Okay, these ghost rules suck. Spoilers, I guess.

Rules of being a ghost, apparently.

You can't touch anything. Unless it's the floor. Oh, or a raft apparently. Because not only can you stand on a raft, but you can also grab onto it for leverage. And hey, did you know ghosts can swim? Yep, they apparently have substance when it comes to propelling themselves through water.

Ghosts can't go through doors, apparently. What? He can't turn the knob...SO?! He's a GHOST. The door shouldn't block his way! How the hell was LeChuck such a formidable enemy if all you had to do to keep him out was apparently stay in a room with a closed door? He can go through swinging fists, a column in Club 41, and a treasure chest, but Pirate God forbid he slip through a DOOR.

You'd think being a Ghost Pirate would be cool, but LeChuck apparently makes it look far simpler than it actually is.

EDIT: Apparently this conversation pops up in another thread as I'm posting this, which seems like an incredible coincidence and like I'm ripping somebody off, but I totally didn't.

Comments

  • edited December 2009
    Ghosts can't go through doors, apparently. What? He can't turn the knob...SO?! He's a GHOST. The door shouldn't block his way! How the hell was LeChuck such a formidable enemy if all you had to do to keep him out was apparently stay in a room with a closed door? He can go through swinging fists, a column in Club 41, and a treasure chest, but Pirate God forbid he slip through a DOOR.

    That really bugged me. If they were so intent on keeping us in the club, they could have just had the door blocked by the portal.

    I guess then we'd be asking how they got to the jail, but that would be a less annoying question.
  • edited December 2009
    I ain't afraid of no ghost physics.
  • edited December 2009
    Rules of being a ghost, apparently.

    You can't touch anything. Unless it's the floor. Oh, or a raft apparently. Because not only can you stand on a raft, but you can also grab onto it for leverage. And hey, did you know ghosts can swim? Yep, they apparently have substance when it comes to propelling themselves through water.

    Ghosts can't go through doors, apparently. What? He can't turn the knob...SO?! He's a GHOST. The door shouldn't block his way!

    Both those things really irritated me. Especially the doorknob to the club actually. I may have shouted at the game... When it came to being able to swim upwards, I was merely rolling my eyes.
  • edited December 2009
    It's not that he can't go through the door, it's that he's too stupid to realise he can, as from what he says the reason he can't go through is because he 'can't touch the doorknob', which he wouldn't need to do if he was just walking through the door...

    I think most of the things we see him being unable to do despite being a ghost is because he just doesn't have the ghostly 'experience', he's new at it and LeChuck probably had a similar experience at first too. Given time and he would have been flying through the air and punching people through the sky too.
  • edited December 2009
    Jazzy wrote: »
    It's not that he can't go through the door, it's that he's too stupid to realise he can, as from what he says the reason he can't go through is because he 'can't touch the doorknob', which he wouldn't need to do if he was just walking through the door...

    I think most of the things we see him being unable to do despite being a ghost is because he just doesn't have the ghostly 'experience', he's new at it and LeChuck probably had a similar experience at first too. Given time and he would have been flying through the air and punching people through the sky too.
    Still doesn't explain why he's able to swim by flying upward, and why he's able to grasp onto a raft and lift himself onto the thing.
  • edited December 2009
    Still doesn't explain why he's able to swim by flying upward, and why he's able to grasp onto a raft and lift himself onto the thing.

    Maybe he's doing it without thinking? Or maybe he has to be really angry with things in order to be able to touch them, and he has serious issues with Winslow's raft (they have a history or somesuch)...:D
  • edited December 2009
    guys...
    ssshhh...
    mkay...
    its a game...
    play by the rules...

    (but okay, they bugged me at the end of the day too, but not enough to make me wanna rant)
  • puzzleboxpuzzlebox Telltale Alumni
    edited December 2009
    Still doesn't explain why he's able to swim by flying upward, and why he's able to grasp onto a raft and lift himself onto the thing.

    Guybrush isn't accustomed to "ghost physics", and he's still behaving according to the limitations of a solid corporeal form. He used to move through water by swimming, so that's what he does as a ghost. He doesn't actually grasp the raft, but he thinks he needs to, so that's the motion he performs.

    Maybe he can fly around and make himself solid or insubstantial at will (was this in a movie? Ghost, perhaps?), but he hasn't figured it out yet.


    Well, that's my stab at fabricating an explanation. :p
  • edited December 2009
    punkmario wrote: »
    guys...
    ssshhh...
    mkay...
    its a game...
    play by the rules...
    My...My God. He's right. It's...just a game.

    Shut down the forums! Now! The prophet punkmario has made the realization that renders this place moot and worthless! Tear it down, tear it down now! Put that cookie down!
    (but okay, they bugged me at the end of the day too, but not enough to make me wanna rant)
    It may have bothered you just as much as it bothered me. It takes a good deal less to get me to rant than most people, I enjoy a good rant.
    puzzlebox wrote: »
    Well, that's my stab at fabricating an explanation. :p
    And it's not a particularly bad one, though I think the easier and more accurate assumption is that Telltale was really lazy about their animations, explanations of ghost physics, and explanations of why you can't go see the rest of Flotsam(It's not safe out there! LeChuck could get you!", followed in less than a minute by LeChuck dropping in to say hello).
  • edited December 2009
    My...My God. He's right. It's...just a game.

    Shut down the forums! Now! The prophet punkmario has made the realization that renders this place moot and worthless! Tear it down, tear it down now! Put that cookie down!

    *Tears his hair out, rips his clothes and sobs in the street*

    My god, it's just a game? Why didn't anyone tell me!!! ;)
  • edited December 2009
    Rules of being a ghost, apparently.

    You can't touch anything. Unless it's the floor. Oh, or a raft apparently. Because not only can you stand on a raft, but you can also grab onto it for leverage. And hey, did you know ghosts can swim? Yep, they apparently have substance when it comes to propelling themselves through water.

    Ghosts can't go through doors, apparently. What? He can't turn the knob...SO?! He's a GHOST. The door shouldn't block his way! How the hell was LeChuck such a formidable enemy if all you had to do to keep him out was apparently stay in a room with a closed door? He can go through swinging fists, a column in Club 41, and a treasure chest, but Pirate God forbid he slip through a DOOR.

    You'd think being a Ghost Pirate would be cool, but LeChuck apparently makes it look far simpler than it actually is.

    EDIT: Apparently this conversation pops up in another thread as I'm posting this, which seems like an incredible coincidence and like I'm ripping somebody off, but I totally didn't.

    and furthermore HAN SOLO FIRED FIRST!
  • edited December 2009
    I thought the doorknob thing was part of a cop-out joke for not wanting you to go to a bigger area and thus Guybrush is all "whoops I'm too stupid to realize I can go through things" so really it just made my friend and I laugh more than anything.
  • edited December 2009
    I was disappointed by this too, they already had the music (since it plays when you're in Jail) but I suppose it would of been the modeling, it was already announced that LeChuck had been destroying places (including Telltale fan service, people didn't think Spinner Cay fit in, so LeChuck outright destroys it! :D) this would mean that they'd have to at least rough up a few buildings, say smash up Stans place, etc, but even if they did do that, one path was blocked to the jungle, if they came back, the second path would obviously be blocked too, so really, we'd have a deserted Flotsam town with nothing going on!
  • edited December 2009
    Guybrush should of been alowed to at least go through the door but its actually a rip in the door itself that takes him to that good old favourite alley way on melee island. That always works :P
  • edited December 2009
    Gryffalio wrote: »
    and furthermore HAN SOLO FIRED FIRST!

    Damn right he did and it totally fit his character.
  • edited December 2009
    I'm going with the Guybrush is an idiot hypothesis. Because A) it's funny and B) he really is a lazy cuss who only uses his brain when he feels like it.
  • edited December 2009
    Guybrush should of been alowed to at least go through the door but its actually a rip in the door itself that takes him to that good old favourite alley way on melee island. That always works :P

    I REALLY love this idea! Haha!
  • edited December 2009
    I also am going for the Guybrush didn't think it through properly/thoroughly as well as the idea that he simply hadn't learned to control his new form just yet. Several movies (Ghost was mentioned, and Casper: A Spirited Beginning came to mind, Beetlejuice, etc.) have touched on/played with the idea that ghosts are capable of manipulating the physical realm around them, but it takes time, practice, and learning how to control it.

    As for the door Guybrush easily could have walked right through. That falls straight to Guybrush having a "brain fart" and not going, "DUH! I'm a ghost now!"

    However I think for example the raft and such were examples where although it wasn't strictly necessary, Guybrush performed the motion because he expected to have to. I believe that this may have been an example of a time where he (at least partially) was capable of manipulating the physical, but more because he wasn't strictly trying to than anything. Turning the doorknob is a direct attempt at manipulation; pulling himself up was much more indirect IMO.

    Maybe I'm just being too lenient or forgiving, but I think it's not completely implausible. :)
  • edited December 2009
    My theory as to why LeChuck (or his crew) has more abilities in his ghostly form is that he probably found a way to make his spirit more tangible via voodoo.

    Something like
    the spirit gum guybrush uses to become a more permanant resident of his corpse
    but for ghosts
  • edited December 2009
    maybe only big clunky things influence newbie-ghosts (like a big board of wood, the ocean or the soil)
Sign in to comment in this discussion.