Did anyone else notice...

edited January 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
Did anyone else notice that a lot of the voodoo (well the serious parts) was REAL VooDoo?? I was a little suprised and a little concerned when I saw that TTG (and presumable LA - not played those games but I asume they're the same) were both invoking real VooDoo...

Did anyone else notice this? Or am I the only one that researches odd and irrelevant forms of magic?
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  • edited January 2010
    at first i was like 'huh'?

    and then i stayed like that.

    =|
  • edited January 2010
    Ashton wrote: »
    Or am I the only one that researches odd and irrelevant forms of magic?

    Yup.

    It'd be nice if you could use some examples so I know what you're referring to. The only one I could catch is the possessing of bodies by spirits, but I don't think that as an uncommon thing to be shown in fiction, even if it's real practices of voodoo.
  • edited January 2010
    PecanBlue wrote: »
    Yup.

    It'd be nice if you could use some examples so I know what you're referring to. The only one I could catch is the possessing of bodies by spirits, but I don't think that as an uncommon thing to be shown in fiction, even if it's real practices of voodoo.

    Biggest and most obvious is the Crossroads; where the material and spiritual planes intersect.

    I'll dig up some more later, I'm in a hurry right now.
  • edited January 2010
    Voodoo has always featured in the series. Voodoo dolls featured prominently in MI2, and a little bit in MI3.
  • edited January 2010
    Another one was that fate is almost completely unchageable - that it's predetermined by the spirits.

    (which makes me wonder if the VooDoo Lady was _really_ manipulating guybrush, lechuck, etc or if she simple managed a spell to peek at the proverbial script of destany and just coppied it down...)
  • edited January 2010
    Ashton wrote: »
    (which makes me wonder if the VooDoo Lady was _really_ manipulating guybrush, lechuck, etc or if she simple managed a spell to peek at the proverbial script of destany and just coppied it down...)

    Yeah, this is what she implied. She mentioned something about that in passing while defending herself (although she seemed quite apathetic about doing so, probably because she knew it was futile, further cementing the idea that she knows the future or has a rough idea of it).

    Also, I don't really find it surprising that Voodoo was in the game... it has been in all of them. It's pretty common to see Voodoo in pop-culture, and since Voodoo is a legitimate religion, I can't see why they'd be weary of putting it in the game. It would be hypocritical (and slightly disrespectful) to readily feature several aspects of western life but be nervous about including aspects of Voodoo. having said that, nothing too Voodooish was featured in the game, just generic things that can be applied to a number of religions/belief systems.
  • edited January 2010
    What should the Voodo Lady have used instead? Alchemy?
  • edited January 2010
    ...ok then... *shrug* I've always had the feeling that in pop culture VooDoo was either "evil" or Taboo (depending on the place it was mentioned) mainly because of the bad rap it's gotten as a means of creating Zombies and harming people via VooDoo Dolls (though ironically traditionally the dolls are used to HEAL people or even in some fantasy isntances as a means of transportation)

    Maybe it's just the area I've been brought up it, apparently I'm the only one who was suprised/concerned *shrug*
  • edited January 2010
    Nosehair wrote: »
    What should the Voodo Lady have used instead? Alchemy?

    that would awesome, actually :p
    but then her name would be just weird.
  • edited January 2010
    I guess I do not understand why it made you concerned...
  • edited January 2010
    Because he/she was raised to believe it's evil.
  • edited January 2010
    Because he/she was raised to believe it's evil.

    Not so much raised, but that's how it's been portrayed in pop culture, as either evil or taboo. (again this might just be that I've been looking in all the wrong places)
  • edited January 2010
    I do not believe in Voodoo magic so I guess to be concerned that its in movies/games makes no sense to me.... Its like being concerned that they talk about Greek, or Norse Gods...
  • edited January 2010
    Irishmile wrote: »
    I do not believe in Voodoo magic so I guess to be concerned that its in movies/games makes no sense to me.... Its like being concerned that they talk about Greek, or Norse Gods...

    Zeus would kick your ass if he saw that
  • edited January 2010
    I'm pretty sure voodoo is positive, only most people think of it as negative because they don't know much about it.
  • edited January 2010
    Zeus would kick your ass if he saw that

    I will be more cautious when walking to my car :p
  • edited January 2010
    I'm pretty sure voodoo is positive, only most people think of it as negative because they don't know much about it.

    Oh, it's a very "good" religion (though it has it's dark sides just like all religions) media just likes to focus on the minor negative possibilities it creates. In retrospect, I'm glad TTG used voodoo and showed some 'good voodoo' instead of using it as a plot-device soely for a villian!
  • edited January 2010
    How often is Voodoo portrayed nowadays, period? I mean, if you think about it, the Voodoo concept that has been the most acclimated to mainstream entertainment is the zombie, and even then the modern "Hollywood" zombie's connection to Voodoo is tenuous at best, if mentioned at all. Heck, modern zombies barely act like traditional zombies; they're more like pre-Bram Stoker vampires on steroids (or pre-Carmilla vampires or whoever is supposed to have invented the modern Vampire genre).
  • edited January 2010
    Lena_P wrote: »
    and even then the modern "Hollywood" zombie's connection to Voodoo is tenuous at best, if mentioned at all

    Acctually I've noticed that most hollywood Zombies nowadays are the product of a Virus of some sort, rather than a voodoo ritual... (RE, anyone?)

    I used to see a lot more of the "voodoo witchdoctor" being a villian (or atleast an obstacle for the hero, a hireling of the villian, or atleast doing work for hte villian such as making potions, hexes, or voodoo dolls) and of course it used to be very popular if lighter series for voodoo dolls to be used to harass/hurt/control people (usually making them punch themselves, walk somewhere, or stick pins in their... er... behind) When I take the time to think about it, voodoo seems to have lost it's media glamor... It's great to see a hero using voodoo for a change (here in ToMI) and I'd love to see it more often in other games/movies/books/tv/etc
  • edited January 2010
    Ashton wrote: »
    REAL VooDoo??

    I laughed so hard at that
    I'm still laughing
  • edited January 2010
    There was a pretty dang good voodoo priest as a villain in the Princess and the Frog, and he turned people into frogs and summoned shadow demons to do his bidding. So there is still the rare voodoo priest character in fiction.
  • edited January 2010
    I think most MI fans know this but you need to read On Stranger Tides by Tim Powers, it has humor, pirates, and plenty of voodoo.

    onstrangertidesoriginal.jpg
  • edited January 2010
    Personally I'd prefer to see a little more voodoo in today's pop culture and a little less "Omg! I sparkle! I'm such a pretty little monster!"

    XD Sorry to the Twihards out there.
  • edited January 2010
    Shainagirl wrote: »
    XD Sorry to the Twihards out there.

    I certainly hope we don't have any of those around here!
  • edited January 2010
    Hahaha! Yeah I thought that too after posting. I used to read the books but then Stewart butchered Bella for me... To each their own though.
  • edited January 2010
    MrsBBC wrote: »
    I laughed so hard at that
    I'm still laughing

    VooDoo is a real religion, it's not something that was made up for conveniance of a story:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Haitian_Vodou
  • edited January 2010
    Yeah yeah, I know
    But you're talking to an atheist about something ridiculous
    x
  • edited January 2010
    no more ridiculous then any other riligion
  • edited January 2010
    that's right, a good atheist doesn't discriminate
  • edited January 2010
    Irishmile wrote: »
    I think most MI fans know this but you need to read On Stranger Tides by Tim Powers, it has humor, pirates, and plenty of voodoo.

    People keep mentioning that this is the book/series that inspired MI. I've not had a lot of luck locating it locally, I'll have to hit the internets - I'd love to read it.
  • edited January 2010
    There is a fair share of Voodoo in the forgettable Kate Hudson horror The Skeleton Key (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0397101/). Not sure how accurate, though.
  • edited January 2010
    Irishmile wrote: »
    I think most MI fans know this but you need to read On Stranger Tides by Tim Powers, it has humor, pirates, and plenty of voodoo.

    onstrangertidesoriginal.jpg

    Awesome book, highly recommend reading it to anyone with the slightest interest in pirates and/or voodoo stories.
  • edited January 2010
    MrsBBC wrote: »
    I laughed so hard at that
    I'm still laughing

    Well, we're not saying voodoo magic is real. Only that they used real beliefs.
    Kinda like saying "real Christianity". Someone mentioning Adam and Eve rather than making up something is using real Christian stuff, in that it really is in the Bible, whether it actually happened or not (which is another debate).

    I guess Ashton was surprised that what was used wasn't random magical stuff labeled as "voodoo", but that there was actual research done about the religious beliefs.

    Saying a religion is real doesn't mean whatever it believes to be true is the actual truth.
  • edited January 2010
    Avistew: That was articulate ... It generally covered what I couldn't be bothered to type, so thanks.

    Juicius: I love the notion that I could be a discriminatory Atheist... or that it would be a bad thing.
    I can assure you that I find all world religions ridiculous. Although admittedly, some are more ridiculous than others...

    Surely I can be discriminatory.... i.e. I can perceive or recognise differences between world religions and as such, perceive some to be more absurd and unlikely than others.

    I find broccoli more tasty than sprouts, but I don't discriminate against sprouts based on prejudice, its about personal interpretation of taste and therefore a matter preference.

    Meh. Why did I bother to post this?
    x
  • nikasaurnikasaur Telltale Alumni
    edited January 2010
    Ashton wrote: »
    People keep mentioning that this is the book/series that inspired MI. I've not had a lot of luck locating it locally, I'll have to hit the internets - I'd love to read it.

    I am an advocate of buying used books on Amazon.
  • edited January 2010
    Two thumbs up to MrsBBC. Although I'm sure even you have to admit the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of all things.

    Ramen to you all.
  • edited January 2010
    nikasaur wrote: »
    I am an advocate of buying used books on Amazon.

    Me too... I have done it plenty of times... you can really get great deals that way.
  • edited January 2010
    Two thumbs up to MrsBBC. Although I'm sure even you have to admit the Flying Spaghetti Monster is the creator of all things.

    Ramen to you all.

    Blessed be His noodly appendages!
  • edited January 2010
    @ Nikki/Irishsmile:
    I dont know how long it's been since I bought a dead-tree book... Most of my library is on my PPC in digital format (lot easier to carry around :p lol)
  • edited January 2010
    Iryon wrote: »
    Blessed be His noodly appendages!
    You beat me to it
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