Cross of Bigby, Snow, Colin, Beast, Beauty, Toad, Cryer, Kelsey Brannigan, Woody, Bluebeard, Holly, and Gren. Possible Mastermind would be Crane, depending on the last 3 episodes.
Actually he is very smart, he used to be a teacher. He is also very self-confident, but also can't stand several things. He's also smart and dumb enough to accuse Bigby.
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Ichabod Crane is not smart enough to be a mastermind, I think. I just can't see him in this role.
BTW, it's nice to see a namesake from Poland on such a forum. : D
I really doubt that Beauty has something to do with the murders (since she appears in the comics), though I could imagine her being the person who blackmails Crane. Maybe she saw him enter the hotel with Lily, recognized him, and then took the opportunity to take a picture.
After all, Beast and her are having trouble to make ends meet, which is (probably) at least to some degree the fault of Fabletown administration. It's like the perfect solution: She doesn't need her shitty job any more, and takes revenge on the person responsible for her mischief.
She sure as hell wouldn't tell Bigby any of this, him being the Sheriff and all.
I know, it's a lot of speculation, but that's what came to my mind when I read how someone mentioned Beauty being some kind of distraction set so we won't recognize the real killer to soon.
Beauty is actually one of the few characters from the comics I could see being the killer based on one of the stories about her in Fairest. Although that would be a pretty deep cut from Fables lore, and I really doubt that's the direction Telltale is going with this.
I really doubt that Beauty has something to do with the murders (since she appears in the comics), though I could imagine her being the person… more who blackmails Crane. Maybe she saw him enter the hotel with Lily, recognized him, and then took the opportunity to take a picture.
After all, Beast and her are having trouble to make ends meet, which is (probably) at least to some degree the fault of Fabletown administration. It's like the perfect solution: She doesn't need her shitty job any more, and takes revenge on the person responsible for her mischief.
She sure as hell wouldn't tell Bigby any of this, him being the Sheriff and all.
I know, it's a lot of speculation, but that's what came to my mind when I read how someone mentioned Beauty being some kind of distraction set so we won't recognize the real killer to soon.
If Beauty would have taken the picture she would kill Crane. So taking a picture of Crane is impossible. Beauty kills men that mistreat women sexually.
Beauty is actually one of the few characters from the comics I could see being the killer based on one of the stories about her in Fairest. A… morelthough that would be a pretty deep cut from Fables lore, and I really doubt that's the direction Telltale is going with this.
I presume that Telltale Games want to serve us a nice mindfuck, just like most of good crime novels, that's why I think that Crane isn't the person standing behind this whole thing. It's rather someone we haven't known yet or someone who we haven't seen in human form yet, for example Toad. But my predictions might be just wrong. There's still no proper amount of clues to say for sure who the culprit is.
Wow, I'm still astonished you still speak polish at all. I thought that not many Poles beyond the country cultivate polish traditions and language as well.
Actually he is very smart, he used to be a teacher. He is also very self-confident, but also can't stand several things. He's also smart and dumb enough to accuse Bigby.
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There are a lot of possibilities. Crane will likely be fired next episode based on the comics and what is written in the Book of Fables entries. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was the mastermind of the murders. I also wouldn't be surprised if we won't find a mastermind (one always gets away except once).
You would be surprised by how many. Mostly in Chicago (my hometown), and New York.
I presume that Telltale Games want to serve us a nice mindfuck, just like most of good crime novels, that's why I think that Crane isn't the p… moreerson standing behind this whole thing. It's rather someone we haven't known yet or someone who we haven't seen in human form yet, for example Toad. But my predictions might be just wrong. There's still no proper amount of clues to say for sure who the culprit is.
Wow, I'm still astonished you still speak polish at all. I thought that not many Poles beyond the country cultivate polish traditions and language as well.
Hey so I haven't read the comics yet as I just purchased them however is Beauty's 'stalker' story covered?
She says she knows about that kind of stalking that 'it just doesn't go away by itself', is it mentioned in the comics?
I've so far only read the first volumes of the comics, so you're ahead of me in character knowledge. I also didn't know that she has a habit of killing abusive men. From what I knew, i.e. basically the game and her appearance at the ball in the first comic book, I thought that such a behaviour would match her character.
Beauty is actually one of the few characters from the comics I could see being the killer based on one of the stories about her in Fairest. A… morelthough that would be a pretty deep cut from Fables lore, and I really doubt that's the direction Telltale is going with this.
Man, I don't want to spoil anything, but you should know (if you don't know already) that this game is a canonical prequel to Fables comic. Wh… moreich means that at least main protagonists of the said comic are off the suspect list. Which includes like 80% of people you named in yours.
Also, you are missing the Headless Horseman. He is (or was) present in this universe as we can see from the picture book in ep.1 when we investigate Faith's identity.
I have read Fables up until the last issue available and, to be honest, I don't recall any story based on that premise. Although I haven't followed the "Fairest" series where I think Beauty features heavily.
Hey so I haven't read the comics yet as I just purchased them however is Beauty's 'stalker' story covered?
She says she knows about that kind of stalking that 'it just doesn't go away by itself', is it mentioned in the comics?
Thanks.
I have read Fables up until the last issue available and, to be honest, I don't recall any story based on that premise. Although I haven't followed the "Fairest" series where I think Beauty features heavily.
If there is an Evil Mastermind, we can probably assume that so far most things have gone according to his or her plan, perhaps with one or two exceptions that will make more sense to us later in the game. So, it may be useful to look at what has so far been the consequences of the crimes, and who seems to profit from them. The most obvious consequence is that it's strongly hinted that Crane will lose his position, and Bluebeard will gain from that, though I think Bluebeard is too obvious a suspect for him to be the killer. There are also all the discontented Fables, such as Grendel, Toad, Colin etc, who all are unhappy with how things are run in Fabletown. They would want Crane gone, but it would seem rather naive to put their faith in Bluebeard of all people. I won't rule out so far that Bluebeard could have tricked one of them into doing his dirty work for him though.
Another consequence of the crimes is that Bigby is being put into a lot of stressful situations, and one underlying theme of the game seems to be him having to choose between his 'Big Bad' side and a more gentle side. He has a lot of old enemies, and it's possible one of them is trying to set him up and make him lose what little goodwill he has managed to acquire. The Huff and Puff cigarettes at the crime scenes are also a rather ominous clue, I think. Bigby is very well known to smoke them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they've been planted there to incriminate him. If Crane is cleared from being the killer, I could see Bigby being incriminated next.
I think she was implying Beast, since he technically kidnapped her and stuff. But I could be wrong, and we could find out in future comics/episodes. I've read all the comics (And the Fairest ones too).
Except Toad is alive in the comics. And the comics are the only place we know that if someone is alive, they didn't kill anyone nor did they attempt to kill anyone. Toad is at times overprotective and at times angry.
W sumie twarde orzech do zgryzienia. Wedlug mnie wszystko idzie w strone 22 wydania komiksu. Czas ile Crane rzadzil, czas ile Bigby byl szeryfem, itp.
I wish the plot wasn't canonical in the game (or maybe it isn't...). It would be even better option, because narrowing list of suspects by using knowledge from comics is a bit hopeless I think. We should look for clues in the game, not in other sources. ._.
To akurat wiem, choć mam nadzieję, że jednak wydarzenia z TWAU nie będą kanoniczne, pomimo kilku zapożyczeń. Dzięki temu po prostu byłoby ciekawiej, bo wtedy każdy mógłby być mordercą, bo nie moglibyśmy oprzeć się na fabule komiksów.
Except Toad is alive in the comics. And the comics are the only place we know that if someone is alive, they didn't kill anyone nor did they a… morettempt to kill anyone. Toad is at times overprotective and at times angry.
W sumie twarde orzech do zgryzienia. Wedlug mnie wszystko idzie w strone 22 wydania komiksu. Czas ile Crane rzadzil, czas ile Bigby byl szeryfem, itp.
I have a feeling a mix of both knowledge of the comics and looking for clues in the game should tie in together. And if the last episode ends up leading to a comic issue, then there is a bit more room to theorize. People that suspect Crane is just plainly being framed could end up being right that he was framed to some degree. To me the comics should be a helping hand while the clues and evidence should lead us to finding out who the killer is.
Telltale oraz autor komiksów napisali ze gra jest kanoniczna. Chociaż nie kazdy moze byc zabójca kto jest w komiksach to jeden moze, oraz jeden mógl by macac palce w zabójstwach i zatrzec slady które do niego prowadza. Nic nie jest jednoznaczne nawet jesli jest kanoniczne. Ten który mógl a jest w komiksach to Crane, a jesli macacz to Bluebeard. Oba pasuja w tej chwili ale równiez moze byc ciekawie.
I wish the plot wasn't canonical in the game (or maybe it isn't...). It would be even better option, because narrowing list of suspects by usi… moreng knowledge from comics is a bit hopeless I think. We should look for clues in the game, not in other sources. ._.
To akurat wiem, choć mam nadzieję, że jednak wydarzenia z TWAU nie będą kanoniczne, pomimo kilku zapożyczeń. Dzięki temu po prostu byłoby ciekawiej, bo wtedy każdy mógłby być mordercą, bo nie moglibyśmy oprzeć się na fabule komiksów.
From what i have gathered, Bigby seems to be the murderer. Yes, i know people will say "If you read the comics blah blah blah" but since Bigby is the sheriff and one of the only people investigating the crimes, it would be easy for him to cover it up.
I've so far only read the first volumes of the comics, so you're ahead of me in character knowledge. I also didn't know that she has a habit o… moref killing abusive men. From what I knew, i.e. basically the game and her appearance at the ball in the first comic book, I thought that such a behaviour would match her character.
Bigby for a fact didn't kill Lily, he was at the Trip Trap when the head was left at the Woodlands. Bigby ain't the only one who could cover up evidence. Wanna know the only other theory I would be inclined to believe? The ribbon theory.
From what i have gathered, Bigby seems to be the murderer. Yes, i know people will say "If you read the comics blah blah blah" but since Bigby… more is the sheriff and one of the only people investigating the crimes, it would be easy for him to cover it up.
Hey so I haven't read the comics yet as I just purchased them however is Beauty's 'stalker' story covered?
She says she knows about that kind of stalking that 'it just doesn't go away by itself', is it mentioned in the comics?
Thanks.
People always seem to think that Bigby was definitely at the Trip Trap. If you watch the transition from the street to the bar, you would notice 2 things. 1) Right before it cuts away from the street, Bigby's body is not pointed towards the bar, he is only looking at it and he doesn't start to walk towards it. 2) When he enters the bar, Telltale leaves out approximately what time it is unlike they did in any other transition scene.
Bigby for a fact didn't kill Lily, he was at the Trip Trap when the head was left at the Woodlands. Bigby ain't the only one who could cover up evidence. Wanna know the only other theory I would be inclined to believe? The ribbon theory.
The time is immediately after he talks to Snow. There is no time to go back in the direction of Toad's apartment which is not far from the hotel, if you notice it. Therefore this theory lacks logic. Someone might want to accuse Bigby but wouldn't be able to.
People always seem to think that Bigby was definitely at the Trip Trap. If you watch the transition from the street to the bar, you would noti… morece 2 things. 1) Right before it cuts away from the street, Bigby's body is not pointed towards the bar, he is only looking at it and he doesn't start to walk towards it. 2) When he enters the bar, Telltale leaves out approximately what time it is unlike they did in any other transition scene.
The time is immediately after he talks to Snow. There is no time to go back in the direction of Toad's apartment which is not far from the hot… moreel, if you notice it. Therefore this theory lacks logic. Someone might want to accuse Bigby but wouldn't be able to.
I read a theory that said here on the site that could have been the Bigby in his own form "Werewolf", is something valid. I do not know, because the two victims were known to Bigby.
But the death of Snow intrigued me because she was in the car. Unless she has gone to investigate, was at least enigmatic ..
I read a theory that said here on the site that could have been the Bigby in his own form "Werewolf", is something valid. I do not know, becau… morese the two victims were known to Bigby.
But the death of Snow intrigued me because she was in the car. Unless she has gone to investigate, was at least enigmatic ..
Not king Cole! He is just too nice in the comic and he would probably no longer be a mayor if he did it. But he is left and I think it may be connected with what's happening. Everything can happen. You saw Bluebeard sitting in the Crane's chair and arguing Bigby on e4 slide? He will be much more important.
I like your ideas! Honestly Telltale should make it someone who was from EP1. But you forgot the biggest suspect of all. TOAD JR! Hes so innocent that we would never suspect him! For some weird reason I think its someone who doesn't wear glamor so when they put on glamor Bigby won't recognize them. So its probably Toad, Bufkin or Collin.
Of course Ichabod Crane has been set up.
Why would he take a picture of himself and carelessly leave the picture lying around?
Its obvious that someone was 'Glamoured' to implicate Crane in the photo. Plus he works with Snow, he has the opportunity to murder her anytime.
The murderer is not going to be revealed yet in EP2.
Yes I agree, who actually took the picture? There must be more than one person in on this.
I don't trust Beauty one bit. Storytellers don't usually have two romantic interests who are 'whiter than white' - (excuse the pun). So either Snow or Beauty has a darker side. Plus she has money problems and maybe working for someone who has access to Glamour?
From what I know from watching/reading whodunits - its always the ones who are least likely to commit the crime. So for me its either Bigby or Snow. With Beauty as the outsider.
Although its just gut feeling. I have no evidence whatsoever !
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Ichabod Crane is not smart enough to be a mastermind, I think. I just can't see him in this role.
BTW, it's nice to see a namesake from Poland on such a forum. : D
Actually he is very smart, he used to be a teacher. He is also very self-confident, but also can't stand several things. He's also smart and dumb enough to accuse Bigby.
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I really doubt that Beauty has something to do with the murders (since she appears in the comics), though I could imagine her being the person who blackmails Crane. Maybe she saw him enter the hotel with Lily, recognized him, and then took the opportunity to take a picture.
After all, Beast and her are having trouble to make ends meet, which is (probably) at least to some degree the fault of Fabletown administration. It's like the perfect solution: She doesn't need her shitty job any more, and takes revenge on the person responsible for her mischief.
She sure as hell wouldn't tell Bigby any of this, him being the Sheriff and all.
I know, it's a lot of speculation, but that's what came to my mind when I read how someone mentioned Beauty being some kind of distraction set so we won't recognize the real killer to soon.
Beauty is actually one of the few characters from the comics I could see being the killer based on one of the stories about her in Fairest. Although that would be a pretty deep cut from Fables lore, and I really doubt that's the direction Telltale is going with this.
If Beauty would have taken the picture she would kill Crane. So taking a picture of Crane is impossible. Beauty kills men that mistreat women sexually.
I presume that Telltale Games want to serve us a nice mindfuck, just like most of good crime novels, that's why I think that Crane isn't the person standing behind this whole thing. It's rather someone we haven't known yet or someone who we haven't seen in human form yet, for example Toad. But my predictions might be just wrong. There's still no proper amount of clues to say for sure who the culprit is.
Wow, I'm still astonished you still speak polish at all. I thought that not many Poles beyond the country cultivate polish traditions and language as well.
There are a lot of possibilities. Crane will likely be fired next episode based on the comics and what is written in the Book of Fables entries. I wouldn't be completely surprised if he was the mastermind of the murders. I also wouldn't be surprised if we won't find a mastermind (one always gets away except once).
You would be surprised by how many. Mostly in Chicago (my hometown), and New York.
Hey so I haven't read the comics yet as I just purchased them however is Beauty's 'stalker' story covered?
She says she knows about that kind of stalking that 'it just doesn't go away by itself', is it mentioned in the comics?
Thanks.
I've so far only read the first volumes of the comics, so you're ahead of me in character knowledge. I also didn't know that she has a habit of killing abusive men. From what I knew, i.e. basically the game and her appearance at the ball in the first comic book, I thought that such a behaviour would match her character.
I believe it states in the book of fables entry "Ichabod's Denial" that the headless horseman doesnt really exist.
I have read Fables up until the last issue available and, to be honest, I don't recall any story based on that premise. Although I haven't followed the "Fairest" series where I think Beauty features heavily.
That was always ambiguous both in the original story and in that Book of Fables entry.
Cool! Thanks!
If there is an Evil Mastermind, we can probably assume that so far most things have gone according to his or her plan, perhaps with one or two exceptions that will make more sense to us later in the game. So, it may be useful to look at what has so far been the consequences of the crimes, and who seems to profit from them. The most obvious consequence is that it's strongly hinted that Crane will lose his position, and Bluebeard will gain from that, though I think Bluebeard is too obvious a suspect for him to be the killer. There are also all the discontented Fables, such as Grendel, Toad, Colin etc, who all are unhappy with how things are run in Fabletown. They would want Crane gone, but it would seem rather naive to put their faith in Bluebeard of all people. I won't rule out so far that Bluebeard could have tricked one of them into doing his dirty work for him though.
Another consequence of the crimes is that Bigby is being put into a lot of stressful situations, and one underlying theme of the game seems to be him having to choose between his 'Big Bad' side and a more gentle side. He has a lot of old enemies, and it's possible one of them is trying to set him up and make him lose what little goodwill he has managed to acquire. The Huff and Puff cigarettes at the crime scenes are also a rather ominous clue, I think. Bigby is very well known to smoke them, so I wouldn't be surprised if they've been planted there to incriminate him. If Crane is cleared from being the killer, I could see Bigby being incriminated next.
another thing:P Toad mentions buying glamor and then running out all the time, maybe he uses it when hes out killing broads?
I think she was implying Beast, since he technically kidnapped her and stuff. But I could be wrong, and we could find out in future comics/episodes. I've read all the comics (And the Fairest ones too).
Possibly, can't see it being directly linked though
I think the same way. I consider it one of evidence of Toad's guilt. : >
Except Toad is alive in the comics. And the comics are the only place we know that if someone is alive, they didn't kill anyone nor did they attempt to kill anyone. Toad is at times overprotective and at times angry.
W sumie twarde orzech do zgryzienia. Wedlug mnie wszystko idzie w strone 22 wydania komiksu. Czas ile Crane rzadzil, czas ile Bigby byl szeryfem, itp.
What about prince Lawrence AKA "I never heared a fuck from this guym after i saved his life"
I wish the plot wasn't canonical in the game (or maybe it isn't...). It would be even better option, because narrowing list of suspects by using knowledge from comics is a bit hopeless I think. We should look for clues in the game, not in other sources. ._.
To akurat wiem, choć mam nadzieję, że jednak wydarzenia z TWAU nie będą kanoniczne, pomimo kilku zapożyczeń. Dzięki temu po prostu byłoby ciekawiej, bo wtedy każdy mógłby być mordercą, bo nie moglibyśmy oprzeć się na fabule komiksów.
I have a feeling a mix of both knowledge of the comics and looking for clues in the game should tie in together. And if the last episode ends up leading to a comic issue, then there is a bit more room to theorize. People that suspect Crane is just plainly being framed could end up being right that he was framed to some degree. To me the comics should be a helping hand while the clues and evidence should lead us to finding out who the killer is.
Telltale oraz autor komiksów napisali ze gra jest kanoniczna. Chociaż nie kazdy moze byc zabójca kto jest w komiksach to jeden moze, oraz jeden mógl by macac palce w zabójstwach i zatrzec slady które do niego prowadza. Nic nie jest jednoznaczne nawet jesli jest kanoniczne. Ten który mógl a jest w komiksach to Crane, a jesli macacz to Bluebeard. Oba pasuja w tej chwili ale równiez moze byc ciekawie.
From what i have gathered, Bigby seems to be the murderer. Yes, i know people will say "If you read the comics blah blah blah" but since Bigby is the sheriff and one of the only people investigating the crimes, it would be easy for him to cover it up.
Bigby, Snow, Crane, Beauty & Beast, Bufkin, Colin, Bluebeard & Jack.
I think despite the reveal in Fairest (and probably one of Willingham's worst at that) it is very unlikely to come up in the game.
Bigby for a fact didn't kill Lily, he was at the Trip Trap when the head was left at the Woodlands. Bigby ain't the only one who could cover up evidence. Wanna know the only other theory I would be inclined to believe? The ribbon theory.
maybe Gaston? or is that fake disney logic?
People always seem to think that Bigby was definitely at the Trip Trap. If you watch the transition from the street to the bar, you would notice 2 things. 1) Right before it cuts away from the street, Bigby's body is not pointed towards the bar, he is only looking at it and he doesn't start to walk towards it. 2) When he enters the bar, Telltale leaves out approximately what time it is unlike they did in any other transition scene.
The time is immediately after he talks to Snow. There is no time to go back in the direction of Toad's apartment which is not far from the hotel, if you notice it. Therefore this theory lacks logic. Someone might want to accuse Bigby but wouldn't be able to.
You assume too much. You dont know how close the hotel is to toads and we dont know how much time has passed anyway
You also assume too much. Guess both of us need to wait till at least the next episode.
Lol something we can finally agree on. Cmon Telltale, tell us when!
I read a theory that said here on the site that could have been the Bigby in his own form "Werewolf", is something valid. I do not know, because the two victims were known to Bigby.
But the death of Snow intrigued me because she was in the car. Unless she has gone to investigate, was at least enigmatic ..
The first victim Bigby did know. Bigby didn't know Lily who was glamoured to look like Snow who Bigby does know.
I don't play the second episode still. I am expecting the fan-translation to my language, to a more realistic experience. Thanks for the info.
Not king Cole! He is just too nice in the comic and he would probably no longer be a mayor if he did it. But he is left and I think it may be connected with what's happening. Everything can happen. You saw Bluebeard sitting in the Crane's chair and arguing Bigby on e4 slide? He will be much more important.
No problem.
I like your ideas! Honestly Telltale should make it someone who was from EP1. But you forgot the biggest suspect of all. TOAD JR! Hes so innocent that we would never suspect him! For some weird reason I think its someone who doesn't wear glamor so when they put on glamor Bigby won't recognize them. So its probably Toad, Bufkin or Collin.
Hahah I'm not sure. Depends if he's in the original story or not
Of course Ichabod Crane has been set up.
Why would he take a picture of himself and carelessly leave the picture lying around?
Its obvious that someone was 'Glamoured' to implicate Crane in the photo. Plus he works with Snow, he has the opportunity to murder her anytime.
The murderer is not going to be revealed yet in EP2.
Yes I agree, who actually took the picture? There must be more than one person in on this.
I don't trust Beauty one bit. Storytellers don't usually have two romantic interests who are 'whiter than white' - (excuse the pun). So either Snow or Beauty has a darker side. Plus she has money problems and maybe working for someone who has access to Glamour?
From what I know from watching/reading whodunits - its always the ones who are least likely to commit the crime. So for me its either Bigby or Snow. With Beauty as the outsider.
Although its just gut feeling. I have no evidence whatsoever !