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Elaine's Wedding Ring

chemistx2chemistx2
edited January 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
Take it, she said. Trust me. And yet we've never used it... What role do you think the ring will play in Chapter 5? And did you notice that the disembodied hand still had Guybrush's ring?
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  • Brian, Mighty PirateBrian, Mighty Pirate
    edited November 2009
    mabye elaine will turn into a statue again in episode 5, or mabye it is just a red herring.
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    Brian, Mighty Pirate... what happened to sackbrush in your AV its all smudged?

    also
    maybe he will need it to come back from the dead

    Also can we get an easy to use spoiler tab kind of like the URL and Picture post buttons?
  • MaxilyahMaxilyah
    edited November 2009
    Irishmile wrote: »
    maybe he will need it to come back from the dead

    Yeah, but will he have the same items in his inventory if
    he's dead
    ? That just wouldn't make sense to me, unless
    he's a zombie.
  • PecanBluePecanBlue
    edited November 2009
    Perhaps
    Elaine herself would need to use it, that is, only if the whole speculation of being able to take control of her for a bit in the fifth episode would be true. My friend made a theory that maybe the voodoo lady tries to bring Guybrush back to life but needs certain things to do it (in the spirit of the voodoo quest from MI2) and the wedding ring could be one. An interesting theory at least.

    Otherwise I don't really know what else to predict. I've been wondering about the purpose of the ring ever since the second chapter. There has to be a reason why it would sit there for three episodes without any use, anyway.
  • feverfewfeverfew
    edited November 2009
    Especially since Elaine has been holding us in the dark about trusting her for a loong time... and I do wonder what was she thinking? If the use of the ring isn't logically explained, it'll spoil a lot in Tales for me.
  • TallinTallin
    edited November 2009
    Well,
    Elaine was poxed and unaware of her actions for this entire episode, and wasn't in the last one, but perhaps the ring will eventually be used to defeat LeChuck, or maybe it acts as some sort of ward against his voodoo powers or something. She could have given it to Guybrush to protect him in case she failed in keeping LeChuck from enacting whatever evil plan she suspected he might be preparing.
  • Sir Jonathan VanBradfordSir Jonathan VanBradford
    edited November 2009
    feverfew wrote: »
    Especially since Elaine has been holding us in the dark about trusting her for a loong time... and I do wonder what was she thinking? If the use of the ring isn't logically explained, it'll spoil a lot in Tales for me.

    Why so?

    I would find it amusing that you just had to "look after" the ring without any purpose. And it would be supposed to be funny! What it would actually be!!!

    Just imagine: "Ah, and here's your ring, plunder bunny!" THE END

    PS: If it had a purpose it would be good as well. Just don't understand what would be so downright bad about the ring having no purpose.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited November 2009
    If it had a purpose it would be good as well. Just don't understand what would be so downright bad about the ring having no purpose.

    Nothing as such.
    It's just that the fact that elaine gave it to you was pretty much emphasized, ans felt pretty random, so it's only logical we're expecting a use for it, and a reason for her to give it to you in the first place.
  • Sir Jonathan VanBradfordSir Jonathan VanBradford
    edited November 2009
    Astro Gnocci wrote: »
    Nothing as such.
    It's just that the fact that elaine gave it to you was pretty much emphasized, ans felt pretty random, so it's only logical we're expecting a use for it, and a reason for her to give it to you in the first place.

    A key feature of humour is to baffle the people's expectations.
  • Astro GnocciAstro Gnocci
    edited November 2009
    in humour, and even in storytelling, yes, it is sometimes, but not always. I really don't think they would have gone out of their way and emphasize it so much in chapter two just for a joke that'd come 3 chapters later. Even as a joke it just wouldn't be funny.
    Now the reason she gave you the ring might end up being silly or funny, but it doesn't mean it won't be relevant as well.
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    Brian, Mighty Pirate wrote: »
    mabye elaine will turn into a statue again in episode 5, or mabye it is just a red herring.

    Wow. I can't believe this, but until I read your post, I had totally forgotten that this isn't the first time that this ring has been in our inventory, what with it being the entire focus of the third game and all.
  • BeeKay84BeeKay84
    edited November 2009
    Brian, Mighty Pirate wrote: »
    mabye elaine will turn into a statue again in episode 5
    Um, you don't think Elaine kept the cursed ring all this time, do you?
    Besides, in CMI, the cursed ring exploded. ;)

    Maybe we'll need it in Chapter 5, maybe not. In any case, Guybrush shouldn't lose it...
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited November 2009
    The ring being given to Guybrush could also have been taken in the context that it should make GT feel paranoid. E.G. When Moe tries to muscle in on Homer's patch in the Simpsons when Homer takes out a mortgage to keep Moe's open. He convinces himself in an internal monologue that he's got nothing to worry about. Then Marge asks him to hold her ring because her finger is "itchy" when Moe sits next to them at the Theatre.
  • nitsujsedohrnitsujsedohr
    edited November 2009
    They just used the ring to make us think she wa going to Leave Guybrush.
  • Ash735Ash735
    edited November 2009
    Well, there's been heavy reference to Curse in this game so far, so looking back, this new ring represented a true bond of Love or something like, I'll have to check it out again, but maybe that could mean something in the story?
  • TimTim
    edited November 2009
    Something just struck me, having read about the picky-ness of the pox itself. We have a bunch of people infected and another pile of them, happily hopping around as if they're easter-bunnies. We know why Morgan was not afflicted by it:
    she's a pirate hunter, not a pirate
    . Yet for Guybrush,
    one would say he's definitely a pirate. Well is he? He's more of an anti-pirate, the clumsy-but-always-truthful pirate wannabe. Perhaps the ring has been keeping him from getting the pox, and is the main reason why Elaine got poxed, because she gave it away.
    I'm unsure whether someone has posted this before, if so, consider this void.
  • FronzelFronzel
    edited November 2009
    But Guybrush WAS poxed. He was the FIRST to be poxed. He's only pox-free in chapter 4 because La Esponja cured him in chapter 3.
  • TimTim
    edited November 2009
    Fronzel wrote: »
    But Guybrush WAS poxed. He was the FIRST to be poxed. He's only pox-free in chapter 4 because La Esponja cured him in chapter 3.

    That.. might be the case. I just watched the teaser for Lair of the Leviathan again and there's no sign of Pox, am I missing something? Problem is, I cannot remember anything of GT's appearance from neither Spinner Cay nor Lair of the Leviathan :(
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    Tim wrote: »
    That.. might be the case. I just watched the teaser for Lair of the Leviathan again and there's no sign of Pox, am I missing something? Problem is, I cannot remember anything of GT's appearance from neither Spinner Cay nor Lair of the Leviathan :(

    Do you remember the face Guybrush used to win the face-off? Pox rage. Also, I remember him pox raging at "good" LeChuck in Spinner Cay.
  • TimTim
    edited November 2009
    GuruGuru214 wrote: »
    Do you remember the face Guybrush used to win the face-off? Pox rage. Also, I remember him pox raging at "good" LeChuck in Spinner Cay.

    Ah bingo! I do remember that indeed. Theory down the drain ^.^
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    My personal theory is that unless it's used for a puzzle in chapter 5, the ring is meant to just sit in the inventory and constantly remind us what a perfect couple Guybrush and Elaine are, during those times when Elaine is acting all pox crazy and nasty or when Guybrush and Morgan seem to be getting along so well.
  • Sir Jonathan VanBradfordSir Jonathan VanBradford
    edited November 2009
    Maybe, but that's just an idea, I don't believe this myself,
    Guybrush will just have to propose marriage to Elaine with it again, because, you know... "till death do us part"
  • PlaneforgerPlaneforger
    edited November 2009
    A large diamond ring is also
    an ingredient of the Cursed Cutlass of Kafluu
    so maybe it'll be used for that. I can definitely see us needing that again very soon.

    Alternately, it'll have some sentimental value that might be useful for
    resurrecting Guybrush
    , although I guess he'll have to be the one to do that.
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    Planeforger wrote: »
    A large diamond ring is also
    an ingredient of the Cursed Cutlass of Kafluu
    so maybe it'll be used for that. I can definitely see us needed that again very soon.

    Alternately, it'll have some sentimental value that might be useful for
    resurrecting Guybrush
    , although I guess he'll have to be the one to do that.

    Not necessarily. This is one thing that's been bugging me. We can pretty much assume that
    Guybrush is going to have some sort of physical form in the Land of the Undead. But it's not like his body just teleported down there when he died. So is he going to have to do something to get back into and restore his original body, or is he going to pass through a portal and have both a living body and a corpse? Furthermore, if that's the case, how is his inventory handled? Does he appear in the Land of the Undead with nothing, or when he comes back is there suddenly duplicates of things like Elaine's wedding ring?
    If that is the case, it's just as likely that Elaine could as Guybrush could, and if it's not the case, then Elaine probably has to be the one.
  • Lexi00Lexi00
    edited November 2009
    Sir Jonathan VanBradford wrote: »
    Maybe, but that's just an idea, I don't believe this myself,
    Guybrush will just have to propose marriage to Elaine with it again, because, you know... "till death do us part"

    I like this idea.
  • FuryFury
    edited November 2009
    Man, that will so happen.

    Come on, alternate ending where you can propose to Morgan....
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited November 2009
    Planeforger wrote: »
    A large diamond ring is also
    an ingredient of the Cursed Cutlass of Kafluu
    so maybe it'll be used for that. I can definitely see us needed that again very soon.

    Good shout!
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    My current run of the series has reached Curse, and something else just occurred to me about this ring. Actually, now that I think about it, it's the other ring I'm thinking about. Anyway, Wally reminded me that LeChuck had brought his entire collection of treasure to present to Elaine in an attempt to win her love. Given what the other contents of the hold were ("Marry Me or Die" wreath, chocolates, teddy bear, portrait of LeChuck), LeChuck probably intended to give her the entire contents of the hold, including the engagement ring.

    So would the ring have done something different to Elaine if LeChuck had been the one to put it on her finger? Or maybe did LeChuck intend to turn Elaine into gold so he could bring her to Big Whoop without her escaping as usual? Though if that was his plan, wouldn't that eventually require him to go to Blood Island and get the Goodsoup diamond back from the smugglers he sold it to in the first place, so he could turn her back when he was ready?
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    Im sure the rings power would still be the same... That cursed ring was still treasure... despite not being able to wear it... imagine having something that you could use to curse an enemy with.... "here take this ring" GOLD STATUE..... and even more treasure.
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited November 2009
    Maybe if she's still alive when she's a gold statue she would go through Big Whoop with no chance of escape and become his undead bride whom Guybrush would never marry (necrophilia... eew)
  • flying sheepflying sheep
    edited November 2009
    maybe it is just a minor cliffhanger/funny end and guybrush loses it seconds before reuniting with elaine at the very end of chapter five and they sail arguing into the sunset.
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited November 2009
    Has anyone tried using the ring with Elaine on the witness stand? He tries to tell her that they confiscated it when he was put on trial, which causes her to pox rage at him for allowing someone to take it from him and letting it out of his sight.
  • LoboDemonLoboDemon
    edited November 2009
    Didn't we use the ring already to
    statically charge the carpet for the sponge?
  • Sir Jonathan VanBradfordSir Jonathan VanBradford
    edited November 2009
    LoboDemon wrote: »
    Didn't we use the ring already to
    statically charge the carpet for the sponge?

    ?

    I used Guybrush's feet.
  • Thriftweed Fancy PantsThriftweed Fancy Pants
    edited November 2009
    Negatory. The big charge came from walking repeatedly over the rug.

    Didn't I read somewhere (Nintendo article?) that we're finally going to use all the things that have been sitting in our inventory or that we never got to use? And not just the ring, but also the things that we never used and then disappeared in the next chapter.
  • Terr002Terr002
    edited November 2009
    Thiftweed Fancy Pants wrote: »
    Negatory. The big charge came from walking repeatedly over the rug.

    Didn't I read somewhere (Nintendo article?) that we're finally going to use all the things that have been sitting in our inventory or that we never got to use? And not just the ring, but also the things that we never used and then disappeared in the next chapter.

    Fish eggs?
  • PecanBluePecanBlue
    edited November 2009
    As someone else theorized, the ring might be used to construct another cutlass since a big diamond was one of the ingredients. It actually seems like the most logical prediction so far to me.
  • PariahKingPariahKing
    edited November 2009
    It's a very subtle reference to the skeleton arm.
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited November 2009
    Maybe they were gonna have it in as some plot-point but couldn't be bothered/forgot and are now gonna frantically write something for the next ep to pretend there was a whole massive reason for it?
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited November 2009
    So I wonder will we be some form of "ghost Guybrush" in a paranormal world with "undead" versions of our inventory... Or will we be playing as Guybrush's undead re-animated corpse in the regular world, with our regular inventory?

    Also if Guybrush is a ghost, will his nose be red?
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