Children of Arkham leaders identity?
Who do you guys think he'll be? I hope to god it's not joker.
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Who do you guys think he'll be? I hope to god it's not joker.
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Well Joker seems likley although another likley person is the riddler.
it might be jonathan crane since hes the only one with the skills to make a toxin like that and his mask is pretty scarecrowish from a certain angle
Joker would not work. The character is too serious. Riddler would instantly bust a puzzle.
I'm going with Scarecrow. Just based on the fact that the mask looks like a scarecrow. Also the whole thing with toxins which is Scarecrow's M.O.
His MO seems to line up with Anarky.
I'm debating if it's anyone that Bruce knows.
I don't think Oz even knows who he is.
Let me propose a different theory: what if the leader is a woman?
Whoever it is, they're entirely covered up, but the shape seems vaguely feminine looking.
I have no idea. Also I don't know who the big blue guy was. Could someone help me out there?
Big blue guy is Roland Desmond, better known as Blockbuster. His appearance kind of speaks for itself; big, mean, and strong as shit.
Also, he's voiced by Steve Blum, which is pretty neat.
Thanks bro. Yeah I kind of surmised his role in the story myself the moment he started trying to hit me lol
I was thinking the same thing, their body shape was fairly small framed and as they are using a voice changer it's hard to tell if their voice is overly masculine or feminine.
Holy shit! Remember the station wagon that we stole supplies from in episode 2? It's probably that guy!
Unless it's someone original I think it's probably the Scarecrow. Someone who knows Arkham well. The toxin is more like Venom of course, but I doubt this is a very different take on Bane.
It's coal boy.
Gonna give a shout-out to Thomas Wayne, Jr., aka Lincoln March/Owlman.
We also have the question of whether the Zellerbachs might be involved as members of the Court of Owls...
And of course one logical addition - though given Oz has effectively replaced him in Bruce's friendship it's less likely for him to appear...
I think that the Leader is Thomas Wayne Jr., Batman's estranged brother, who in the comics was disinherited from the family due to his insanity and raised in an asylum.
This would tie into the series' themes concerning the Wayne family's secrets, plus it would explain why the Children of Arkham are called Children in the first place, as Thomas Jr would be a child of both Thomas Sr and the Asylum where he was raised. it would also explain why the Leader has such a grudge against Thomas Sr in the first place.
( more info on Thomas Wayne Jr here )
I would love that
The fact that he's voiced by Steve Blum instantly makes him a great character.
I like this a lot, it makes so much sense.
I was thinking it was Scarecrow, but I really like what ranger563 said above me, I'm going with that.
Its Alfred guys, he's actuality secretly destroying Bruce and the Waynes and getting revenge on the family for what they did to the people in Arkahm and to finally finish by revealing Bruce to be Batman! Wake up people!
Actually... Goddamn that would be a twist.
I think it's Amon from the legend of Korra. Though Thomas Wayne Jr would be a much better choice.
I think the leader is Ra's Al Ghul in my eyes!
I actually like that. It would certainly be interesting for the Leader to be related to Bruce.
It's Oswald's mother! lol
Vicki Vale.
Think about it.
But Steve Blum is already voicing Blockbuster
I'm incredibly tired of Joker to be frank, I'm beginning to find him uninteresting with how commonly he is used.
I admire that Telltale so far has opted out of including him, and I personally would like it if it continues that way, although I'm sure others still like him.
JOKER!!!! Seems unlikely. He wouldn't be that serious or corrupt. I've seen Scarecrow be an option. But an ironic and possibly baseless thing but in the teaser, the leader has a female body shape. and they never said Oz's mom died in Arkham...
I still like him, but he is being overused. I'm glad Telltale gave someone else a chance at main villainy.
If I might be weird for a second, I think a Harley Quinn of some variety, without Joker, would be very interesting.
Mayhaps toned down in outlandishness, depending on the thematic of the game, but I feel that she has her most interesting stories when Joker isn't involved.
That being said, there appears to be a narrative Telltale is already running with, so she might not fit into this particular narrative, still, I want to see more stories about her.
Well she has a comic series and became a superhero in it.
True, I don't really read comics personally, but I'm glad she has some limelight.
Would be nice to see more nuanced stories in other media, but, alas, DC.
What I would like is for them for focus more on the story of Bruce's internal struggle on his intentions, meanings, and ideals, now that he is faced with the fact that his parents were Ruthless crime bosses.
How does this affect his mantra? Would it still be business has usual? Or would he change in some way?
A reveal of a Brother would tie into this perfectly, and I also hope that they change up Alfred so he isn't just the faithful butler archetype (After episode 1 I thought he was controlling the mafia connections of the Waynes, and was responsible for the nerve agent, so I was surprised to see him still helping Bruce).
He could slowly develop to overtly support Bruce in his Batman pursuit, and begin to degrade on his initial warnings, hesitance, and insistence to be Bruce over his other persona, due to the damage done to the Wayne legacy.
Although this might be hard to do since Telltale depicts Bruce and Batman more cohesively, still the same person, while other representations showed them as starkly different people.
Well, the thing is that most writers prefer to remake and re-interpret the great stories they read when they were kids. Very few really dare to defy the sacred canon in fear they shall be rejected or make a lesser story with characters so iconic and loved.
That's interesting, because certain Batman characters were simple caricatures, and were barely fleshed out in the source material.
Expanding on them and creating new dynamic stories would be very interesting, so I appreciate Telltales spin on this license. I especially enjoyed their twist on Oswald, he's a completely different character now, hard to say it's even related.
Harley was originally constantly just a subset of the Joker, but she developed and became something a lot more interesting overtime.
Possibly controversial opinion, but I find the Arkham games rather poorly written, and the characters feel like caricatures (there is also that weirdness in a lot of the leading ladies poor portrayals in the story, Harley was treated like dirt in those games, and Ivy in Knight, bleh). They just never stopped pushing the Joker.
Jokers dead? BAM! HALLUCINATIONS! Prequel game which promises to flesh out Deathstroke and Blackmask? BAM! PREQUEL JOKER! Almost no Black Mask and Deathstroke in the story! Genius!
I actually think she might be the masked character. I think it's becoming clearer and clearer that she is plotting against Bruce in some way.
In episode one, someone manages to record Bruce and Falcone shaking hands. The only reporter in the scene was Vicki who seemed very interested in Falcone's relation with the Deny campain.
Then at the begining of episode two, the newspaper trashing Bruce's family is... Gotham's Gazzete. She works there.
Later in the episode after Falcone is killed she is the only reporter there. How did she manage to hear about the news before anyone else? You'd think that if word had already spread out the GCPD would already be filled with reporters. She was either involved or she has very good contacts. And lets not forget how ungrateful she is, even if you gave her the data.
Finally, in preview to the next episode she says 'do you really think Bruce Wayne is really worth protecting?'
She's definitely... suspicious.
I really hope is a new character...But I think Hush is the best guess...
I feel like the big problem with the Arkham games was their inability to let Joker not be the focus.
Arkham Asylum was a really good game basically an episode of TAS, bringing nostalgia to old fans and bringing a great tribute to the character. So it made perfect sense for him to be the focus.
Arkham City still considered the best by many. Joker was only one of many villains and the game actually killed him off. I still remember the shock and wonder many felt at the ending. What next? How would batman live without the joker?
Well then came Arkham Origins which had Black Mask. Many were excited to see how the relatively minor character would be as a major antagonist. The it turned out it was Joker......... and all others faded into obscurity. Black Mask who had been built up as this huge villain and everyone was excited for....became a footnote in the main story and part of a side mission.
Then finally the big long awaited sequel to Arkham City came. Everyone was pumped for Scarecrow to bring fear into us and this new villain filled with mystery. How will this all end? Well the fear gas is literally only used to make Joker ghost more O.P and Scarecrow does really vague speeches about how scary he is and fear will rule with nothing to back it up. Scarecrow was almost absolutely pointless in the story, infact he looks absolutely confused and helpless in the end. Arkham Knight became a refrence to a much better story which was so shoehorned that it broke canon twice. And the story resolved almost every single cliffhanger from City inti climacticaly and lactlusterly. And it also refused to take any risks with its story only killing minor characters and leaving everyone mostly unaffected. The best thing it had was its ending which is no longer one as Montreal will definitely make tons more sequels. So if anyone wanted they could just ignore the game, which is one of the worst things that can happen to a story.
Overall the Arkham games would have been MUCH better if they had taken telltales approach. Just imagine how incredible and nuance the games would be with reinterpretations of the canon and characters.