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I absolutely loved Human LeChuck. He was refreshing, he was a change of pace and it was just a great take on the character. As much as I was initially scared of the idea after a weakened LeChuck in EMI, I ended up really enjoying it.

I really felt like LeChuck had suffered as a character in Curse and Escape. He was still very entertaining in both games and better than the somewhat interesting character present in Secret, but LeChuck seriously suffered from badass decay. His frame swelled to that of a ludicrously large size and he became much more of a buffoon. Gone were the days of dropping Guybrush in acid and here was eating slaw and serving as Ozzie's manservant.

In Tales LeChuck is again a totally evil badass. He UTTERLY plays Guybrush and everyone else for a total fool. LeChuck shows that he is definitely in some ways cunning. LeChuck even achieves his ultimate goal in MI2 of killing Threepwood.

What is really shocking though to me was what LeChuck did after killing Guybrush. LeChuck eagerly discards a rare opportunity for humanity and beauty in exchange for a hideous appearance and demonic voodoo powers. He asks Elaine for her hand in marriage but then appears to be totally willing to engage in a fight where she could die, something not seen before with LeChuck.

I really feel like Tales has given credibility to LeChuck again and revitalized my favorite character.

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  • edited November 2009
    Couldnt agree more.

    I think whats been amazingly done by the Telltale team is you felt exactly what Guybrush was feeling. At the start you didn't buy the 'goodie goodie' act and felt convinced at every turn he was going to stab you in the back. When you had to grab the turtle I was 99% sure he was going to push Guybrush of the cliff and so on. Then as he seemed to prove himself and Guybrush started to trust him more that was when the player also started to trust him more and when he came to help Elaine and Guybrush at the end of ch4 you actually felt pleased to see him which made his revalation even more shocking.

    I remember as a child (and even now) playing MI2 being terrified everytime Lechuck appeared in the corridor as Guybrush and feeling the real urgency to get the doll made fast - which is part of what made me fall in love with the game but in EMI LeChuck was just being used as a meek puppet and all that dramatic tense feelings had gone.

    Definatley back to his best.
  • edited November 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    I absolutely loved Human LeChuck. He was refreshing, he was a change of pace and it was just a great take on the character. As much as I was initially scared of the idea after a weakened LeChuck in EMI, I ended up really enjoying it.

    I really felt like LeChuck had suffered as a character in Curse and Escape. He was still very entertaining in both games and better than the somewhat interesting character present in Secret, but LeChuck seriously suffered from badass decay. His frame swelled to that of a ludicrously large size and he became much more of a buffoon. Gone were the days of dropping Guybrush in acid and here was eating slaw and serving as Ozzie's manservant.

    In Tales LeChuck is again a totally evil badass. He UTTERLY plays Guybrush and everyone else for a total fool. LeChuck shows that he is definitely in some ways cunning. LeChuck even achieves his ultimate goal in MI2 of killing Threepwood.

    What is really shocking though to me was what LeChuck did after killing Guybrush. LeChuck eagerly discards a rare opportunity for humanity and beauty in exchange for a hideous appearance and demonic voodoo powers. He asks Elaine for her hand in marriage but then appears to be totally willing to engage in a fight where she could die, something not seen before with LeChuck.

    I really feel like Tales has given credibility to LeChuck again and revitalized my favorite character.


    Seriously, eagerly, totally willing?

    what are you trying to say :eek:
  • edited November 2009
    Irishmile wrote: »
    Seriously, eagerly, totally willing?

    what are you trying to say :eek:
    Bad rushed writing is bad and rushed.
  • edited November 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    Bad rushed writing is bad and rushed.

    And writing.
  • edited November 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    He asks Elaine for her hand in marriage but then appears to be totally willing to engage in a fight where she could die, something not seen before with LeChuck.

    Not true. LeChuck has previously shown willingness to make Elaine his "undead bride." Was he not intending to make her ride the rollercoaster in CMI?
  • edited November 2009
    piratekate wrote: »
    I think whats been amazingly done by the Telltale team is you felt exactly what Guybrush was feeling. At the start you didn't buy the 'goodie goodie' act and felt convinced at every turn he was going to stab you in the back.
    I actually bought it. Guybrush's instant distrust for any expression of humanity or kindness had me think he was being unreasonable enough that LeChuck would prove himself as an ally "but all too late"(turns evil, dies, etc). I have to give Telltale props on one thing: They DID have me fooled from the first moment. But there are some unanswered questions about how human LeChuck acted, and how the Voodoo Lady is really involved. How these questions are answered will really define how good the story of the season is as a whole. :)
  • edited November 2009
    Udvarnoky wrote: »
    Not true. LeChuck has previously shown willingness to make Elaine his "undead bride." Was he not intending to make her ride the rollercoaster in CMI?
    Hmmm...good point. I meant more along the lines of just killing her in a swordfight but, then again, I guess zombie rituals could revive her.
  • edited November 2009
    Agreed. LeChuck is definitely an evil savage cretin. And Earl Boen's back to voice him in his true form! Yeeeeeey!
  • edited November 2009
    Agreed. LeChuck is definitely an evil savage cretin. And Earl Boen's back to voice him in his true form! Yeeeeeey!
    My only real concern is that they actually explain why he did certain things and make it beyond, "I <3 Elaine, durr durr."
  • edited November 2009
    Now the million dollar question:

    Did LeChuck really swim for 3 days all the way to Flotsam Island?
  • edited November 2009
    Now the million dollar question:

    Did LeChuck really swim for 3 days all the way to Flotsam Island?
    Didn't he say he was pushed to shore by friendly sharks or some crazy shit in CMI?
  • edited November 2009
    I like how they played it all out with LeChuck. At first, I thought "something's up" and then I started trusting him, even before Guybrush did. I thought maybe Guybrush was being a little unreasonable and that he was going to do something stupid due to jealousy, which would upset Elaine, but that's not at all how it happened.
    And then he came into the court, which didn't surprise me; I figured he'd have to save Guybrush somehow. But the jungle scene totally took me by surprise.

    I have a question, too. LeChuck seems pretty smart, but not very patient. How did he not get angry all those times when Guybrush was trying to annoy him or make him look bad? It seems like he really thought this one out first, which is either very good character development, or very uncharacteristic.
  • edited November 2009
    The lack of pox probably enabled him somewhat.
  • edited November 2009
    Human LeChuck > Charles L Charles
  • edited November 2009
    Human LeChuck > Charles L Charles

    That pretty much goes without saying. Spiffy the SCUMM Bar dog > Charles L. Charles. I don't know what the character designer who did that one was thinking.
  • edited November 2009
    I like how this most recent incarnation gives you the impression that LeChuck is, having been thwarted by Threepwood on so many occasions, actually trying to learn some of his technique from his foe before backstabbing him in the traditional pirate manner.
    Also, I get the general impression that he'd have wound up trying to make Elaine undead regardless of how that last scene played out.
  • edited November 2009
    piratekate wrote: »
    I think whats been amazingly done by the Telltale team is you felt exactly what Guybrush was feeling. At the start you didn't buy the 'goodie goodie' act and felt convinced at every turn he was going to stab you in the back. When you had to grab the turtle I was 99% sure he was going to push Guybrush of the cliff and so on. Then as he seemed to prove himself and Guybrush started to trust him more that was when the player also started to trust him more and when he came to help Elaine and Guybrush at the end of ch4 you actually felt pleased to see him which made his revalation even more shocking.
    That was exactly how I felt while playing. LeChuck really fooled us all this time, which means he actually learned something from all his mistakes. Maybe he got his brains back when he turned human. ;)

    He was evil all along, but still, there always was something comical about him. Even in SMI already, when he says certain things like "After all these years of planning, almost destroyed by my death" (don't know it word by word right now), or doesn't realise he's going to marry two monkeys in a dress. Which makes me wonder if his death really interferred with his plans, and only now that he became alive/human again, could he follow through with his plans...
  • edited November 2009
    Human LeChuck > Charles L Charles

    Where does Fester Shinetop fit into the inequality?
  • edited November 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    Where does Fester Shinetop fit into the inequality?
    Human LeChuck > Fetser Shinetop > Chuckie(MI 2 kid version) > Charles L Charles
  • edited November 2009
    PariahKing wrote: »
    What is really shocking though to me was what LeChuck did after killing Guybrush. LeChuck eagerly discards a rare opportunity for humanity and beauty in exchange for a hideous appearance and demonic voodoo powers. He asks Elaine for her hand in marriage but then appears to be totally willing to engage in a fight where she could die, something not seen before with LeChuck.

    Not to forget the mental cruelty he practices. Also in said scene. He doesn't wait for Guybrush to die but proposes to Elaine before his very eyes, making sure Guybrush hears about the "stolen glances" they shared while he was away and claiming that Elaine developped feelings for him. Watch Guybrush's face at that moment. He looks more than a little bewildered.
  • edited November 2009
    That pretty much goes without saying. Spiffy the SCUMM Bar dog > Charles L. Charles.

    Spiffy the SCUMM Bar dog > everyone.
  • edited November 2009
    Mermaid wrote: »
    Not to forget the mental cruelty he practices. Also in said scene. He doesn't wait for Guybrush to die but proposes to Elaine before his very eyes, making sure Guybrush hears about the "stolen glances" they shared while he was away and claiming that Elaine developped feelings for him. Watch Guybrush's face at that moment. He looks more than a little bewildered.
    I know! I noticed that every time I watched that scene (yeah, I watched it pretty often already...). Though I'm sure LeChuck's misinterpreting a lot. I mean we only saw two of their moments alone (LeChuck giving Elaine the flower, and the cutscene from Chapter Three), but judging from Elaine's reaction(s), she didn't mean to "come on to him" at all in any way.
  • edited November 2009
    BeeKay84 wrote: »
    I know! I noticed that every time I watched that scene (yeah, I watched it pretty often already...). Though I'm sure LeChuck's misinterpreting a lot. I mean we only saw two of their moments alone (LeChuck giving Elaine the flower, and the cutscene from Chapter Three), but judging from Elaine's reaction(s), she didn't mean to "come on to him" at all in any way.

    Or maybe be she did, but now that it turned out that he just pretended to be the good guy she feels disgusted about the whole thing and wishes she would had never said those kind words to him.

    I'm actually more curious as to how that (sword) fight between LeChuck and Elaine ends and what happens next with the two of them. We know for sure that Guybrush will be in the land of the dead and has to find a way out, but I wonder what happens in the land of the living during that time with mainly LeChuck, Elaine and the Voodoo Lady being left.
    I could imagine the Voodo Lady getting in contact with Elaine - or vice versa - in order to give advise on how she should act next...
  • edited November 2009
    Earl Boen being back = priceless. When you think about it, I'm sure they could have just stuck with the gent who was doing LeChuck's human voice - he probably would have done a great job.
    The fact that Telltale still got Earl Boen for this last scene (and probably/hopefully the last episode) shows just how much they care about their fans. They knew that there would be a few thousand, "Holy shit!"s as soon as we heard Boen. I think they did it just for that reason: to make us happy.
    Telltale is so damn cool
  • edited November 2009
    Armand1880 wrote: »
    When you think about it, I'm sure they could have just stuck with the gent who was doing LeChuck's human voice - he probably would have done a great job.

    I'm not so sure about that. Even his Narwhal zombie voice and his human voice are different. Adam Harrington stood in for Earl Boen and Kevin Blackton voiced him as a human, up until he absorbed the pox and Earl Boen came back. I'm guessing they had a reason for that.
  • edited November 2009
    Is it bad that it didn't realize it was Earl Boen until I saw his name in the credits?

    I had a similar problem in Sam and Max. I thought they just went back and re-recorded the "not'chos" line, instead of them having replaced Max's voice actor with another person.
  • edited November 2009
    I'm not so sure about that. Even his Narwhal zombie voice and his human voice are different. Adam Harrington stood in for Earl Boen and Kevin Blackton voiced him as a human, up until he absorbed the pox and Earl Boen came back. I'm guessing they had a reason for that.

    Wasn't it Earl Boen's voice since the "Unholy THIS!" line?
  • edited November 2009
    Newblade wrote: »
    Wasn't it Earl Boen's voice since the "Unholy THIS!" line?

    I haven't quite worked my way back to chapter 4 (I'm re-running the whole series, and I'm in the middle of Escape right now), so I've only seen the scene twice, so by the time I realized Earl Boen was back, it was too late for me to really notice where they switched over. But we're just splitting hairs here, what I meant was that Kevin Blackton voiced him as a human through the majority of Tales, up until he revealed himself as evil again.
  • edited November 2009
    Yeah, I was impressed that I couldn't really tell quite where they made the voice transition of the voices.

    I would have liked to hear how Blackton would have voiced an evil LeChuck, but it's only curiosity.
  • edited November 2009
    I guess keeping Fester Shinetop and Charles L Charles in mind, LeChuck is really mean badass when it comes to disguising himself and playing other people.

    Also I approve very much of this topic. LeChuck is totally badass again.
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