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Trial and Execution of Guybrush Threepwood : Best Monkey Island EVER ???

VoodoomasterVoodoomaster
edited November 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
Hi, I was thinking that this TOMI-episode 4, for me is one of the best "Monkey Island" I've ever played. Then, I decided to make myself a sincerity-test, and I admitted that, separating quality from the childhood-playing-memories, maybe this is the BEST Monkey Island Ever, or at least, it's at the level of my favourite, "LeChuck's Revenge".

I repeat it, I'm making a poll only about EPISODE 4... ;)

I know that there is no confrontation about longevity with other games, I'm just talking about quality ;)

What do you think ??

Comments

  • skankityspenceskankityspence
    edited November 2009
    I don't know about "best" because there were too many great moments in earlier Monkey Island's... BUT.

    I do share your enthusiasm. This episode was freaking awesome! I loved everything about it and it's definitely up there with my favorite parts of MI. :)
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited November 2009
    I don't think you can compare, for example, MI2 with just chapter 4 of Tales.

    ToMI as a whole, then yes - IMO its as good as anything before it.
  • Garu81Garu81
    edited November 2009
    I'm loving this ToMI tbh, but imo nothing compares to MI2! My favourite adventure game ever!
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited November 2009
    "I didn't like it at all" is the closest thing to my opinion. Though, mine is more "I think that the fourth episode is easily the weakest of the entire season, but it's still not bad by any means, and it has some of the best individual puzzles in Tales."
  • roger_kroger_k
    edited November 2009
    They're all great. I kind of keep the old and new one in seperate places in my brain. The old ones have the nostalgia thing going on which something new cant match.

    I'd like to see the tales merged into 1 game when they are done. That would awesome.
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited November 2009
    I belive it's not THE best, but with all darkness, climatic scenery and drama it's almost equaly great with my favorite LeChuck's Revange - so it's option 2 for me.
    BTW, are you the Voodoo Master of Voodoo Master's Fangame Island?
  • VoodoomasterVoodoomaster
    edited November 2009
    Yes ! It's me ! :)
  • glenfxglenfx
    edited November 2009
    I would say is a really good episode, 3 and 4 are the best of the season, but episode 4 has something that in my opinion hurt or lost the feel of the game and was the lack of proper illumination. (a game can be dark and gritty yet very well illuminated at the same time, "blue lights illuminate yet they give or maintain the sense of darkness or night")

    Adventure games are supposed to be visually rich environments, after all, you are supposed to look for clues all over the scenes, but having all the game with a 5-10% of illuminated areas does not make it ideal. Even in Doom you had a lantern to aid you walk around.

    As a franchise, i still think MI2 and MI3 are the best, followed very closely by TOMI and MI1, and just deep down at the VERY bottom there is MI4.
  • LowMoralFiberLowMoralFiber
    edited November 2009
    Best EVER is a bit much. It's certainly the most emotionally involving Monkey island game but I don't know if I'd put it as the best out of ALL of them. Tales as a whole, sure, but not this one chapter...
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited November 2009
    Voodoomaster wrote: »
    Yes ! It's me ! :)

    Hey, thanks for all those games I was afraid lost forever (like Legend of LeChuck)! Have them all backuped on my hard drive now : )
    BTW., don't you think Darkness of Monkey Island FAQ needs a little update? : )
  • VoodoomasterVoodoomaster
    edited November 2009
    Thanks ! I love Monkey Island fangaming, and I must do an important site update within one month. Now just I don't have enough time to do it.

    However, it's interesting to see that about 60% of the fan thinks that a little 4-hours episode is one of the best thing with a "Monkey Island" name on it, and the 97% thinks that's at least a good experience.

    If that thing "let's put more darkness in the game, and let's see what happens with the Monkey Island fans" was some sort of bet, the TellTale just won it :)
  • VisstixVisstix
    edited November 2009
    I think Tomi will be one of the best monkey islands. not just episode 4.
    And because I have very good memories of mi2 and 3, tomi will never beat them.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited November 2009
    I think the drama sadness and plot twists made it the best ever
  • Pantagruel's FriendPantagruel's Friend
    edited November 2009
    In a nutshell:
    Puzzle design: in this aspect, it's probably the best Telltale game ever. Not sure if it's better than the earlier Monkey games, though.
    Story / fun: average for Telltale, which means good but not spectacular.

    What bugs me about this game is the ending. It was needlessly melodramatic, and the whole scene was weakly directed. It would have gone much better with some tongue-in-cheek humor, I think - serious drama doesn't seem to be the strength of the writing staff...
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited November 2009
    Friend, our beloved hero is dying. How can you make fun of that? There were enough humour in whole episode and humour during that scene would be out of place...
  • VoodoomasterVoodoomaster
    edited November 2009
    Oh boys, stop searching humour wherever in a Monkey Island, please !!! Monkey Island is something more than an all-comedian-game. It must have humour moments, and epic-drama-fantasy moments that must give emotions, develop the story, and in which humour is'nt necessary. You would have liked a gag when Guybrush dies ? Oh boys, it would have been horrible !! If you want to laugh from the beginning 'till the end, download a sitcom, or whatever ! Monkey is something more than laughing. Is more than laughing for Gilbert and Grossman, and it's so from 1990...
  • Pantagruel's FriendPantagruel's Friend
    edited November 2009
    Novotnus wrote: »
    Friend, our beloved hero is dying. How can you make fun of that? There were enough humour in whole episode and humour during that scene would be out of place...

    If there was any chance
    that Guybrush will really die
    , then you could be right. But how can I be serious about an event that cannot take place?
    Also see this post.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited November 2009
    Pantagruel's Friend wrote: »
    If there was any chance
    that Guybrush will really die
    , then you could be right. But how can I be serious about an event that cannot take place?

    susspension of disbelif?
  • jmmjmm
    edited November 2009
    Pantagruel's Friend wrote:
    But how can I be serious about an event that cannot take place?

    Can you? For all we know Episode 5 could be the last nail in the MI Coffin (HOPEFULLY NOT)
    Maybe getting back from the dead could be a temporal thing, and at the end GT could return to the land of the dead, permanently

    Anyway, even if we are 100% sure that that event has no lasting consequence, I would find a joke completely inappropriate(In the same way I find inappropriate to laugh at someone after an accident unless it involves banana peels or coconuts)

    You see, that last comment was inappropriate. Making a joke after
    someone is killed, specially after being betrayed
    is inappropriate too.
  • GaryCXJkGaryCXJk
    edited November 2009
    The question is not
    whether Guybrush comes back
    , but rather, how and when. Both are important and very possible.
    There is always a big possibility of having a penalty for dieing and coming back. It's nothing new in story-writing, really. Death should never be treated lightly, at least not in a good story, and I'm pretty sure the next episode will at least deal with some conflict.
    Also, we might know
    he gets back
    , but will he get better or worse? And, how much time will pass in world when he gets back?
  • Pantagruel's FriendPantagruel's Friend
    edited November 2009
    Voodoomaster wrote: »
    Oh boys, stop searching humour wherever in a Monkey Island, please !!! (...) You would have liked a gag when Guybrush dies ? Oh boys, it would have been horrible !! If you want to laugh from the beginning 'till the end, download a sitcom, or whatever ! Monkey is something more than laughing. Is more than laughing for Gilbert and Grossman, and it's so from 1990...
    Sailorcuteness wrote: »
    susspension of disbelif?
    jmm wrote: »
    Can you? For all we know Episode 5 could be the last nail in the MI Coffin. (...) Anyway, even if we are 100% sure that that event has no lasting consequence, I would find a joke completely inappropriate

    I think you're reading me wrong. I didn't mean a "joke" or a "gag", I was saying that given the premises, it would have been better to handle the situation with a pinch of humour (no matter how dark), because this turning-so-serious-all-of-a-sudden storytelling just collapsed (suspension of disbelief also needs the right circumstances to work), and left a sour taste in my mouth. I emphasize again, I don't mind the serious turn, I simply don't like the way it was executed.
  • NovotnusNovotnus
    edited November 2009
    Pantagruel's Friend wrote: »
    If there was any chance
    that Guybrush will really die
    , then you could be right. But how can I be serious about an event that cannot take place?
    Also see this post.

    But they belive he's dead. He belives he's dying for good.
  • Pantagruel's FriendPantagruel's Friend
    edited November 2009
    Novotnus wrote: »
    But they belive he's dead. He belives he's dying for good.

    He does what the writer tells him to. I don't, because I wasn't convinced - that's the issue.
  • techie775techie775
    edited November 2009
    Yeah Guybrush "died" in MI3 too and we saw how long that lasted. I'm not saying they can't throw us a curveball and make this a real struggle, but I can't see the Protagonist for 4.8 Monkey Island games being killed off permanently. At least without introducing someone else to take his place.
  • GryffalioGryffalio
    edited November 2009
    techie775 wrote: »
    Yeah Guybrush "died" in MI3 too and we saw how long that lasted. I'm not saying they can't throw us a curveball and make this a real struggle, but I can't see the Protagonist for 4.8 Monkey Island games being killed off permanently. At least without introducing someone else to take his place.

    We've got someone else, she's called Morgan, and she's going to end up with Winslow, battling the evil ghost-pirate Krebbs.
  • thin029thin029
    edited November 2009
    I think episode 3 was the best for Tales of Monkey Island
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