgarity you refer too is mainly linguistic. In the end, words just have the meaning we attach to them and these supposed "vulgar" words don't bother me as its just a way of communicating. About society becoming more abusive... Well, that is a different topic and outside the scope of this post
Tell me a suitable alternative than that offers the same reaction.
It won't happen, the Fables universe is built around being a bit gritty. To remove that would be to remove a chunk of its charm. Unfortunately this just isn't the series for you.
What you're saying now sounds more as if the violence is what is affecting you. How can a game be considered an action if all we do is press Q to not get mad.
All I can say is, yes, Bioshock games, theres quit minimal swearing, still a lot of gore and blood but the game also has mature themes, slavery, radical right wing politics, genetic engineering, capitalism and communism and so on. But its a different experience. TWAU is about gritty NY, poverty, inequality and so on.
Yeah, I was talking to OP. If I was talking to you it would of been a reply to your post. No worries.
OK. This part: "both you and the OP" made me think that you might be answering to me.
You are correct, and action pieces should contain action, and so pressing Q for at least some of the struggles is appropriate. And you are correct, if the writers were to change the work too very much from the source material, then they stand a chance of offending the fans of the Fable series. Anyway, perhaps this one, as interesting as it is, just isn't for me. Thanks for the posts.
Sincerely
-Teal
Perhaps you are right, and in that case it would be best for me to stop disagreeing with what it is and leave it at that. But Thank you to everyone for their responses. Though some were rather rude, most seemed well thought out and polite.
-Teal