A question for the old school Monkey Island players..

edited July 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
First of all, thanks for being so cool. When you have a series that has been beloved for along time it's usually hard to break into that community. You guys have been great and I think that's definetly going to help this series to succeed. It's always more fun to get into a game if that community makes you want to be a part of it.

I've always been into console games, this is my first real PC experience( I've played stuff like card games). I loved this episode. Should I go after the older stuff? Will it seem dated? Would I be better off just trying something like Sam and Max? Another issue is that I found this really hard. I loved it, but I got really frustrated at times. Judging from other post, the old ones are harder.
This also scares me.
http://www.amazon.com/Curse-Monkey-Island-Pc/dp/B00004WGVX

Are all of them that high? Anywhere else to get them?

Thanks alot.
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  • edited July 2009
    Check ebay... Yes they are really worth playing... If you have to look ar walkthroughs to get you through harder parts thats ok because the funny story is well worth it.

    Luckily you will be able to get Monkey Island 1 special edition in a couple of days from Lucasarts.

    2, 3, and 4 your should be able to find on ebay reasonably priced.
  • edited July 2009
    Always glad to see new players getting interested in adventure games. Most of us have memorable experiences of adventure games, not because we are so retro-gaming lovers, but more because adventure games were considered the technology pushing genre in the 90s gaming scene (much like how fps and mmo are pushing the genre these days). Okay, I'm lying. We are retro-gaming lovers, but that's beside the point. :P

    Anyway, if you are interested to explore more in this genre, by all means, go for the older games. Telltale games are definitely a safe bet for the easy transition, as it will be on quite similar engine as the one you'd play (ToMI). Sam and Max is a good place to start, especially since one of the episode is playable totally free (ep 104). It is definitely much harder than MI, but you can always post in the forum for hints.

    Other than TTG, there are other recent adventure games like Vampyre Story, Ceville and Ankh.

    I personally would recommend The Longest Journey, which can be gotten quick cheaply off adventuregamers.com at $9.99.

    Will really hold off the retro stuff a little, for the graphics will be dated and a lot of puzzles are literally pixel-hunting. Kind of take away the fun, if you are not dedicated enough to go through them.
  • edited July 2009
    Wow. That's expensive.
    The used ones seen reasonable. but still overpriced.

    Have you tried Ebay?
  • edited July 2009
    You're lucky in that LucasArts is releasing a remake of Monkey Island 1 on Steam on Wednesday for $10, with updated visuals and voice acting, so you can relatively easily see the beginning of the series without it being "dated".

    However, in my opinion all the old MI games have held up incredibly well. I always hold MI 2 as the best in the series, but Curse of Monkey Island is another great jumping on point as the 2D backgrounds still look fantastic and it was the first to include voice acting. You can get it a lot cheaper than that $75 price tag on Amazon (look around eBay sites and stuff).

    However, Tales of Monkey Island Episode 1 is incredibly easy when compared to some of the older puzzles (especially in MI 2 and Curse). However, this is why I again recommend looking into the MI 1 Remake (Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition) as they've added a hint system to help new players. Additionally, it will be available for the X-Box live arcade if you feel more comfortable playing on a console.
  • edited July 2009
    Thanks guys. That's some very straight answers. I really appreciate it. That's what I'm thinking. If' the stories are good, I can deal with the diifficulty. Thanks, for the other recommendations to.
  • edited July 2009
    Definately give them a go. If anything you will be able to understand the references to previous monkey island games, so next time you play it the experience will be even better :)
  • edited July 2009
    OUCH, that's some amazon idiot being greedy, no way is that game worth so much! Try ebay.

    I replayed MI1 a few weeks ago and you know, it actually imo does stand the test of time. It's still funny, it's still charming and it's still absorbing. Will it feel dated? Well probably in terms of graphics and no voice acting, but it's not really a problem. 3 still looks beautiful. Ok so the characters are a little blocky but damn the background painting is gorgeous. Same really goes for 1 & 2, the backgrounds are fantastic!
    4 however well, I find it easier to forgive dated 2d than dated 3d... just look at Alone in the Dark for an example of "so hideous it's almost unplayable"
    Also, it's the worst in the series and most fans don't consider it canon so probably best to go for the first three. You can get all three on cd, the Monkey Island Bounty Pack. I have no idea how much this is on ebay though, it might be cheaper to locate each individually. Certainly it'll probably be easier to find 3.

    And definintely give Sam and Max a go, it's great fun. Of course i'll always have a soft spot for the Lucasarts S&M game but telltale's two series are brilliant as well.
  • edited July 2009
    cole wrote: »
    First of all, thanks for being so cool. When you have a series that has been beloved for along time it's usually hard to break into that community. You guys have been great and I think that's definetly going to help this series to succeed. It's always more fun to get into a game if that community makes you want to be a part of it.

    I've always been into console games, this is my first real PC experience( I've played stuff like card games). I loved this episode. Should I go after the older stuff? Will it seem dated? Would I be better off just trying something like Sam and Max? Another issue is that I found this really hard. I loved it, but I got really frustrated at times. Judging from other post, the old ones are harder.
    This also scares me.
    http://www.amazon.com/Curse-Monkey-Island-Pc/dp/B00004WGVX

    Are all of them that high? Anywhere else to get them?

    Thanks alot.

    Hmmm, I'd say it depends a bit on your age (not so much because of things like maturity, but more so because of things like your focus in life--whether it be on business, a job, family, etc).

    I'm and oldschool MI'er, so I'll briefly share my experience in hopes that it helps inform your decision.

    I played MI 1 years and years ago on the Amiga, and loved it. I never finished it because it was too hard, heh, but I loved it to bits (then again, I loved almost any game to bits then, heh).

    I played through MI 2 years later, after having played through CMI (i.e. MI3). I'm glad to have played and experienced MI2, and even played through it again recently, but I have to admit, it did feel a little dated (and well I played through it recently, I *gasp* went through the "light" version of the game with fewer puzzles).

    CMI, on the other hand, was an experience I thoroughly enjoyed. From the rich, beautiful 2D backdrops, to the adorable characters chockful of personality (enhanced by the excellent voice acting), I feel a sense of appreciation that I got to experience a game as enjoyable as CMI (MI3).

    MI4 was enjoyable, but I felt it took the MI series into a direction that, relative to the old games, felt a little... exaggerated.

    My advice is to wait for the special edition of MI1 and see if you like that. If you enjoy that, MI2 isn't too different, so you'll probably enjoy MI2 as well. MI3 is different to the first two games, but I felt it still had the spirit of the first games. I'd say MI3 is worth playing.

    What might enhance your experience of the games is if you print out a walkthrough and have it handy as you play. It sucks having to minimise out of a game to look at a walkthrough, so if you do get really stuck (or frustrated), you can at least maintain the game experience and move on through the game (although the new special edition of MI1 is supposed to have a great hint system).
  • edited July 2009
    http://www.gogamer.com/The-Curse-of-Monkey-Island--I--for-PC-Front-Page_stcVVproductId22953056VVcatId444710VVviewprod.htm

    A little more sane here, although I seem to remember I got a whole pack of Monkey Island games, maybe 1 through 3 or even all of them up to 4, for about that price or less.
  • edited July 2009
    OUCH, that's some amazon idiot being greedy, no way is that game worth so much! Try ebay.
    Actually, that's some third party idiot wanting to plunder and pillage your wallet via Amazon's interface, as stated by the "Ships from and sold by Hitgaming Video Games" below the "In Stock".

    That "Amazon Marketplace" crap is the second biggest Amazon dain bramage I have ever seen!

    EDIT: Also, I wouldn't be surprised if MI 2-4 end up on Steam in the near future, like several other LucasArts games... :)
  • edited July 2009
    I agree with what other people have said. Check out Secret of Monkey Island: Special Edition when it comes out on Wednesday. If you prefer, it's also coming out on XBox Live Arcade.

    It's a great jumping in point, because not only is it the first game in the series but the special edition has all these updates which you will appreciate.

    As for the best in the series, to me it's Monkey Island 2, but be warned it's also probably the hardest, and there is no speech/updated version for that one yet.
  • edited July 2009
    Might be worth mentioning, if you do buy the older games, you might need a programme called SCUMM VM. I'm not 100% on the compatibility of the old games with new machines. You can play most old adventure games on scumm if you hit any problems playing.
  • edited July 2009
    The other application you may need is Dosbox.

    ScummVM team is dedicated in tuning the more notable adventure games from LucasArts, Westwood and Sierra, but some games may still be buggy. Dosbox, which emulates dos environment, give a somewhat more generic platform, which will work nicely with dos games. You will even enjoy the experience of editing "autoexec.bat" and "config.sys" files for enjoyable time to make the game run, just like how it was done in the before time. Good days.

    Also, look out for fan-make patches of games on the net. They will definitely enhance the experiences of adventure gaming.
  • edited July 2009
    Wow, Amazon, 163$ for DOTT? is the cd made of gold or something? WTH!?
  • edited July 2009
    OUCH, that's some amazon idiot being greedy, no way is that game worth so much! Try ebay.

    People are greedy
    I used to own the Michael Jackson Moonwalker game for the megadrive and have been on and off checking ebay for the last year or two to try to get a copy for about a tenner.
    Theyre about £50 now......
    ....Imagine how much the secret of monkey island would go for on ebay if guybrush died!
  • edited July 2009
    I am almost certain you can get Curse of Monkey Island for about $10, there is a budget release in current circulation and you shouldn't have to pay much more than that.

    Like this for example: http://cgi.ebay.com.au/The-Curse-of-Monkey-Island-Lucasarts-Game-PC-CDRom_W0QQitemZ390067664385QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item5ad1d83601&_trksid=p3286.m63.l1177&_trkparms=|293%3A1|294%3A50#ebayphotohosting
  • edited July 2009
    MrsBBC wrote: »
    People are greedy
    I used to own the Michael Jackson Moonwalker game for the megadrive and have been on and off checking ebay for the last year or two to try to get a copy for about a tenner.
    Theyre about £50 now......
    ....Imagine how much the secret of monkey island would go for on ebay if guybrush died!

    Seriously, people are more in the market of getting MJ's songs/albums at the moment. It will take a few years before the prices of his memorabilia start to spike. A mint condition of Moonwalker will fetch thousands in a decade or so.

    And Guybrush did die. If not, visit Blood Island.
  • edited July 2009
    smashing wrote: »
    Seriously, people are more in the market of getting MJ's songs/albums at the moment. It will take a few years before the prices of his memorabilia start to spike. A mint condition of Moonwalker will fetch thousands in a decade or so.

    And Guybrush did die. If not, visit Blood Island.

    Temporary comedy death from holding ones breath too long or at the hands of a Goodsoup doesn't count...
  • edited July 2009
    MrsBBC wrote: »
    Temporary comedy death from holding ones breath too long or at the hands of a Goodsoup doesn't count...

    damn
  • edited July 2009
    What about from taking medication with alcohol?
  • edited July 2009
    A couple of years back you could get Day of the Tentacle and Sam and Max together for about £12 so there's bound to be copies about. I first played Monkey Island in 1990 and I still love it. Number 2 is the best, but number 3 is probably the most user friendly in terms of graphics, gameplay and sound. I'd definately go for Secret when it's released, and fingers crossed number 2 gets the same treatment. Other than that though titles I'd recommend are:The Tales of Kyrandia games were fun, and I believe you can get a free download of one of the games. Gabriel Knight was brilliant. Toon Struck. Broken Sword (rereleased on the Wii recently). Sam and Max series 1 and 2, and Fate of Atlantis, which is still one of the best adventure games of all time and is included in the Wii Staff of the Kings.
  • edited July 2009
    Shoelip wrote: »
    What about from taking medication with alcohol?
    but MJ is a real person and not a loveably inept cartoon character
  • edited July 2009
    MrsBBC wrote: »
    but MJ is a real person and not a loveably inept cartoon character

    His life is definitely adventurous enough to deem him as a cartoon character. MJ I meant.

    Kind of impressive how big a come-back he is having right now, without even trying. It seem like a whole new generation is getting to know his music with the pop-craze fervent like the 80s. And the whole period of his dubious decisions and *probably* criminal activities is just plain forgotten. This guy is like Guybrush in real life.

    Btw, I'm not bashing MJ. If anything, a part of me was lost when he went to a better place. Rest in peace michael.
  • edited July 2009
    Guybrush is also a great dancer.
  • edited July 2009
    Back on topic. All of the original games from LucasArts would probably be a good place to start (after SMI:SE of course). Personally, I would go with SMI:SE to easy you into the 2d environments of the older games. Then I would go with a game like The Dig or LOOM (or both!). Be careful though because The Dig will make you hate your life with it's difficulty because most of the puzzles don't make much sense (or at least they didn't to me). Sam and Max: Hit the Road is also a good game to help make the transition (LOOM, The Dig, and Hit the Road all have voice-overs, but pixelated graphics). Also, if you think you can take the "dated" graphics and decide to dive in to SMI and MI2:LR, DO NOT feel bad about using a walkthrough. Those games are extremely tough. Also, and this is completely opinion, please don't listen to people who complain about Escape from Monkey Island. It is a great game. I will agree with people that it is the weakest in the series but that doesn't make it a bad game, and yes it IS a Monkey Island game regardless of what people on this forum will say about it. The controls are a little frustrating and
    monkey kombat
    can be annoying but apart from that, everything is a lot of fun and the humor is as good as ever!

    All in all, I would just say go crazy with the older adventure games. All of them are worth your time, especially Monkey Island. Hope my ramblings have helped. Welcome to the community!
  • edited July 2009
    Yeah, definitely wait for a while and watch Steam. Chances are they will release more on Steam soon.
  • edited July 2009
    The Secret Of Monkey Island Special Edition will be released in 2 days on steam. Get it if you can.
  • edited July 2009
    Dude, do yourself a favor. Play every Monkey Island game.
  • edited July 2009
    yeah but the cd version of loom has like, half the dialogue of the original disk version. It makes me a sad Loom fanatic, a very sad one. I loved the voice acting but damn... Yes, I really AM that obsessive and anal hahaha.

    But yeah, play MI!! NOW!
  • edited July 2009
    yeah but the cd version of loom has like, half the dialogue of the original disk version. It makes me a sad Loom fanatic, a very sad one. I loved the voice acting but damn... Yes, I really AM that obsessive and anal hahaha.

    But yeah, play MI!! NOW!

    Haha, the sad thing about that is that I consider myself to be a pretty huge LOOM fanatic and am OBSESSED with a sequel needing to come out...but the only version I've ever played was the CD one...ironic isn't it?
  • edited July 2009
    I so hope they are going to make a remake of MI2 as well if the remake of MI1 catches on.
    I just finished replaying CMI again and I just love it to death.
    The music always makes me happy and the characters are so much alive.
    After all those years it's still my favorite game ever
  • edited July 2009
    cole wrote: »
    Thanks guys. That's some very straight answers. I really appreciate it. That's what I'm thinking. If' the stories are good, I can deal with the difficulty. Thanks, for the other recommendations to.
    One more suggestion: if you do get stuck, World of MI has very nice incremental hints that allow you to get unstuck without spoiling the entire game.

    I've used these hints myself occassionally, and although I guess it's not as hard core as figuring everything out yourself, it beats giving up on the entire game just because you can't figure out one puzzle.
  • edited July 2009
    If only there were a way of downloading these old PIRATE games. It would certainly keep these high prices at BAY. Somebody should really connect the DOTs, it would be ORGasmic.
  • edited July 2009
    I just wanted to tell everyone thanks. The buying tips, the walkthrough tips, the XBLA tips(I'm excited), were all appreciated. This is a side of gaming that I'm glad I found.
  • edited July 2009
    I was able to find MI1 and 2 for 1 cent each on, Amazon, I believe it was. Of course, they were downloadable files and not actual cds. That's one way to save some green. Its definitely better to play the old games before the new ones just because there are a lot of references and jokes referring back to the old games. They're still funny if you haven't, but its better if you have.

    As for Sam and Max, definitely worth it. You should definitely play them.
  • edited July 2009
    Yup. You should definitely play all the MI games, they're awesome. I also really liked Sam and Max Hit the Road and Day of the Tentacle.. there was a CD release at some point with both, as mentioned earlier. I just actually finished playing Loom for the first time (got it thru Steam)... it was really funny in parts
    "I should change my stationery"
    .
  • edited July 2009
    meander wrote: »
    Yup. You should definitely play all the MI games, they're awesome. I also really liked Sam and Max Hit the Road and Day of the Tentacle.. there was a CD release at some point with both, as mentioned earlier. I just actually finished playing Loom for the first time (got it thru Steam)... it was really funny in parts
    "I should change my stationery"
    .

    What is Day of the Tentacle and Loom? Are they by the same team as Monkey Island?
  • edited July 2009
    cole wrote: »
    What is Day of the Tentacle and Loom? Are they by the same team as Monkey Island?

    Yup they're by LucasArts who did MI1-M14. They're older style (Loom was released in 1990, DOTT sometime after that). Loom is a weird one, based around musical spells rather than the normal "pick up x, use x with y" etc format of games like Monkey Island.

    DOTT is more of a classical MI-ish style adventure game. It's a sequel to an earlier game, Maniac Mansion (which I haven't played). Definitely worth a look at. It has tentacles in it!
  • edited July 2009
    cole wrote: »
    What is Day of the Tentacle and Loom? Are they by the same team as Monkey Island?
    Not exactly. Same company, anyway. There *is* a pretty big connection between Day of the Tentacle and Monkey Island in terms of who worked on it, but make no mistake - Day of the Tentacle is a very wacky adventure that overall doesn't have an "epic" adventure feel.

    Loom is a more serious epic adventure, with actually very few ties that I can think of to Monkey Island, which also has very little in terms of humor.

    Loom is interesting in its gameplay. Puzzles are solved by playing music that casts spells, rather than through inventory puzzles. It's actually not too hard by classic adventure standards.
  • edited July 2009
    If I remember correctly, I found DoTT trickier than any other Lucas Arts adventure I played around the time. To paraphrase Doc Emmett Brown, you have to think 4th dimensionally :P

    I'd say Full Throttle is a great starting point. It arguably has the best production values of all the LA adventures, its difficulty is pretty undemanding for someone who's new to the genre, and it's short enough not to suck up your life for weeks on end.
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