Kill ****** causes more damage to the whitehills, but kill ***** seems the right thing to do
Gryff is arrogant and pathetic. Without his father the whitehills are f * cked. he cant command anything. it was so funny see him running out of the house, screaming like a coward "We were betrayed, they killed my father!" looked like he pissed himself. But, i think you cant kill Ludd whithout becoming a cruel person. Im not Blaming anyone for choices ok? But for kill Ludd you have to let your mother die poisoned( Asher) or leave your brother to kill this asshole ( Rodrik). If you try to protect your family Gryff dies anyway.
I didnt see all the possibilities. is there a way to kill Ludd without turning a cruel selfish? even I killed Ludd in my first gameplay. I thought my mother could hold the poison in his mouth and spit it out after. I rewind the game to save her, but thats impossible 
R.I.P Lady Forrester, one of the most heroic characters in this game.
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You're right, it is cruel to kill Ludd then. First you should murder his loved ones, so he can feel the same as we do. Then you should destroy everything he values and seize his riches. But don't you dare kill Ludd after this! Let him suffer ten times what we have suffered. Make him realized that everything in his entire pointless life was for nothing. Only then he should have your permission to die. But you're not going to stop there, NO... you present him to the Boltons to see how weak and incompetent he really is. Let them unleash Ramsay on him. And then have him starve to death. Don't you dare be cruel!
I never said its cruel kill Ludd, its cruel sacrifice a family member to kill him. But your suggestion is gold
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This was my mentality while spiking Ludd's drink, but now I realize that Gryff isn't actually Ludd's heir. The oldest Whitehill could be much more competent, but hopefully Gryff will be a little bitch about things (hard to imagine, I know) and get in a fight with his brothers if they show up.
Gryff's brother who serves the Boltons would presumably take over from Ludd as lord, not Gryff.
From a logical standpoint: killing Ludd, and leaving a maimed Gryff calling the shots is clearly the "best" choice.
However, I killed (non-maimed) Gryff as Rodrik. Throw in the saving Ryon angle, and it just felt so much more right. I killed his guards, made him cry in the mud, then said "For Asher!" And ripped his head off.
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Damn right!
Noo! Nooo!
What have You done?! You should have picked "As Lord of Ironrath, Defender of the Ironwood Groves, I sentence you to DEATH!"... It's so much better, especially if your Rodrik stood up to Gryff in the third episode... :P
I agree, he gives the entire speech as he wimpers, and then gets his head pulled off Mortal Kombat style. It doesn't get more satisfying, I really can't think of a better way.
I saved Asher, so taking a Lord for a Lord seemed like appropriate retribution. Gryff's not even the last standing heir, so killing him seemed less important than killing the piddling brains of the operation. Dying of poisoning while watching your hated enemy do the same is probs the nicest death of anyone who's helped the Forresters, so I wasn't that perturbed. Elena's brother got flayed alive, for pete's sake, and he hadn't even done anything yet.
To be honest, I ended up just stumbling into what I consider the strategic "best" setup for any kind of future conflict with the Whitehills.
1) Saved Asher in Ep 5
2) Agreed to the marriage, worked with Gwyn
3) Killed Griff, tried calling off ambush, etc
4) Gwyn is with Asher at the end
The way I see it is this -- if somehow Asher survives all this, yeah, Griff's useless, bratty self is toast and Ludd is still in charge but look at it this way: Ludd's not the super-competent archvillain one might think. For one, his continued success has been almost entirely based on riding the coattails of House Bolton and hiding behind Ramsay's Plot Armor. And even without meta-knowing the future, it's very likely that the Boltons are going to be unseated soon and they are also pissing off a lot of people in the North, and they themselves have been hiding behind the Lannisters whose star is rapidly sinking. Long story short, the Boltons likely aren't going to last forever. But even without foreknowledge of things that might be happening on that front, Ludd's proved himself to be kind of a blustering, incompetent twit. The Whitehills can't work Ironwood the way the Forresters can, and their main customers (The Boltons and maybe to a lesser extent, the Lannisters) are going to be pretty unsatisfied with the Whitehill output. I don't see the Boltons being kind and fuzzy to their bannermen when incompetence strikes.
Now, if you read into what Gwyn tells Asher (and I don't 100% trust her but there is a grain of truth here) the old man's a little bit scared of Asher, but more importantly, Gwyn jumped ship from Highpoint. Whether that decision will last is up to debate, but again, while I don't 100% trust her I think where Asher is concerned she is more on the genuine side of things; having her in Asher's corner, given how Ludd views his daughter and family in general effectively gives the surviving Forresters an ace in the hole. Gwyn isn't a hostage, she's potentially better than a hostage. Time will tell, though.
I also imagine she isn't with Ludd if you picked Rodrik. They did murder the person she loved, and brutalize his corpse. I wouldn't think highly of father after that.
You have two choices.
Leave Ludd the old, probably unsexual, fatass in charge who tragically is a somewhat shrewd negotiator or just holds a position where things fall in his lap.
Or the Fourth-Born who can sire more Whitehill kids.
It's a tough choice. Do you put out Ludd and risk more Gryffs being born, or do you kill Ludd's son and leave him feeling his family get even smaller?
I did the same thing, except I just let Gryff die from the stab wound I gave him. I agreed with the dialogue option that he was just too pathetic to execute.
Not to mention, using the ol foreknowledge again, Torrhen's off serving Roose Bolton.
If something were to happen to the Boltons with him there...:)
Whoa, I really need to hear that.
I hope that Gryff will kill Torrhen just to become a lord and that he will bring his house to ruins.
I'm actually kind of hoping Telltale pulls one over on us and Torrhen is this decent, likable, intelligent guy who would be a perfect friend if he wasn't a Whitehill. It would definitely give the story a lot more ambiguity. It's not likely though, given how he's in Roose Bolton's inner circle. Not a lot of kind, good-hearted people there.
This is the definition of perfection.
It is cruel to let your mother die, but I really regretted not doing so when I saw her getting slaughtered less than 10 mins later.
Before episode six came out I had told myself I'd make a point of killing Gryff first to see how Ludd liked seeing his children being picked off and his family slaughtered one by one. This of course because I had hoped we would have the chance to take them both out eventually. But as it was I saved Rodrik and when it gave me the choice, I knew I had to go after Ludd. It was totally taking a huge risk since we know nothing about Torrhen, but it'd take some time for him to get back to Highpoint and it's very possible Gryff could make a huge mess of things by that time. And I know I'm horrible but I had long resigned myself to the fact that if it came down to it, I would try to save the house before trying to save Ryon. Sorry, baby brother.
I give Ludd credit though, he took his death like a man. When I went back and killed Gryff though, that was amazing! I loved seeing him on his knees crying. xD Just wish I could have taken his other eye out first...
It's funny, though. If you play as Asher and end up killing Gryff, he doesn't beg or cry.
I thought that was kinda weird since Ludd literally just bit it in front of him, but I think it's a lot more satisfying for Rodrik to encounter him like that. Like here's this guy who's been a self-important pissypants brat and put you and your family through so much and here he is crying. Oh, and he doesn't want to be beheaded? Maybe he should have thought of that before he completely dismantled Asher...
And since Beskha saves Ryon either way, it's fine to go for Ludd. Honestly I even forgot about Ryon after killing Ludd, pretty much wrote him off as dead until I saw him in the ending.
You say that as if Gwyn isn't the token decent and likable Whitehill already.
THIS, this is exactly the kind of revenge I had hoped for - to destroy Ludd both mentally and physically.
Not really, or at least, not completely. She's the only reasonable one, but I wouldn't call her likable. She's patronizing and annoying with her "My family only wants peace in our time, that's why they keep killing your people and telling you to go fuck yourself. You have to bend over and take it, for the sake of peace!" attitude that just dismisses any wish the Forresters might have to not be cattle. And besides, she's far from the peace-at-any-cost angel she purports to be. She's blind to her family's crimes, but she'll stab the Hell out of Asher's abdomen if he doesn't bow down and do exactly what she wants.
Plot armour protection for the win!
I think killing Ludd is going to backfire in a big way, beyond just Ryon's death.
Gryff is only the fourth-born son, which means there are two other Whitehill children we've yet to meet, including Ludd's heir. I'd bet on Ludd's first born son either being a badass cut from a similar cloth as Rodrik or Asher, or much more clever lord than Ludd similar to Littlefinger or Tywin, since Gryff is a worthless, incompetent, coward and Ludd is kind of an unthinking oaf. The Whitehills are due for a character who is a little more formidable.