About the mole ...

In episode 3, we learn that the children of Arkham hacked into Wayne Tech, using the breach that Lucius created for Batman. And Lucius clearly states that only a few high ranked people close to Bruce could have known about it. And of course, mainly people who know about Bruce being Batman I guess.

That would also explain why Cobblepot seems to know a lot more about Bruce than we think he does .. for example when he enters Bruce's office and says that the room may be larger than what it seems. Almost like he knew about the secret entrance ?

And another thing that's been bugging me is what Falcone said just before getting killed, something like : " You can't trust anyone, and even less the people you call friend. Your parents learned that at their ... " and then he got shot, but he was clearly going to finish with the word " expense ".

I feel like this part is more important than what it seems. At first, I thought about Harvey and how he could distance himself from Bruce only to secure his campaign, or how he could eventually turn into Two Face and then betray Bruce.

But that's not it .. I think that Falcone gave us a hint about the mole. So I asked myself : who could be so close to Bruce as to know about the breach, and then betray him ? Lucius was too obvious since he's the one who told Bruce about it.

Then it hit me, and a name came suddenly in my mind .. Alfred.

Who could be closer to Bruce than Alfred, who practically raised him ? Who could possibly know everything about him and Batman ? And who was present when Thomas and Martha Wayne were still alive ? Only Alfred.

I don't know why, but when Bruce learned that the board wanted him out, and told Alfred that he would be okay as long as he had him .. I had this awful feeling when Alfred smiled at him, and I thought about all this. What could possibly destroy Bruce Wayne ? More than knowing that his parents did awful things .. it would be Alfred's betrayal.

I don't even want to believe it myself, since I absolutely adore Alfred, and I've always loved his relationship with Bruce. But after seeing the change they did to Vicki Vale .. Is it really safe to assume that Alfred is 100% trustworthy ?

After all, he never told the truth to Bruce about his parents ( even though it can be understandable and doesn't seem like a big of a deal ), but furthermore I recall the moment he said he wanted to leave the Waynes because he couldn't stand anymore what they did .. but eventually stayed for Bruce. But Falcone deeply implied that Thomas and Martha were betrayed by someone they considered a friend ..

Could it be possible that Alfred never forgave Thomas and Martha about their actions, and accepted to help Cobblepot ( whose own family got ruined because of the Waynes ) because, like the children of Gotham, he couldn't accept this corruption anymore ?

I don't know, I'm confused .. and I'm still sure that Alfred truly loves Bruce. I don't see why he would do this knowing it will only hurt Bruce. But is it enough to not suspect him ?

God, I hope I'm wrong and that they won't touch Alfred's character ... but after Vicki Vale, I got scared.

What about you ? Who do you think is the mole ?

Comments

  • edited November 2016

    I agree with you about what Falcone told to Bruce, someone betrayed Thomas and Martha and it could be Alfred considering what he said about Thomas. But I don't think he also betrayed Bruce/Batman, Alfred is too important for Bruce and I can't think about a reason to abandone him. Alfred knows better than anyone what a good person Bruce is, depiste his "criminal legacy".

    If a mole there is (high probability) my number one suspect would be the chairwoman, Regina. She continually advises Bruce to leave in peace, to not make a scandal... She is really suspicious and there is also this sentence "Old families like ours should gather together, like birds", a hint for the Court of Owls ?

    Sorry if my english is not good.

  • I feel like you're right. It has to be somebody we know. I feel Harvey's out as he's a target and potentially a villain in the making. Selina is out because she's the anti-hero LI who is helping you thwart the bad guys on the front lines. Alfred wants to sabotage Bruce Bruce is sabotaged and there's no way they get rid of him. Bruce can't function without Alfred's support. Lucius we just met and he's giving us all the tech. Vicki was already revealed to be a bad guy. Montoya isn't close to us. Gordon? The only good cop in Gotham? How do we work with the police without Gordon? Has to be Regina if it's anyone. If it is I'm going to be so mean to her in replays.

  • Yeah after playing episode 3 there was something about her that made me think that she can't be trusted. The way she talked like she was on Bruce's side and how she was looking at his parents for comfort just didn't sit well with me. She seemed like she was trying too hard to convince us that she's on our side when it seems to me that she's clearly hiding something. Outside of the brief convo in episode 1 I wasn't exactly friendly with her in episode 3 because of this.

    With this new adaptation of Batman there isn't a single person that I trust in this game.

    Sarah1281 posted: »

    I feel like you're right. It has to be somebody we know. I feel Harvey's out as he's a target and potentially a villain in the making. Selin

  • What struck me as really off was the way that she was so very sympathetic to you in person and when Oswald was there she was fairly hostile, even when she was quietly saying goodbye at the door to the office. She was being such a hardass that Oswald got the chance to pretend to play good cop by saying Bruce should get to take an important memento. I can see the wisdom of her not being open with her supposed plan to bring Bruce back to the company when this all dies down but there is no reason why she can't openly be sympathetic that he's in a hard position and nice to him while still removing him because it's best for the company. Especially if she actually tried to talk the board out of it like she claimed! I'm getting more and more suspicious of her.

    If she can be rude to Oswald to his face she can be civil to Bruce in front of an audience.

    Smurfbate posted: »

    Yeah after playing episode 3 there was something about her that made me think that she can't be trusted. The way she talked like she was on

  • In any case the mole is someone who works in Wayne Tech and is aware of the backdoor, it also has to be a character we have already encouter.

    The only two suspects are Lucius and Regina, we can exclude Lucius because he works with Batman since the beginning. So there is only Regina left wich acts like she wants to earn Bruce trust.
    By the way I think It's pretty obvious that the CoA suspect Batman and Bruce to be linked, they probably have asked Regina to investigate in Bruce's office, after all and despite what she claims there is NO REASON for her to be here in Bruce's absence.

    It's a little off topic but what do you think about the choice we had with Lucius ? Since the Wayne manor is about to get attacked I wonder if in addition to Alfred Lucius and Selina (if you asked them to join you) will fight at the manor to keep Bruce's secret safe. I would looove to see this.

    Sarah1281 posted: »

    What struck me as really off was the way that she was so very sympathetic to you in person and when Oswald was there she was fairly hostile,

  • Everything you said seems plausible but I don't know if they'll go that way. It just doesn't feel... right.

  • My mind went to thinking it's Regina.

  • Might be a red herring. Telltale has been known to throw those around cough Cryer cough cough Otengryn cough

    AnimalBoy posted: »

    My mind went to thinking it's Regina.

  • If it is Alfred, I doubt he's trying to hurt Bruce. My bet's been the elderly woman working at Wayne Enterprises.

    I feel like, between every character mentioned here, we're still missing someone who could put this all together. Maybe ex-mayor Hill or someone on the police force.

  • Alfred seems suspiciously like he's always trying to mine Bruce for information and has nervous facial expressions when it comes to Bruce discovering more details about his family.

    I would not be surprised if it turned out he had some role in the Thomas Wayne hit and is the mole.

  • I don't think it's Alfred. It can't be, Telltale would not be that cruel.

    Betting on Regina.

  • Alfred already said how much he hated Thomas Wayne. It's possible that he wants to take revenge on Bruce for the sins of his father...

    Everything you said seems plausible but I don't know if they'll go that way. It just doesn't feel... right.

  • edited November 2016

    Talking of ttg, maybe its Alfred :p xD

  • Mayor Hill was the one that betrayed the Waynes... he confesses to ordering the hit at the debate when Penguin has a gun pointed at him in episode 2.

  • That's who had the parents killed. We're trying to figure out how the villains know so much about Bruce and the company.

    pyrrhus19 posted: »

    Mayor Hill was the one that betrayed the Waynes... he confesses to ordering the hit at the debate when Penguin has a gun pointed at him in episode 2.

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