Generally, is GT TOO capable now?

edited September 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
Just generally, is Guybrush, that lovable pirate, now so capable as a pirate (apparently enough to get his own fangirl >.>) that he's...too capable?

I mean just in the very opening of Chapter 1:

- no hesitation, stabs zombie pirate demon LeChuck
- also seemingly no further hesitation, was going to stab HUMAN LeChuck

Chapter 2:

- he digs up buried treasure without you going through finding a shovel for him to use. He's got one BUILT INTO HIS PANTS!

Chapter 3 (slight spoilers):

- pretty much asks Morgan to please kill the mutineers before they kill him. While he prolly doesn't want them to be actually killed, he doesn't seem all too non-plussed at the probability they would be.

Though replaying CMI, I remembered he actually can aim and shoot a gun, which is something I forgot he had done.

The only MI I never completed was MI2. Can anyone tell me he did anything particularly ruthless there - not thieving - I mean, bodily/mortal harm to another person or something?

Because capable GT more than freaks me out a little.

Or it's kinda hot. Gotta work on that fanart now *cough*...

Comments

  • edited September 2009
    GT has always been capable. He was just a little nerdy with it, that's all. He always had some smart answer to get him out of trouble & he was always one step ahead of everyone else.

    MI4 ruined his personality tough. They turned him into a completely useless, bumbling halfwit that had to be told what to do by his wife. He was like a loyal but dumb dog.

    Now he's back, just the way he should be & I thank TT for looking at his personality & bringing it back. One slight problem is other characters in the story are realising that GT is more than capable, where before, only GT & you the player knew what he was capable of. Try telling people how you destroyed the G.P. LeChuck & they wouldn't believe you. People thought you were a wimp, but we knew otherwise & that we'd eventually save the day. Now, people agree with you a little more about your skills which takes away a little of the charm.

    But really, I'm glad capable GT is back. I couldn't stand whoever that puss was in EMI.
  • edited September 2009
    He stabs Largo's voodoo doll and twists it around in many ways

    He rips LeChucks leg off

    And that's just what's immediately coming to mind.
  • edited September 2009
    You don't survive being a pirate for ten years, with a beautiful and talented wife and all the pirates on the Caribbean knowing who you are and wanting to take you down a peg (remember in MI2, a lot of people knew about Guybrush taking down LeChuck, and his continual successes, as well as marrying a beautiful governor, would have only ekpt the rumour mill going), without learning a thing or two.

    It would have been unrealistic, considering the bent the story's taken of more or less letting Guybrush keep what he's won, for him to stay incompetent. It would have grown extremely thin to continually have LeChuck asserting that he's more powerful than Guybrush when Guybrush has bested him time and time again.

    It's one of the reasons I really like Morgan LeFlay as an antagonist: she wouldn't work as an antagonist if Guybrush didn't have something to lose, whether it be his reputation, his wife or his life. She's entirely unlike LeChuck or the Marquis, who consider themselves more powerful than Guybrush, in that she knows he's got it all and wants whatever part of it she can get, whether it's his heart or his... literal heart.
  • edited September 2009
    The thing about Guybrush is that he always has been very aware of his own character shield.

    He's happy to do anything, no matter how dangerous, because he knows he's never actually going to die.
  • edited September 2009
    Byakko wrote: »
    - he digs up buried treasure without you going through finding a shovel for him to use. He's got one BUILT INTO HIS PANTS!

    :cool:
  • edited September 2009
    I think we're seeing a side of Guybrush which was really visible in MI2 - the side that was perfectly willing to exploit other people for his own ends (monocle stealing, wanted poster forging, peg-leg-chopping guy that he is)
  • edited September 2009
    I think we're seeing a side of Guybrush which was really visible in MI2 - the side that was perfectly willing to exploit other people for his own ends (monocle stealing, wanted poster forging, peg-leg-chopping guy that he is)

    don't forget he dug up a corpse and trapped stan inside a coffin.
  • edited September 2009
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    don't forget he dug up a corpse and trapped stan inside a coffin.

    And got a chef fired from his job.
  • edited September 2009
    Jazzy wrote: »
    And got a chef fired from his job.

    and managed to escape from the Monkey Island Cannibals and gave them as an offering one of their own idols.
  • edited September 2009
    All this reminiscing of dark piratey deeds is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.
  • edited September 2009
    Melancton wrote: »
    All this reminiscing of dark piratey deeds is making me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

    are you sure this is not just caused by the acid in your grog?
  • edited September 2009
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    are you sure this is not just caused by the acid in your grog?

    Which kind of Acid? Sulfuric or Battery?
  • edited September 2009
    I go for both because they are the same.
  • edited September 2009
    Jazzy wrote: »
    And got a chef fired from his job.
    And he poisoned the governors dogs som1.
  • edited September 2009
    And he poisoned the governors dogs som1.

    But that was okay, as they were only sleeping.

    Honest...
  • edited September 2009
    Jazzy wrote: »
    But that was okay, as they were only sleeping.

    Honest...

    Ha! thats what they say.;)
  • edited September 2009
    Guybrush is a tough to define character, especially if you throw CMI into the mix. I've always seen him almost like a kid. He has a sort of youthful exuberance and ambition. He's a good guy overall, but he can be greedy and deceptive just like anybody. How CAPABLE he is...is somewhat hard to say. He blunders a lot, into and out of trouble, but he can also be a capable pirate. At the start of Monkey Island 2, he has tons of treasure and a cool pirate coat from pirate-y adventuring, but also can't convince a bunch of guys that he killed LeChuck and gets his treasures taken pretty easily by Largo. Who's to say what of that was due to sheer incompetence or capability?

    His character is for the player's benefit. He reflects our own insecurities, dreams, capability and a quality of sheer chance. Because he's all of these things, it's really hard to place what HE actually is, because he's more a reflection of aspects of every person, with just enough character to be an individual. He's the vehicle for our puzzle-solving, and how much of our efforts are shared with him? We move Guybrush around, so I'd like to think our efforts are not on the part of Chance, but of Guybrush's own wit.

    ...Then again, Guybrush sometimes doesn't seem to know WHY he does something, it just seems like a "Good Idea", as though our meddling is like some sort of ambient suggestive vibe he gets to do the things he does. I think this is mostly played off for humor, though, and shouldn't really be regarded.

    Honestly? Guybrush feels like Guybrush to me in Tales. I can't really place WHY, but he feels "right" in a way that he simply doesn't for me in the majority of Curse and Escape. And it's not just the awesome coat or the cool beard. Everything about the dialogue and his interactions with the world just kind of feels "right", with a nice balance of adeptness and blundering.
  • edited September 2009
    I think the progression is somewhat right. Guybrush is ambitious, and more capable than he seems in SOMI. Both Elaine and Guybrush don't quite trust each other. (both worked on independent plans) So their relationship falls apart in the second MI game. They do get back together, but a mistake is made. After the curse problem Guybrush is unsure of himself, and thus lets his wife do the piloting.

    In the untold fifth game, they finally sort out their problems together.
    In Tales Guybrush suddenly manages to find he has actually impressed people. It's a heady mix, and he is amazed. But his exaggerations come back to haunt him with Morgan who thinks he's Pirate Type A: Vicious and Merciless. when in fact he's Pirate Type B: Cunning and Underhanded.

    He's no more nor less competent. It's just he had people who believed he was around him, and were willing to admit it. (Other than his wife, Elaine)
  • edited September 2009
    Yeah, I never saw Guybrush as an incompetent kind of guy. He's the kind of pirate that doesn't really follow the set pirate stereotype - he does things differently. After all, how can you be anything BUT competent if you manage to steal the trousers off an undead zombie pirate while he's wearing them!?
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited September 2009
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    I go for both because they are the same.

    I knew if I read enough posts here I would eventually learn something useful.
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