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Things that are in the MI games which are also in the Pirates of the Caribbean series

meretchenmeretchen
edited June 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
This has probably been discussed before in this forum?
But I have recently watched the "Pirates of the Caribbean" films, which I found amusing and very reminiscent of Monkey Island. (I know that it was inspired by a Disneyland ride - the same ride, I believe, that played a part in MI2).

These are some of the things I noticed - I am certain there must be more. I suspect, also, that some of these are meant as a "tip of the hat" or homage to the Monkey Island Series:

Captain Sparrow sailing in a coffin
The mysterious voodoo lady
The undead skeleton pirates
Insult Sword Fighting
Among the recurring characters is a (cursed) monkey

What be your verdict? (arrrrh!) :)
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  • BrainiacBrainiac
    edited January 2010
    You forgot the prison key dog, aka "Walt."
  • onlyamonkeyonlyamonkey
    edited January 2010
    pirates, ocean, ships
  • Juicius MaximusJuicius Maximus
    edited January 2010
    "The Caribbean"
  • doggansdoggans
    edited January 2010
    Brainiac wrote: »
    You forgot the prison key dog, aka "Walt."

    Doesn't really fit, as it seems the OP was listing things the movie may have borrowed from the games, not that both borrowed from the ride.
  • EduardoEduardo
    edited January 2010
    The Sun.
  • meretchenmeretchen
    edited January 2010
    I know that some of the similarities (or most) are coincidental, as both are based on classical pirate "mythology". But I really do think that at least the jamaican voodoo lady and the sailing in the coffin must be lifted from the MI games. And possibly the cursed, undead pirate captain. (And his monkey.)

    Then again: it might all be coincidental and simply due to the fact that the games and the films were both inspired by the same Disneyland ride - but in any case, the similarities are there, and it is the Monkey Islandish stuff that makes the Pirates of the Caribbean-films interesting, I think. Which is all I really wanted to say. :)
  • AshtonAshton
    edited January 2010
    I agree it's very amusing, but I also think it's coincidence. (cant really say much as I've never seen either PotC movies)
  • FriarFriar
    edited January 2010
    [QUOTE=meretchen;250348]I know that some of the similarities (or most) are coincidental, as both are based on classical pirate "mythology". But I really do think that at least the jamaican voodoo lady and the sailing in the coffin must be lifted from the MI games. And possibly the cursed, undead pirate captain. (And his monkey.)

    Then again: it might all be coincidental and simply due to the fact that the games and the films were both inspired by the same Disneyland ride - but in any case, the similarities are there, and it is the Monkey Islandish stuff that makes the Pirates of the Caribbean-films interesting, I think. Which is all I really wanted to say. :)[/QUOTE]

    There were plans to create a monkey island movie (around the time of escape i think, but don't hold me on that), ho
    wever, it got canned after a script was writtien. The writer of said script went on to write Pirates of the carribbean. He has said before that PotC 1/2 are essentially the monkey island movie.

    Demon ship with skeletal crew? Check. Fiesty Damsel? Check. Voodoo lady? Check. Cursed jewelerry? Check.

    click here
  • PecanBluePecanBlue
    edited January 2010
    ^
    Oh what could have been.

    Since I watched Pirates of the Caribbean before ever playing any of the Monkey Island games, I didn't notice any similarities. My friends actually brought up the similarities sometimes when we were on the subject of PotC, since they played the games and I didn't. Now that I actually played the games, I see exactly what they mean. :|

    I also felt that Will Turner and Jack Sparrow were like split personalities of Guybrush or something.

    And, I don't remember there being a monkey, voodoo lady or hordes of skeletal pirates on Disney's ride. I think there was only one skeletal pirate in the whole thing, right at the beginning, that didn't have to do much with anything. So I think references to those things might have been more inspired by Monkey Island rather than the ride. Someone feel free to correct me though, as I haven't ridden that ride for a while.
  • FriarFriar
    edited January 2010
    PecanBlue wrote: »
    ^
    Oh what could have been.

    Since I watched Pirates of the Caribbean before ever playing any of the Monkey Island games, I didn't notice any similarities. My friends actually brought up the similarities sometimes when we were on the subject of PotC, since they played the games and I didn't. Now that I actually played the games, I see exactly what they mean. :|

    I also felt that Will Turner and Jack Sparrow were like split personalities of Guybrush or something.

    And, I don't remember there being a monkey, voodoo lady or hordes of skeletal pirates on Disney's ride. I think there was only one skeletal pirate in the whole thing, right at the beginning, that didn't have to do much with anything. So I think references to those things might have been more inspired by Monkey Island rather than the ride. Someone feel free to correct me though, as I haven't ridden that ride for a while.

    I believe they redid the ride in paris to be more like the film, although i can't be sure of that. I wasn't paying much attention at the time, as i had been queing for 2 hours for it, and was bored solid.
  • FealiksFealiks
    edited January 2010
    I'm so happy with Pirates of the Caribbean. The script is basically an altered version of a MI movie script, which means it's pretty much an MI movie, but it isn't labelled as one which means the franchise isn't ruined (imagine a Monkey Island spinoff XBox 360 action game).

    Also, has anyone else heard about the next Pirates of the Caribbean movie? It's gonna be called "On Stranger Tides". Gonna be interesting.
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    Pirates of the Carribean (the movie) is based on the ride and "On Stranger Tides." Same with Monkey Island.

    They redid the ride in Florida... I liked it better the way it was!
  • Captain MickeyCaptain Mickey
    edited January 2010
    Rode the remake! I love both the movies and MI, but my inner MI fandom decided to break loose when I started to hectically look for Guybrush and Murray.

    ...I may or may not have ticked off a few parents when I started to sing "Monkey in my Pocket".
  • FealiksFealiks
    edited January 2010
    Captain Mickey wrote: »
    ...I may or may not have ticked off a few parents when I started to sing "Monkey in my Pocket".

    hehe
  • zammapzammap
    edited January 2010
    Pirate stereotypes aside

    it's about a governor('s daughter) who gets kidnapped by an undead evil pirate who takes her to a mysterious island that cannot be found except for those who know where it is (or have the aid of voodoo), helped by a mysterious female voodoo lady in a swamp.


    Ted, you sly dog

    Although MI is more closer to Stranger Tides them PotC
  • meretchenmeretchen
    edited January 2010
    Fealiks wrote: »
    (imagine a Monkey Island spinoff XBox 360 action game).

    *shudder*
    In the words of mighty pirate Guybrush Threepwood (TM): Yipes!
  • Epic KiwiEpic Kiwi
    edited January 2010
    I liked that part in ToMI Chapter 5 with
    the Voodoo Lady speaking to Guybrush through a bunch of little crabs
    , it was a cool little reference to PotC 3 where it turned out that
    those little rock crabs were the Voodoo Lady/Calypso all along
    .
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    No, there were more than a couple of pirate skeletons in the ride, but whether they were still "alive" was never really specified, although it was kind of implied. Sadly the ride has changed a lot from when it was first opened (and from when I used to ride it as a kid, even) so the rides as they are today are very different from how they were in their pre-MI days.

    Also, Marc and Alice Davis are awesome. Not really Monkey Island related, but I felt like saying it anyway.
  • Juicius MaximusJuicius Maximus
    edited January 2010
    I'm sorry to hear that. I haven't been on the ride in quite some time. Isn't changing it to reflect the movies sort of like that movie 9? A remake of a Broadway musical that was itself a remake of a Fellini film...about filmmaking.

    And speaking of unsung Disney heroes, a friend recently turned me on to Mary Blair, who is also awesome.
    mary-blair-new.jpgMaryBlair_parrots.jpg
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    Oh Mary Blair! They got rid of her murals in Tomorrowland, and replaced them with meaningless pap! *sigh* It seems like every year Disneyland gets less and less interesting, like changing the California Dreams movie to make it less harsh and than just getting rid of it altogether.
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    Disney World gets more disappointing as time goes on. Leave it alone people!
  • PecanBluePecanBlue
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, the pirates ride used to be so empty, it would be the one place where I can relax from the long lines everywhere else, since the ride was nice and long without any really long lines.

    Now it's just full of people everywhere, though.
  • Juicius MaximusJuicius Maximus
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, and nobody ever dies there anymore, either. Booooring!
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    I liked it better when people died!
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    Um ... if that page you linked to is accurate, they apparently die more often now. I kinda question the veracity though, since they don't seem to distinguish between the parks and the monorail death seems really unlikely right off the bat ...
  • Juicius MaximusJuicius Maximus
    edited January 2010
    Tpravetz wrote: »
    I liked it better when people died!

    Orale, Holmes. We all did.
    Lena_P wrote: »
    Um ... if that page you linked to is accurate, they apparently die more often now. I kinda question the veracity though, since they don't seem to distinguish between the parks and the monorail death seems really unlikely right off the bat ...

    How dare you doubt the legitimacy of a page I just googled and hastily linked?!
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    Also, in the Wizard of Oz? Just a peacock's shadow, not a hanged little person.
  • FriarFriar
    edited January 2010
    Jucius Maximus wrote: »
    Yeah, and nobody ever dies there anymore, either. Booooring!
    Ah, Disney deaths. A few i remember were pluto being run over in a parade, and an old granny being killed on it's a small world. Those safeties are there for a reason!
  • Juicius MaximusJuicius Maximus
    edited January 2010
    Lena_P wrote: »
    Also, in the Wizard of Oz? Just a peacock's shadow, not a hanged little person.

    I swear, confusing those two things in life has gotten me into more trouble...than confusing a sword with a scabbard ;)
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    Jucius Maximus wrote: »
    Orale, Holmes. We all did.

    Does this make me Holmes? Anyhow. Disney deaths... Good times. Remember when the monorails crashed at WDW? Teehee.
  • PecanBluePecanBlue
    edited January 2010
    Lena_P wrote: »
    Um ... if that page you linked to is accurate, they apparently die more often now. I kinda question the veracity though, since they don't seem to distinguish between the parks and the monorail death seems really unlikely right off the bat ...

    If you don't trust that page you can always trust Snopes!

    http://www.snopes.com/disney/parks/deaths.asp

    Seems like it was legit.

    EDIT: Though yes, they do fail to mention some of the more modern ones, like the poor cast member that was crushed by a float before starting the parade.
  • Captain MickeyCaptain Mickey
    edited January 2010
    There's nothing better then to read the lovely deaths at Disney on a cold night.
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    Captain Mickey wrote: »
    There's nothing better then to read the lovely deaths at Disney on a cold night.

    'Sept the hot winds of Hell blowing on your face.
  • Captain MickeyCaptain Mickey
    edited January 2010
    It's days like that that makes you glad to be dead.

    (What am I saying?!)
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    You are glad to be dead, right?
  • Captain MickeyCaptain Mickey
    edited January 2010
    Oh yes sir...glad to be dead.
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    Ah, the snopes article makes much more sense. I love snopes ...

    Wait, you guys are dead? And they have internet connections in Hell?
  • Captain MickeyCaptain Mickey
    edited January 2010
    It's dial up unfortunately...
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited January 2010
    And probably a 28.8K modem at that ...
  • TomPravetzTomPravetz
    edited January 2010
    Damn hellish computers suck. Fortunately I have the powers of Hell to help my in my war... Hooray! TTG still works here... Anyone want to come hang out... All you need is a giant q-tip, a monkey, and a navigators head. My boat is the cool eerie one.
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