Same thing for me, I made the same choices you did concerning Harvey/Selina and I fucking loved this episode. And I also was getting some Robin vibes with that scene.
I don't know about you people, but I really enjoyed the episode. A 8/10 for me.
I suppose this is because I saved Harvey in Episode 2 and… more 3, did not kiss Selina in Episode 2, choose to have the relationship remain platonic in Episode 3, and told her to leave Gotham in Episode 3. I didn't really care that she only texted Bruce one. Harvey is my bro. I need to save him.
I also enjoyed beating the crap out of Oz. I didn't enjoy seeing Wayne Manor burn at the end, but I will save Harvey. That kid in the crime scene is probably Robin, and the crime scene itself was very well done.
Some irritating bugs, mostly lip-syncs.
This episode had it's ups, and it's downs. Still, liked it a lot.
I'll start with the 'bad' stuff and then move on to what I really liked… more about this episode.
Unburnt Harvey; now, I'm aware that we don't know how much time Bruce spent on Arkham Asylum and what went on with Harvey during that period, but holy crap his paranoia escalated quickly! And that's the problem, waaayyy too quickly! We last see him in episode 3 leaving Selina's house completely broken for his actions as nutty Harvey, yet in this episode not-nutty Harvey seems to be completely gone and there's no good explanation to why that is so. Having brief old-Harvey moments, like a suden sense of remorse, at least on the unburnt version of him, would be just enough to make this all go away. But no, both versions of Harvey are just "Blew up a city block! KEK! No big deal c:".
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Reading some of the complaints, I can see why some people were upset with this episode, especially with the Selina stuff. But based on the choices I made in my game (which was stay platonic, tell her to leave Gotham, and save Harvey) I fucking loved this episode, I found it to be the best in the series so far.
I never really got a sense of the episode feeling rushed, not even Harvey becoming evil even if you saved him. You saw that he was becoming heavily paranoid thanks to the drug in Episode 3, allowing that side of him to start coming out, seeing Selina and Bruce together was just the final push he needed. But even then (at least in my game before I showed up as Bruce), he was talking to himself saying that he knew what he was doing was wrong, showing that there is still a bit of old Harvey in there, he's not completely lost. I am still a huge fan of how they have handled characters like Harvey in this series.
The choices in this episode were very difficult, especially whether or not to show up as Bruce or Batman with Harvey, I spent a good few minutes really trying to come up with my decision on that one. While Harvey would have been more likely to trust Batman, I felt that I did need to go to him as a friend, as Bruce, to try and reason with him. Right now, he's beginning to lose himself, but I still think there's some good in him. And almost all of them had a great level of impact, I really want to see the various deviations in this episode based on what you could do. However, the fact that if you did a pro Selina play through and to have it (for now at least) to have no payoff is very disappointing. It didn't affect my game, so maybe that's why I view this episode higher than others, but I can understand where they're coming from.
While I'm a bit hesitant with how much of a role he's going to have, I did love Telltale's interpretation of The Joker, or John Doe, and Anthony Ingruber did a great job in his portrayal. I am curious about how he knows all this stuff about Vicki, or Victoria, and whether or not he actually does know Bruce is Batman (it was being heavily implied, but I'm not entirely sure). Either way, I still like what Telltale has done with their interpretation of these characters.
The writing, pacing, and direction were great, but there are still many framerate issues on the PC version that are just terrible, especially during action scenes, the patch they released did not really do anything to improve it. Overall, I'd give this episode a 9.2/10.
Also, Walter as Victor Zsasz, I got a good chuckle out of that and I'm not entirely sure why.
Im curious on what Selina is so "busy with" because apparently she absolutely needs to do it which is why she is not in the episode. Wouldnt be surprised if some TWIST happens and shes still working with Vicki or something.
This episode had it's ups, and it's downs. Still, liked it a lot.
I'll start with the 'bad' stuff and then move on to what I really liked… more about this episode.
Unburnt Harvey; now, I'm aware that we don't know how much time Bruce spent on Arkham Asylum and what went on with Harvey during that period, but holy crap his paranoia escalated quickly! And that's the problem, waaayyy too quickly! We last see him in episode 3 leaving Selina's house completely broken for his actions as nutty Harvey, yet in this episode not-nutty Harvey seems to be completely gone and there's no good explanation to why that is so. Having brief old-Harvey moments, like a suden sense of remorse, at least on the unburnt version of him, would be just enough to make this all go away. But no, both versions of Harvey are just "Blew up a city block! KEK! No big deal c:".
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Reading some of the complaints, I can see why some people were upset with this episode, especially with the Selina stuff. But based on the c… morehoices I made in my game (which was stay platonic, tell her to leave Gotham, and save Harvey) I fucking loved this episode, I found it to be the best in the series so far.
I never really got a sense of the episode feeling rushed, not even Harvey becoming evil even if you saved him. You saw that he was becoming heavily paranoid thanks to the drug in Episode 3, allowing that side of him to start coming out, seeing Selina and Bruce together was just the final push he needed. But even then (at least in my game before I showed up as Bruce), he was talking to himself saying that he knew what he was doing was wrong, showing that there is still a bit of old Harvey in there, he's not completely lost. I am still a huge fan of how they have handled characters like Harvey in this series.
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I would not put it past Telltale honestly. But if you did not invite her she just mentions she's "busy" outside of Gotham and that to me is no hint at anything even tangentially related to the overall plot. Unless she flat out lied and was actually working alongside the villains, she is grey area after all. She has no principles, no probity, what matters to her is the paycheck no matter where it comes from.
Maybe Telltale will make us make a difficult choice : choosing between the law and Selina.
Im curious on what Selina is so "busy with" because apparently she absolutely needs to do it which is why she is not in the episode. Wouldnt be surprised if some TWIST happens and shes still working with Vicki or something.
Really curious to know what happens if you go to Wayne Manor instead of Wayne Tower at the end.
Really cool stuff, that only really cool people get to see, because they choose the really cool choice.
I mean, there is a "revelation" achievement name, so maybe Itll be that she was with the Children all along. I kinda doubt Telltale would do that, or maybe she's just pretending again.
I would not put it past Telltale honestly. But if you did not invite her she just mentions she's "busy" outside of Gotham and that to me is … moreno hint at anything even tangentially related to the overall plot. Unless she flat out lied and was actually working alongside the villains, she is grey area after all. She has no principles, no probity, what matters to her is the paycheck no matter where it comes from.
Maybe Telltale will make us make a difficult choice : choosing between the law and Selina.
Possible but this sounds really grim, I mean why would Telltale push that romance so hard and then proceed to make us hate her. No idea how she could have been working with the CoA when their leader considers her a "loose end". In my opinion she is just caught in something bigger than her, she had a job with them in Ep3 but that's it.
I think the final episode will test her will to better herself, with all Bruce told her about how he viewed her as much more than a petty thief without morals. That has to count for something, that must have resonated with her, remember what she says if you pick another answer in that scene : '"now you're ruined it". She wants someone to believe in her.
So yeah I think she will be back to help, not only for Bruce if you were pro Selina all along but also for herself, to give her life some purpose after she laments it as being void in her flat.
That's my reading of Telltale's motivations with her character arc.
I mean, there is a "revelation" achievement name, so maybe Itll be that she was with the Children all along. I kinda doubt Telltale would do that, or maybe she's just pretending again.
Im betting she will appear with Vicki but like i said, she probably has her own agenda, and it probably is helping us, shes just playing them, but itll be a false twist for the player for a little bit.
Possible but this sounds really grim, I mean why would Telltale push that romance so hard and then proceed to make us hate her. No idea how … moreshe could have been working with the CoA when their leader considers her a "loose end". In my opinion she is just caught in something bigger than her, she had a job with them in Ep3 but that's it.
I think the final episode will test her will to better herself, with all Bruce told her about how he viewed her as much more than a petty thief without morals. That has to count for something, that must have resonated with her, remember what she says if you pick another answer in that scene : '"now you're ruined it". She wants someone to believe in her.
So yeah I think she will be back to help, not only for Bruce if you were pro Selina all along but also for herself, to give her life some purpose after she laments it as being void in her flat.
That's my reading of Telltale's motivations with her character arc.
See that's my dilemma. I want Harvey to not get scarred. He seemed okay at the end, physically, when he was getting arrested but he was also nowhere near his right mind so maybe that had something to do with it. Right now I'm going with saving the manor (and it's probably better ot keep his horrific acts to a minimum) but I'm going to change it if taking him down in episode 5 involves him not physically resembling Two-Face at all.
This episode had it's ups, and it's downs. Still, liked it a lot.
I'll start with the 'bad' stuff and then move on to what I really liked… more about this episode.
Unburnt Harvey; now, I'm aware that we don't know how much time Bruce spent on Arkham Asylum and what went on with Harvey during that period, but holy crap his paranoia escalated quickly! And that's the problem, waaayyy too quickly! We last see him in episode 3 leaving Selina's house completely broken for his actions as nutty Harvey, yet in this episode not-nutty Harvey seems to be completely gone and there's no good explanation to why that is so. Having brief old-Harvey moments, like a suden sense of remorse, at least on the unburnt version of him, would be just enough to make this all go away. But no, both versions of Harvey are just "Blew up a city block! KEK! No big deal c:".
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Im betting she will appear with Vicki but like i said, she probably has her own agenda, and it probably is helping us, shes just playing them, but itll be a false twist for the player for a little bit.
Excellent comment! I agree with pretty much all of your points here.
EDIT: Though with regards to the Harvey point, I feel that what they did was alright. Immediately after playing, I was pretty disappointed with a few aspects of what they did with his character, but I've mainly changed my mind. Mainly. And pardon any grammatical or spelling errors, or any incoherences. I'm kinda delirious and busy at the moment. Isn't that a great combo? Why am I even on this website right now?
Harvey drawing conclusions (either correct or false) at Selina's apartment really was what pushed him over the edge, of course combined with all of the other external and internal issues he was battling with. (Geez, there were a lot of those!) Even if he didn't hold the most esteemable opinion of this alter, struggling was probably futile by now, with it being an uphill battle and all that. Without proper assistance, pushing away was likely impossible. And this was something that I've been thinking, so if it's stupid, please don't mock me or anything. I feel that Harvey was completely beaten down at that point, (post-apartment) and was more "willing" to allow his dark, assured side to take the wheels. He felt powerless, betrayed, and incapable, and that little voice in his head promised just what he needed. It offered some semblance of control, in its own twisted way. It likely goaded him into folding, worsened his fears and insecurities. (I mean, it is him, and this is really tricky for a delirious person to describe. We already saw some of this) And I'm not suggesting that he liked his other personality. Just maybe, at rock bottom, he was more willing to allow it control. Not to say that he can't try to push away again, and disapprove of what "he" is doing. Harvey's still in there, after all.
And while you could connect the dots in a way, I do wish that they would've showed the audience more of this progression. It was a little jarring, I agree. It wasn't necessarily bad, I guess. I kept thinking to myself that this isn't Harvey, just as Bruce probably was.
We did see him doubt some of his actions and there were a scant amount of scenes where hints of the old Harvey emerged, but I wish they would've capitalized on this more, mainly in an ultra-bro playthrough. Have him do all of the terrible things he did, but maybe just throw in a tiny bit more remorse from the guy.
I was kind of hyping myself for some variant of a Harvey atonement opportunity, and that also led to me having some more neagtive feelings. I mean, I feel sick and my reasoning here is more petty than anything else, but I'm getting over it now.
Admittedly, I quite enjoyed the scene where you confront Harvey and his henchmen at Wayne Mansion. I felt the scene was emotionally charged, and enjoyed the fact that Bruce could determinately express continued belief in his friend. I'm curious as to what happens with Harvey if you go to Wayne Enterprises. God, I still love Harvey! And I also feel like shit, because I'm not sure if I could've done better. Sorry for so many edits.
This episode had it's ups, and it's downs. Still, liked it a lot.
I'll start with the 'bad' stuff and then move on to what I really liked… more about this episode.
Unburnt Harvey; now, I'm aware that we don't know how much time Bruce spent on Arkham Asylum and what went on with Harvey during that period, but holy crap his paranoia escalated quickly! And that's the problem, waaayyy too quickly! We last see him in episode 3 leaving Selina's house completely broken for his actions as nutty Harvey, yet in this episode not-nutty Harvey seems to be completely gone and there's no good explanation to why that is so. Having brief old-Harvey moments, like a suden sense of remorse, at least on the unburnt version of him, would be just enough to make this all go away. But no, both versions of Harvey are just "Blew up a city block! KEK! No big deal c:".
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People also mentioned how Harvey's decent was rushed.
If anything, this episode proved it sorta wasn't. Harvey is still suffering from the drug, and I think the first third of the episode showed what even the smallest bit left in your system can fuck with you.
I picked the calmest, friendliest dialogue options and Bruce started quoting Mein Kampf.
You can imagine what the drug would do to someone tasked with saving a city synonymous with corruption while his girlfriend is cheating on him with his best friend.
And the worst part is... Harvey has yet to commit an 'atrocity' that wasn't already committed by a leader throughout history.
So for those who took down Harvey (went to the manor)....Who do you think is going to be mayor of Gotham ?
I mean the seat is vacant. Surely it can't be Bruce, so who ?
I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the interaction between Batman and the adopted boy. Most of the time I cringe at scenes between heroes and kids since they often seem forced, but not this time. This felt genuine, it didn't force me to feel a certain way, it gave me the option to react the way I wanted to. The dialogue options were great as well, I found myself saying things out loud only for them to pop up as an option seconds later! Whoever wrote this episode did a great job. My only complaint is that it felt short, I wanted more. I am so anxious for the next episode because this series has been getting better and better.
I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the interaction between Batman and the adopted boy. Most of the time I cringe at scenes between heroe… mores and kids since they often seem forced, but not this time. This felt genuine, it didn't force me to feel a certain way, it gave me the option to react the way I wanted to. The dialogue options were great as well, I found myself saying things out loud only for them to pop up as an option seconds later! Whoever wrote this episode did a great job. My only complaint is that it felt short, I wanted more. I am so anxious for the next episode because this series has been getting better and better.
Well it was good, but it wasn't as good as others. The opening the was great, the middle dragged, and the ending was was great. Also Im pret… morety mad at how they handled Selina, she's one of the best characters and she shows up in a one minute long scene just to say "Lmao bye homie." Also, the lack of Vicki Vale/Lady Arkham was pretty annoying too. Penguin was also basically not in the episode. I guess my real complaint was not alot of characters were touched upon at all. Selina, Vicki, and Oz were almost not existent, and almost everything was focused on Harvey. Don't get me wrong, I loved all the Harvey scenes, but its a little annoying that the whole episode felt like it was about him instead of showing other characters.
I'm really, really disappointed we weren't given the chance to disclose our identity to Harvey. When we went off to confront him on the rooftop, I thought, "Holy shit, this is it!!" But nope. Not in the cards.
guys this episode really left me upset I mean that bitch selina left me without such as a parting kiss! and harvey that burnt faced motherfucker whose ass I kissed for 3 episodes! now hates me over selina who din't like him in the first place! you know i din't believe people who said telltales choices dont matter I gave them the benefit of the doubt and chalked it up as just that those people were hating. But now I see the truth and it makes me sad . All I gotta say is that telltale better pull of one hell of a finale to redeem themeselves from this shit episode.
I love the scene and served as a reminder why Batman is a hero and why he is doing this. My only nitpick is that the Batman's lips wasn't moving in the scene, kinda ruining it slightly.
I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the interaction between Batman and the adopted boy. Most of the time I cringe at scenes between heroe… mores and kids since they often seem forced, but not this time. This felt genuine, it didn't force me to feel a certain way, it gave me the option to react the way I wanted to. The dialogue options were great as well, I found myself saying things out loud only for them to pop up as an option seconds later! Whoever wrote this episode did a great job. My only complaint is that it felt short, I wanted more. I am so anxious for the next episode because this series has been getting better and better.
I really don't have a problem with Selina leaving. She sent a text saying she was glad I was out of Arkham and that she needed to talk to me. She pointed out I was really in no state to fight anyone which was completely true so we did the cure. She said the whole reason she was staying was laying low but with Harvey hardcore going after Bruce that wasn't the best place. She didn't reveal where she intended to go, just that she had things to do which was fair. She was annoyed that her life was in danger because of something she didn't even do which, well, I'm annoyed Harvey is gunning for me when nothing happened, as well. She thinks catching us not doing anything drove Harvey over the edge and I really can't argue with her there.
It might be different if I had a plan or were not clearly still feeling the effects of the drug but I didn't. Selina really doesn't owe me anything and so while it would be great if she could lend a hand, I didn't really expect it. This isn't her problem and maybe if I need her she'll come back and lend a hand with a specific problem in episode 5 (especially with Harvey off the streets). If not then okay. She's already done enough.
I'm curious as to what happens with Harvey if you go to Wayne Enterprises.
I'm thinking that, since he'll be uninjured and free in that ending, we may get the determinant redemption scene in Episode 5. I mean, there were signs that the real Harvey isn't completely gone, if you saved him in Episode 2. Aaand, for that theory alone, I replayed half of the season to choose Wayne Enterprises instead.
Excellent comment! I agree with pretty much all of your points here.
EDIT: Though with regards to the Harvey point, I feel that what they… more did was alright. Immediately after playing, I was pretty disappointed with a few aspects of what they did with his character, but I've mainly changed my mind. Mainly. And pardon any grammatical or spelling errors, or any incoherences. I'm kinda delirious and busy at the moment. Isn't that a great combo? Why am I even on this website right now?
Harvey drawing conclusions (either correct or false) at Selina's apartment really was what pushed him over the edge, of course combined with all of the other external and internal issues he was battling with. (Geez, there were a lot of those!) Even if he didn't hold the most esteemable opinion of this alter, struggling was probably futile by now, with it being an uphill battle and all that. Without proper assistance, pushing away was likely impossible. And this… [view original content]
3 was short but it absolutely didn't feel like 1 and 2 were as short as 4. Chap 4, 5. and 6 genuinely felt like they barely equaled 30 minutes total. It didn't even seem like the so called main bad guys had any involvement in the episode and its the 2nd from last one. Thats ridiculous. Either way I don't see how the other episodes being shorter really makes it better. 2016 Telltalle has had me concerned. From Michone to this everything feels drastically scaled down on the length. Some people felt like Telltalle were doing too much. I don't know anything about their workload but if their solution is to just massively cut down length...well...thats total BS.
Mhm, I know Michonne was a mini series. Doesn't mean the episodes themselves for the same price should be shorter.
I get that they are all corrupt. However the whole situation seemed ridiculous. This crooked cop feels comfortable strong arming someone like Bruce Wayne with those kind of resources? With an excuse that isn't even legal. Like thats going to hold up when the feds or whoever show up to shut the city down. Bruce even took the excuse like it was genuine. Felt like there should've been some laugh in the cops face you really think that is going to hold up type option.
My boss told me I can do something I know is totally illegal to a billionaire and I feel safe trying it!
He's allowed to do what he wants because most of the police is in his pocket and no one else locally has the power to say no to him. It's on… morely been like a week or something, right? The real question is if Batman didn't come in to save the day how long before the National Guard or whatever would be called in to deal with this mess. What does Harvey seriously intend to do once the Children of Arkahm are taken care of? Because I'm guessing the answer is not "back down from a police state."
Now I think of it it's kind of something Bruce should bring up with Doctor Leland if they cross paths again as to why she's so comfortable interacting with a patient no one remembers handing in. assuming that Joker will still be there by that point. I kind of think Lady Arkham wanted Bruce in Arkham so he could speak to Joker in part.
It's not going to hold up and they're all being ridiculously short-sighted but in that moment Bruce is unarmed and still feeling the effects of the drugs and that guy has some serious firepower. All the being right and powerful in the world won't help Bruce if the guy shoots him now.
I get that they are all corrupt. However the whole situation seemed ridiculous. This crooked cop feels comfortable strong arming someone lik… moree Bruce Wayne with those kind of resources? With an excuse that isn't even legal. Like thats going to hold up when the feds or whoever show up to shut the city down. Bruce even took the excuse like it was genuine. Felt like there should've been some laugh in the cops face you really think that is going to hold up type option.
My boss told me I can do something I know is totally illegal to a billionaire and I feel safe trying it!
Now I think of it it's kind of something Bruce should bring up with Doctor Leland if they cross paths again as to why she's so comfortable i… morenteracting with a patient no one remembers handing in. assuming that Joker will still be there by that point. I kind of think Lady Arkham wanted Bruce in Arkham so he could speak to Joker in part.
Well he should either be removed from Arkham if he doesn't belong there or, since he clearly does have some issues, should get some paperwork done on him and be properly committed. Also someone should look into finding out his name.
So for those who took down Harvey (went to the manor)....Who do you think is going to be mayor of Gotham ?
I mean the seat is vacant. Surely it can't be Bruce, so who ?
Im guessing what Selina has to do so badly is going to be important in episode 5. If she just shows up and its never acknowledged what she desperately had to get done, then I feel like they completely wasted her character in episode 4.
I really don't have a problem with Selina leaving. She sent a text saying she was glad I was out of Arkham and that she needed to talk to me… more. She pointed out I was really in no state to fight anyone which was completely true so we did the cure. She said the whole reason she was staying was laying low but with Harvey hardcore going after Bruce that wasn't the best place. She didn't reveal where she intended to go, just that she had things to do which was fair. She was annoyed that her life was in danger because of something she didn't even do which, well, I'm annoyed Harvey is gunning for me when nothing happened, as well. She thinks catching us not doing anything drove Harvey over the edge and I really can't argue with her there.
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Joker is definitely interesting and I want to know alot more about him. How did he get to Arkham, how does he know so much about Vicki, and it would appear that he does know we are Batman.
Now I think of it it's kind of something Bruce should bring up with Doctor Leland if they cross paths again as to why she's so comfortable i… morenteracting with a patient no one remembers handing in. assuming that Joker will still be there by that point. I kind of think Lady Arkham wanted Bruce in Arkham so he could speak to Joker in part.
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If you read the news articles in the Batcave, there's an article saying she was reinstated.
Same thing for me, I made the same choices you did concerning Harvey/Selina and I fucking loved this episode. And I also was getting some Robin vibes with that scene.
Stellar post. I have nothing more to add.
Reading some of the complaints, I can see why some people were upset with this episode, especially with the Selina stuff. But based on the choices I made in my game (which was stay platonic, tell her to leave Gotham, and save Harvey) I fucking loved this episode, I found it to be the best in the series so far.
I never really got a sense of the episode feeling rushed, not even Harvey becoming evil even if you saved him. You saw that he was becoming heavily paranoid thanks to the drug in Episode 3, allowing that side of him to start coming out, seeing Selina and Bruce together was just the final push he needed. But even then (at least in my game before I showed up as Bruce), he was talking to himself saying that he knew what he was doing was wrong, showing that there is still a bit of old Harvey in there, he's not completely lost. I am still a huge fan of how they have handled characters like Harvey in this series.
The choices in this episode were very difficult, especially whether or not to show up as Bruce or Batman with Harvey, I spent a good few minutes really trying to come up with my decision on that one. While Harvey would have been more likely to trust Batman, I felt that I did need to go to him as a friend, as Bruce, to try and reason with him. Right now, he's beginning to lose himself, but I still think there's some good in him. And almost all of them had a great level of impact, I really want to see the various deviations in this episode based on what you could do. However, the fact that if you did a pro Selina play through and to have it (for now at least) to have no payoff is very disappointing. It didn't affect my game, so maybe that's why I view this episode higher than others, but I can understand where they're coming from.
While I'm a bit hesitant with how much of a role he's going to have, I did love Telltale's interpretation of The Joker, or John Doe, and Anthony Ingruber did a great job in his portrayal. I am curious about how he knows all this stuff about Vicki, or Victoria, and whether or not he actually does know Bruce is Batman (it was being heavily implied, but I'm not entirely sure). Either way, I still like what Telltale has done with their interpretation of these characters.
The writing, pacing, and direction were great, but there are still many framerate issues on the PC version that are just terrible, especially during action scenes, the patch they released did not really do anything to improve it. Overall, I'd give this episode a 9.2/10.
Also, Walter as Victor Zsasz, I got a good chuckle out of that and I'm not entirely sure why.
Im curious on what Selina is so "busy with" because apparently she absolutely needs to do it which is why she is not in the episode. Wouldnt be surprised if some TWIST happens and shes still working with Vicki or something.
"Hey Walter, just settling a bet. What happens if you make a tally before you cook some mean peaches and beans?"
I would not put it past Telltale honestly. But if you did not invite her she just mentions she's "busy" outside of Gotham and that to me is no hint at anything even tangentially related to the overall plot. Unless she flat out lied and was actually working alongside the villains, she is grey area after all. She has no principles, no probity, what matters to her is the paycheck no matter where it comes from.
Maybe Telltale will make us make a difficult choice : choosing between the law and Selina.
FIGHT ME!
I mean, there is a "revelation" achievement name, so maybe Itll be that she was with the Children all along. I kinda doubt Telltale would do that, or maybe she's just pretending again.
Possible but this sounds really grim, I mean why would Telltale push that romance so hard and then proceed to make us hate her. No idea how she could have been working with the CoA when their leader considers her a "loose end". In my opinion she is just caught in something bigger than her, she had a job with them in Ep3 but that's it.
I think the final episode will test her will to better herself, with all Bruce told her about how he viewed her as much more than a petty thief without morals. That has to count for something, that must have resonated with her, remember what she says if you pick another answer in that scene : '"now you're ruined it". She wants someone to believe in her.
So yeah I think she will be back to help, not only for Bruce if you were pro Selina all along but also for herself, to give her life some purpose after she laments it as being void in her flat.
That's my reading of Telltale's motivations with her character arc.
Im betting she will appear with Vicki but like i said, she probably has her own agenda, and it probably is helping us, shes just playing them, but itll be a false twist for the player for a little bit.
See that's my dilemma. I want Harvey to not get scarred. He seemed okay at the end, physically, when he was getting arrested but he was also nowhere near his right mind so maybe that had something to do with it. Right now I'm going with saving the manor (and it's probably better ot keep his horrific acts to a minimum) but I'm going to change it if taking him down in episode 5 involves him not physically resembling Two-Face at all.
Pretty good idea I'd say.
Excellent comment! I agree with pretty much all of your points here.
EDIT: Though with regards to the Harvey point, I feel that what they did was alright. Immediately after playing, I was pretty disappointed with a few aspects of what they did with his character, but I've mainly changed my mind. Mainly. And pardon any grammatical or spelling errors, or any incoherences. I'm kinda delirious and busy at the moment. Isn't that a great combo? Why am I even on this website right now?
Harvey drawing conclusions (either correct or false) at Selina's apartment really was what pushed him over the edge, of course combined with all of the other external and internal issues he was battling with. (Geez, there were a lot of those!) Even if he didn't hold the most esteemable opinion of this alter, struggling was probably futile by now, with it being an uphill battle and all that. Without proper assistance, pushing away was likely impossible. And this was something that I've been thinking, so if it's stupid, please don't mock me or anything. I feel that Harvey was completely beaten down at that point, (post-apartment) and was more "willing" to allow his dark, assured side to take the wheels. He felt powerless, betrayed, and incapable, and that little voice in his head promised just what he needed. It offered some semblance of control, in its own twisted way. It likely goaded him into folding, worsened his fears and insecurities. (I mean, it is him, and this is really tricky for a delirious person to describe. We already saw some of this) And I'm not suggesting that he liked his other personality. Just maybe, at rock bottom, he was more willing to allow it control. Not to say that he can't try to push away again, and disapprove of what "he" is doing. Harvey's still in there, after all.
And while you could connect the dots in a way, I do wish that they would've showed the audience more of this progression. It was a little jarring, I agree. It wasn't necessarily bad, I guess. I kept thinking to myself that this isn't Harvey, just as Bruce probably was.
We did see him doubt some of his actions and there were a scant amount of scenes where hints of the old Harvey emerged, but I wish they would've capitalized on this more, mainly in an ultra-bro playthrough. Have him do all of the terrible things he did, but maybe just throw in a tiny bit more remorse from the guy.
I was kind of hyping myself for some variant of a Harvey atonement opportunity, and that also led to me having some more neagtive feelings. I mean, I feel sick and my reasoning here is more petty than anything else, but I'm getting over it now.
Admittedly, I quite enjoyed the scene where you confront Harvey and his henchmen at Wayne Mansion. I felt the scene was emotionally charged, and enjoyed the fact that Bruce could determinately express continued belief in his friend. I'm curious as to what happens with Harvey if you go to Wayne Enterprises. God, I still love Harvey! And I also feel like shit, because I'm not sure if I could've done better. Sorry for so many edits.
People also mentioned how Harvey's decent was rushed.
If anything, this episode proved it sorta wasn't. Harvey is still suffering from the drug, and I think the first third of the episode showed what even the smallest bit left in your system can fuck with you.
I picked the calmest, friendliest dialogue options and Bruce started quoting Mein Kampf.
You can imagine what the drug would do to someone tasked with saving a city synonymous with corruption while his girlfriend is cheating on him with his best friend.
And the worst part is... Harvey has yet to commit an 'atrocity' that wasn't already committed by a leader throughout history.
I'm sorry, I'm not really sure what your comment has to do with mine?
That was amazing!
So for those who took down Harvey (went to the manor)....Who do you think is going to be mayor of Gotham ?
I mean the seat is vacant. Surely it can't be Bruce, so who ?
I really enjoyed this episode. I loved the interaction between Batman and the adopted boy. Most of the time I cringe at scenes between heroes and kids since they often seem forced, but not this time. This felt genuine, it didn't force me to feel a certain way, it gave me the option to react the way I wanted to. The dialogue options were great as well, I found myself saying things out loud only for them to pop up as an option seconds later! Whoever wrote this episode did a great job. My only complaint is that it felt short, I wanted more. I am so anxious for the next episode because this series has been getting better and better.
I didnt know how to feel about telling him he was the kid who saved Batman as my mouth didnt move for 10 seconds.
I agree with most the things you say, although I bet they have major plans in episode 5 for Vicki, which will probably make up for it.
I'm really, really disappointed we weren't given the chance to disclose our identity to Harvey. When we went off to confront him on the rooftop, I thought, "Holy shit, this is it!!" But nope. Not in the cards.
guys this episode really left me upset I mean that bitch selina left me without such as a parting kiss! and harvey that burnt faced motherfucker whose ass I kissed for 3 episodes! now hates me over selina who din't like him in the first place! you know i din't believe people who said telltales choices dont matter I gave them the benefit of the doubt and chalked it up as just that those people were hating. But now I see the truth and it makes me sad . All I gotta say is that telltale better pull of one hell of a finale to redeem themeselves from this shit episode.
I love the scene and served as a reminder why Batman is a hero and why he is doing this. My only nitpick is that the Batman's lips wasn't moving in the scene, kinda ruining it slightly.
I really don't have a problem with Selina leaving. She sent a text saying she was glad I was out of Arkham and that she needed to talk to me. She pointed out I was really in no state to fight anyone which was completely true so we did the cure. She said the whole reason she was staying was laying low but with Harvey hardcore going after Bruce that wasn't the best place. She didn't reveal where she intended to go, just that she had things to do which was fair. She was annoyed that her life was in danger because of something she didn't even do which, well, I'm annoyed Harvey is gunning for me when nothing happened, as well. She thinks catching us not doing anything drove Harvey over the edge and I really can't argue with her there.
It might be different if I had a plan or were not clearly still feeling the effects of the drug but I didn't. Selina really doesn't owe me anything and so while it would be great if she could lend a hand, I didn't really expect it. This isn't her problem and maybe if I need her she'll come back and lend a hand with a specific problem in episode 5 (especially with Harvey off the streets). If not then okay. She's already done enough.
I'm thinking that, since he'll be uninjured and free in that ending, we may get the determinant redemption scene in Episode 5. I mean, there were signs that the real Harvey isn't completely gone, if you saved him in Episode 2. Aaand, for that theory alone, I replayed half of the season to choose Wayne Enterprises instead.
Please don't let the Harvey fans down, Telltale.
Please.
I really loved this episode, is my second favorite! 8/10
Very good episode but I am a little disappointed that catwoman hadn't really much screen time.
3 was short but it absolutely didn't feel like 1 and 2 were as short as 4. Chap 4, 5. and 6 genuinely felt like they barely equaled 30 minutes total. It didn't even seem like the so called main bad guys had any involvement in the episode and its the 2nd from last one. Thats ridiculous. Either way I don't see how the other episodes being shorter really makes it better. 2016 Telltalle has had me concerned. From Michone to this everything feels drastically scaled down on the length. Some people felt like Telltalle were doing too much. I don't know anything about their workload but if their solution is to just massively cut down length...well...thats total BS.
Mhm, I know Michonne was a mini series. Doesn't mean the episodes themselves for the same price should be shorter.
I get that they are all corrupt. However the whole situation seemed ridiculous. This crooked cop feels comfortable strong arming someone like Bruce Wayne with those kind of resources? With an excuse that isn't even legal. Like thats going to hold up when the feds or whoever show up to shut the city down. Bruce even took the excuse like it was genuine. Felt like there should've been some laugh in the cops face you really think that is going to hold up type option.
My boss told me I can do something I know is totally illegal to a billionaire and I feel safe trying it!
You know, given that the Joker wasn't even committed and there's no paperwork keeping him there, Bruce seems REALLY sure he'll never get out.
Now I think of it it's kind of something Bruce should bring up with Doctor Leland if they cross paths again as to why she's so comfortable interacting with a patient no one remembers handing in. assuming that Joker will still be there by that point. I kind of think Lady Arkham wanted Bruce in Arkham so he could speak to Joker in part.
It's not going to hold up and they're all being ridiculously short-sighted but in that moment Bruce is unarmed and still feeling the effects of the drugs and that guy has some serious firepower. All the being right and powerful in the world won't help Bruce if the guy shoots him now.
But what should Dr. Leland do? I mean he is already in Arkham. They could only hospitalize him in.... yeah... Arkham.
Well he should either be removed from Arkham if he doesn't belong there or, since he clearly does have some issues, should get some paperwork done on him and be properly committed. Also someone should look into finding out his name.
Anyone notice blockbuster just stares out the window? I heard a theory he's waiting for a signal from the children and he'll stage a breakout.
Lord and savior Frank.
Im guessing what Selina has to do so badly is going to be important in episode 5. If she just shows up and its never acknowledged what she desperately had to get done, then I feel like they completely wasted her character in episode 4.
Joker is definitely interesting and I want to know alot more about him. How did he get to Arkham, how does he know so much about Vicki, and it would appear that he does know we are Batman.
I think it's implied that Batman gave him some form of brain damage.