Model reuse (No blame thread)
I'm just wondering, what characters had reused models, and what had models just for themselves?
Guybrush of course has a model just ofr himself, right?And I guess LeChuck got one too.
But what about Morgan and Elaine, did they have the same model (body?) or were they completelly different ones?
Newspaper boy, D'oro and the one on Spoon Island where the same, and all the thin pirates too I guess.
But what with Winslow, was he the same fat model?I couldn't really get it, he kinda saw different from all of them, or am I mistaken?
Any other model reuse?
Guybrush of course has a model just ofr himself, right?And I guess LeChuck got one too.
But what about Morgan and Elaine, did they have the same model (body?) or were they completelly different ones?
Newspaper boy, D'oro and the one on Spoon Island where the same, and all the thin pirates too I guess.
But what with Winslow, was he the same fat model?I couldn't really get it, he kinda saw different from all of them, or am I mistaken?
Any other model reuse?
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And the mer... persons all had the same model, too, if I saw that right.
so far in spinner cay, the only character were the model reuse bothers me, is winslow. he should have his own model, since he will probably be present in every episode. having him look similar to all the generic pirates is somewhat strange.
well, on the other hand...take a look at escape from monkey island...they had like two models for general pirates as well and they all looked exactly the same..and also quite ugly.
I usually don't quote a whole post, but I agree with everything you said. I too thought the glassblower was the guy you punched in the face. I too got annoyed in the first chapter that there were only 2 ways the characters looked.
And I too thought chapter two was a lot better. Thanks for that, guys.
It seemed to me that Morgan had bigger thighs than Elaine, but I could be wrong. You don't really see them side by side, or in similar postures, to really compare.
The model reusing is the only downside of TOMI in my opinion.
i don't think it's a limitation from the engine. hasn't it been said, that the reuse of the pirate models is to save resources mostly, so the wii version won't get problems?
on the other hand creating entirely new characters does need some time and so far most telltale games had only a handful of characters. it's also a time thing, i guess..
Lemonade guy from Curse of Monkey Island:
Read through the cast. You can recognise almost every character in it. The only characters who's faces I can't remember are Snowcone Guy, Wharf Rat and La Foot (and of course the generic swordfighting pirates. I'm already forgetting TOMI characters.
..but you see, he had entirely different graphics than all the other characters and i still forgot his name.
For a lot of the ToMI characters you'll have to ask "is he one of the tall guys or one of the short guys?".
It hasn't been very long but I'm already mixing up some of the characters, especially the tall ones.
Winslow is an important character so far, with a clear personality and it looks like he's sticking around. Yet he's mostly made different by having a different skin tone.
I have a lot less of a problem with the whole thing with episode 2 though, as I said earlier. In Episode 1, I mixed some characters together. In episode 2, I didn't.
Hopefully episode 3 will be more like 2 than 1. But I can definitely understand why it would be less time-consuming to have the NPC look similar to each other.
I guess that's one good thing about 2D: the characters all look different and unique.
(To be fair, I think the characters also look BETTER in 2D than they do in 3D. I still feel that CoMI looks better aesthetically that ToMI does. Plus it doesn't have that confusing way of moving Guybrush by holding down the mouse button ad picking a direction. I still don't get why it's not point & click like the Sam and Max games are.)
Wharf Rat And Snowcone guys were employees at the Big Whoop! The Rat is the guy in the giant rat costume who throws a pie at you, and isn't too keen about this job. And the Snowcone guy er..sells snowcones, which help you defeat LeChuck's spell.
Guess again.
Look a little closer at the guys fighting with LeChuck. The reuse of that model was well done I thought & I'm not surprised a lot of people didn't notice.
Yeah, I noticed that too. But he looks different enough that it doesn't really matter. Like others have said, my only real disappointment is with Winslow. He's definitely one of my new favorite characters, but he's just one of a dozen short and fat guys.
I totally second that. Most of the ToMI Island side characters don't stay in my memory as seperate, interesting characters, but just as "another fat guy" and "another tall guy". Or another merfolks guy/girl/whatever.
(That excludes the characters from previous games as well as Morgan LeFlay and the Marquis de Singe, the best designed additions so far.)
While ToMI 1 had several weak points, ToMI 2 has only this essential weak point bothering me. But it's getting more and more annoying. I know the budget is limited, but in other TellTale series we never had 6 people looking exactly like Bosco, Major Crum and so on. And even if the TellTale team reuses models, it should just at least add about 3 or 4 new models every episode to choose from. There should be enough time for that while we wait...
Don't get me wrong, I love the ToMI series. I just wished this thing wouldn't spoil a lot of the side characters. With a more individual design, they could even be much more interesting.
and no morgan and elaine are very different models
Wasn't that the one using Guybrush's model? And aside from that, that's not the kind of character I consider to be worth remembering... :rolleyes:
That gang was neither interesting nor funny nor really important. It fullfilled its part of the story quite well, but that's it. Therefore I don't really blame TTG if they don't want to introduce new models for such insignificant characters. But I want new models for the important and/or funny roles.
I'm getting used to the similiar models. It doesn't really bother me THAT much and I'm willing to forgive TTG for it. Why?
Well, the main characters are memorable enough. Not just LeChuck, Elaine, Guybrush and De Singe. Take McGillicutty and Van Winslow for example. They use the "common" animations but I don't doubt they'd be remembered by fans.
Even some of the secondary characters are memorable. Of the top of my head, I can say Joaquin D'Oro, McGee and Davey Nipperkin, Anemonae and Tetris. I don't recall the glassblower or the 2 pirates from Episode 2 (Grump and Digit?), but that's normal.
There are lots of characters from previous games I don't recall. If someone remembers them all, thats not because the character were that memorable, it's because we played those games more than once or spent alot more time on each island, had more dialog options or the names were just puns. It's hard to forget a character named Plasido Domingo, Marco Polo, Cabana Boy, Lemonhead (He has an actual lemon for a head! How do you forget his name.)
Compare Nipperkin, Winslow and that lame tough cook. They all appear to have different body language, to me. Body language is portrayed by animation. The models look different but same shape and size due to different textures for each character. The mouth and eyes receive a lot more attention at TT than any LA game I've ever played (even the intro to EMI!). I reckon we should do our best to ignore the fact most look related and enjoy the humour and story.
btw "humour":
That whole reusing even resulted in a kind of unintentional joke. At least for me. Anemone asking Guybrush about Winslow "Does he have a cousin?" made me lol, but not for the reason it was supposed to.
I almost wanted Guybrush to answer: "One cousin? Dozens!" XD
Can someone grab a still of both Elaine and Morgan (made of hot polygons!) and paste them in this thread?
EDIT: Oh no, wait. By now, Sam & Max is available on Wii, too. So the Wii can't be the reason.
And SBCG4AP is something completely different. It had at least 12 distinct common characters (Strong Bad, Bubs, Strong Mad, Homestar Runner, Marzipan, Coach Z, The Cheat, Strong Sad, Pom-Pom, King of Town, Poopsmith and Homsar) plus a lot of additions in its games, cartoons and so on. But you can't compare it to ToMI. Because the graphics and especially the animations are much simpler. Look at Homestar Runner not even having arms, for example.
Actually, it can.
Sam and Max came out for wii on DVD.
Monkey Island as WIIWARE download.
Bartender - Roger Jackson *
Crimpdigit - Tim Talbot **
DeSinge - Jared Emerson-Johnson ***
D'Oro - David Boyll ****
Elaine - Alexandra Boyd
Guybrush Threepwood - Dominic Armato
LeChuck - Adam Harrington
Marshall - Brian Sommer *****
McGee - Roger Jackson
Club 41 Member 1 - Brian Sommer
Club 41 Member 2 - Alison Ewing
Threatening Voice - Nicki Rapp
Nipperkin - Tim Talbot
Rockrib - Brian Sommer
The Voodoo Lady - Alison Ewing
Reginald Van Winslow - Roger Jackson
Cast episode 2
Anemone - Sirenetta Leoni
DeSinge - Jared Emerson-Johnson
Elaine - Alexandra Boyd
Guybrush Threepwood - Dominic Armato
Pirate Bill - Brian Sommer
Pirate Ted - Kid Beyond
Pirate Kevin - Jared Emerson-Johnson
Killick Hardtack - Brian Sommer
LeChuck - Kevin Blackton
Murkel Trenchfoot - Kid Beyond
McGillicutty - Kid Beyond
MerLeader - Peggy VanPatten
Morgan LeFlay - Nicki Rapp
Parrot - Dominic Armato
Tetra - Michael Landers
Voodoo Lady - Alison Ewing
Winslow - Roger Jackson
* Abe Lincoln/Storm Moai
** Harry Moleman/Ted E. Bear
*** the C.O.P.S.
**** Hugh Bliss/Mr. Featherly/Earth Moai/Greeter/The Internet Wizard
***** Brady Culture/Monster/Purple Rat Creature/Dirk
I hope he sticks around for the rest of TMI, especially if we get a musical number somewhere.
A beat boxing pirate? That's something different to an insult swordfighting pirate
When I made the above list of names, I should've looked up who's behind that name Kid Beyond. I thought to my self: who has such a wierd name :rolleyes: DUH!
But the only seem to change color.
As for Winslow model, I think it's been reused for like 5 times already.
Every character has a unique model. The models are not what's being recycled, it's the animation meshes.
Unique meshes are: Guybrush, Elaine, Ghost LeChuck, Human LeChuck, DeSinge, Voodoo Lady, Morgan, MerFolk, McGee (maybe), Fat pirate, skinny pirate, and medium pirate (guy with the moustache who fights LeChuck, though I think he might use guybrush's facial animations).