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"Unholy THIS!" - How will Guybrush bounce back from this?

Dan2593Dan2593
edited November 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
Here we discuss our theories of how things will play out in Chapter 5. And to discuss the ending in general.

I saw it coming the moment he put the Voodoo Lady in jail. But I already have theories on how it will turn out.

- Think back. What happens when Le-Chuck makes a kill? Undead-crew? Yes. My prediction is Guybrush and Morgan are forced by voodoo to work for Lechuck as he sets sail for Monkey Island. Skeleton Guybrush? Yes please. And hey. We have to go back to Monkey Island for some reason.

- The monkeys. Why did he go though all that work to put the monkeys back? Or did he? Has he placed them strategically around the ocean to perform some crazy voodoo spell?

- Telltale taking our ideas? :D. A thread about the Voodoo lady being evil and BAM, Telltale decide to entertain this idea. People want more darkness.. Bam. Stan.. BAM. Murray... BAM. Elaine VS Morgan.. BAM. The character that resembles Kates personality is a play on how we all want Kate. And we wanted Stan to look like his original appearance and we got it. This is what we call excellent use of feedback.
Now lets take a look at what else we requested and find out what to expect. But wouldn't it be great to have Insult Sword Fighting? Hint Hint.

Oh and the "UNHOLY THIS". I love a running gag :) The dialogue in that finale worked beautifully. I liked the ending.

Comments

  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited October 2009
    What makes me wonder are those Morgan's lines said by Voodoo Lady in E1 while she was in trance. Coud those be words spoken during the unseen confrontation with her killer?
  • TheHuttTheHutt
    edited October 2009
    I for my part wonder about:
    1) what did Morgan whisper to Guybrush before dying,
    and
    2) what Guybrush whispered to Elaine before asking her to kick LeChuck's butt. Could it be the same crucial hint as with Morgan's?
  • ByakkoByakko
    edited October 2009
    Dan2593 wrote: »
    - Telltale taking our ideas? :D. A thread about the Voodoo lady being evil and BAM, Telltale decide to entertain this idea. People want more darkness.. Bam. Stan.. BAM. Murray... BAM. Elaine VS Morgan.. BAM. The character that resembles Kates personality is a play on how we all want Kate. And we wanted Stan to look like his original appearance and we got it. This is what we call excellent use of feedback.
    Now lets take a look at what else we requested and find out what to expect. But wouldn't it be great to have Insult Sword Fighting? Hint Hint.

    Games take at least a year in pre-production, usually regarding PC/console full release games (not counting casual games). Certain handheld games also require this much time in pre-production. The games main plotline and character design would have been vetted and decided long before the first chapter and the creation of this forum. Telltale is unlikely to have taken anything from players' feedback cept for very cosmetic elements, such as maybe putting in extra work to get the texture work on Stan's jacket.

    Anyway the nature of TOMI had been, there was really few deviations it could've gone while using completely the old characters a little more. Voodoo lady especially. So far the only new character of great enough importance to rank with the main cast is Morgan, leaving not much room to make out who is the big bad. In this case, it's LeChuck. Again. And yeah, hint hint for Voodoo lady but it's going to tie up with us liking her again, trust me.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited October 2009
    Well judging from the Voodoo ladies what is she hiding button I would say they planned on going down that road well before that thread.
  • pluizigpluizig
    edited October 2009
    I predict chapter 5 wil take place (or at least start off) in some sort of pirate underworld and Guybrush will have to find a way to get back to the land of the living.

    This underworld would be full of recently dead NPCs: Morgan, De Singe, Noogie, McGillicutty, the Pyrite Parrot -imagine Guybrush' reaction when that thing shows up AGIAN!
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited October 2009
    Dan2593 wrote: »
    The monkeys. Why did he go though all that work to put the monkeys back? Or did he? Has he placed them strategically around the ocean to perform some crazy voodoo spell?
    I think it's just that he wanted to spend time with Elaine and he had to bide his time while Guybrush prepared la Esponje Grande for him.
    - Telltale taking our ideas? :D. A thread about the Voodoo lady being evil and BAM, Telltale decide to entertain this idea. People want more darkness.. Bam. Stan.. BAM. Murray... BAM. Elaine VS Morgan.. BAM. The character that resembles Kates personality is a play on how we all want Kate. And we wanted Stan to look like his original appearance and we got it.
    I agree, good use of feedback. But I would have thought TTG would have put Stan/Murray/Elaine vs. Morgan anyway (esp. the latter). It's nice to see how closely TT are working with the community though considering how faceless many companies can get.
    But wouldn't it be great to have Insult Sword Fighting? Hint Hint.
    I don't quite see the Masters' point of view on this. I understand that they are worried about ISF becoming a stale running-gag, but I think new insults with a couple of competition-winners wold go down really well. But then TT are the guys getting payed to do MI for a reason :)

    I think Guybrush will bounce back from this by developing super-bouncing-ball properties in a lab-accident in which a mutated bouncing-ball-come-spider bites him. He'll use his super-powers to fight LeChuck but it'll cause problems with Elaine since whenever she elbows him to stop his snoring, she ends up with her arm in a plaster-cast.
    pluizig wrote: »
    I predict chapter 5 wil take place (or at least start off) in some sort of pirate underworld and Guybrush will have to find a way to get back to the land of the living.

    This underworld would be full of recently dead NPCs: Morgan, De Singe, Noogie, McGillicutty, the Pyrite Parrot -imagine Guybrush' reaction when that thing shows up AGIAN!

    But this would be a great story. Especially for the look on Guybrush's face with the Pyrite Parrot.
  • KenifKenif
    edited October 2009
    His hand/ the sponge will heal his wound.
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited November 2009
    Kenif wrote: »
    His hand/ the sponge will heal his wound.

    Repeating myself - La Esponja Grande sucked up all the Pox. The powers of Guybrush's hand lie in the Pox. No Pox, no healing power. Another severed-off limb.

    If they're gonna play it anyway, they'd better have a REALLY good explanation why Esponja didn't suck the hand dry.

    Oh, and once LeChuck sucked up all that voodoo into himself, la Esponja is nothing more but a super-absorbent sponge. Without any immortalising mojo.
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited November 2009
    Nintendo Power says
    we'll see the land of the dead
    . So that mystery is more or less tossed out the window.
    feverfew wrote: »
    Oh, and once LeChuck sucked up all that voodoo into himself, la Esponja is nothing more but a super-absorbent sponge. Without any immortalising mojo.
    It's only super-absorbant for Voodoo. =p
  • doggansdoggans
    edited November 2009
    Dan2593 wrote: »
    My prediction is Guybrush and Morgan are forced by voodoo to work for Lechuck as he sets sail for Monkey Island. Skeleton Guybrush? Yes please. And hey. We have to go back to Monkey Island for some reason.

    We know from the Nintendo interview that part of the final chapter will take place in
    the Land of the Undead
    , so it's probable that we will control
    Ghost Guybrush trying to make his way back to the Caribbean
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    Oh No!!!... Controlling
    Ghost Pirates
    Bill Tiller is going to cry!!
    http://www.ghostpiratesofvoojuisland.com/
  • darknessofheartdarknessofheart
    edited November 2009
    Hmm, in the voodoo lady's trance, she says, "You", before screaming. That sort of indicates that she knew the person who killed her. I honestly think it's LeChuck since they make it clear that De Singe didn't do it and then LeChuck shows up and stabs Guybrush the same way Morgan was stabbed. I think that's an indirect answer there, pretty damn low even for LeChuck. I'm sure he's killed women before, indirectly led to Minnie's Goodsoup's death and tried to kill Elaine multiple times, but it's Morgan. She's such a likable character even when she cuts your hand off, knocks you unconscious, ties you up, and hands you over to a crazy non-french doctor who's looking to use you to infect all the pirates in the world with the pox to create enough elixir to obtain never ending immortality.
  • BlankCanvasDJBlankCanvasDJ
    edited November 2009
    Personally, I'm kind of hoping that we'll control Elaine for the very beginning of the game. I think it would be cool to see how her swordfight with LeChuck goes down and how she starts a quest to bring Guybrush back before we even get to Guybrush in the land of the dead.

    ...waaaituhminute...this "land of the dead" isn't going to be run by soda poppers, is it?
  • dahoughtonukdahoughtonuk
    edited November 2009
    We do know that the undead servants of LeChuck can work against him to an extent. Remember the Friendly Skeleton in SoMI? So yes that first theory makes a lot of sense and explains Morgan's disappearance
  • doggansdoggans
    edited November 2009
    I'd actually love it if it was a parody of King's Quest VI's similarly-themed land.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    Awe man I remember thinking that was so wicked back then.
  • Dan2593Dan2593
    edited November 2009
    Byakko wrote: »
    Games take at least a year in pre-production, usually regarding PC/console full release games (not counting casual games). Certain handheld games also require this much time in pre-production. The games main plotline and character design would have been vetted and decided long before the first chapter and the creation of this forum. Telltale is unlikely to have taken anything from players' feedback cept for very cosmetic elements, such as maybe putting in extra work to get the texture work on Stan's jacket.

    Anyway the nature of TOMI had been, there was really few deviations it could've gone while using completely the old characters a little more. Voodoo lady especially. So far the only new character of great enough importance to rank with the main cast is Morgan, leaving not much room to make out who is the big bad. In this case, it's LeChuck. Again. And yeah, hint hint for Voodoo lady but it's going to tie up with us liking her again, trust me.

    Before Tales came out Telltale said Murray would not appear unless they got a lot of requests. The Episode format allows them to design games as the go along. Hence the cheap 3d animation saves money and time meaning the can create one of these games in less than two or three months. That's also why they run competitions for your dialogue to get in the game, because they can put it in.
  • SandeSande
    edited November 2009
    i think Manny will save GT from the land of the dead and get GT back alive
  • dahoughtonukdahoughtonuk
    edited November 2009
    Sande wrote: »
    i think Manny will save GT from the land of the dead and get GT back alive

    I knew he had a name!
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    If Morgan is
    really dead
    I'm guessing we will be seeing her in
    the land of the undead
  • GibbeynatorGibbeynator
    edited November 2009
    Maybe Guybrush will be saved by the time traveling mariachis.
  • bobdevisbobdevis
    edited November 2009
    It just occurred to me that since the sponge absorbs voodoo in general it would mean that the Voodoo Lady (and all her trinkets that may be still on the island) would loose their powers too, right?
    And since LeChuck is powering up on the sponge now it would mean he would inherit all that power.

    Maybe the "Pirate God" refers to LeChuck having the exclusive and combined voodoo power of everything that was in the blast radius.
  • WusodooloWusodoolo
    edited November 2009
    My guess is that he will do exactly what he was told to do. He will learn how to use unholy as a verb and he will unholy the sword.
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited November 2009
    bobdevis wrote: »
    It just occurred to me that since the sponge absorbs voodoo in general it would mean that the Voodoo Lady (and all her trinkets that may be still on the island) would loose their powers too, right?
    And since LeChuck is powering up on the sponge now it would mean he would inherit all that power.

    Maybe the "Pirate God" refers to LeChuck having the exclusive and combined voodoo power of everything that was in the blast radius.

    That might be the case. However, I believe that Sponge mostly absorbs highly volatile, unstable voodoo that's been released in a blast ( or 'the Pox). That's why they visualised it as a sickly green cloud: it's easy to suck it back. And also, it was stressed that it's an airborne disease.
    Voodoo Lady's knick-knacks generally don't OOZE voodoo, so their power might be spared. That would also explain why DeCava and his crew didn't get the Pox. Inside the manatee, the air is Pox free.
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited November 2009
    Irishmile wrote:
    stuff about Bill Tiller

    Anyone who looks at the link below can kinda guess what was in the spoiler-tag! ;)
    If Bob was killed with root-beer, does that mean he wouldn't still be around? Either way, now I think of it, there were two possibilities in SoMI: you either squirt him or (for some reason) don't. So I guess he could be in chapter 5? Don't know what purpose he'd serve though.... Guybrush killed the pirate-leader from Spinner Cay though; that could be interesting :)
  • dahoughtonukdahoughtonuk
    edited November 2009
    Semantic differences are enough with the Pox.

    Morgan was a privateer. Elaine a pirate. Morgan was immune. Elaine was infected.

    DaCava is an explorer and his crew were mutineers but not yet pirates.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    Gryffalio wrote: »
    Anyone who looks at the link below can kinda guess what was in the spoiler-tag! ;)
    If Bob was killed with root-beer, does that mean he wouldn't still be around? Either way, now I think of it, there were two possibilities in SoMI: you either squirt him or (for some reason) don't. So I guess he could be in chapter 5? Don't know what purpose he'd serve though.... Guybrush killed the pirate-leader from Spinner Cay though; that could be interesting :)

    LOL yeah I guess... at least its in a thread that people would pretty much expect spoilers in
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited November 2009
    You're right about the Decava, I missed it :) But I'm not so sure about his crew. Noogie wouldn't hurt a fly, and Moose also might not qualify, but I'd say that Bugeye definitely acts like a real pirate. He might as well be one.

    ANyway, that 'semantic' Pox really cracked me up. It seems as if the Pox was a living, thinking entity, choosing who to infect and when. Perhaps, it really controlled LeChuck in a way and his accusation of VL has something in it...
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