A new main character?

I was thinking, just like Fallout 2 where you play another character from Fallout 1: what about some new Monkey Island stories with another hero?

For example: the stories of Threepwood and his Wife are happened, and they are fearsome might pirates, the new main character is a new guy that tries to follow his footsteps.
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  • edited January 2010
    Do not want!

    edit:aww it just doesnt have the same efect with out caps
  • edited January 2010
    Thanks for the elaborate explanation of your thoughts.
  • edited January 2010
    Do not want!

    edit:aww it just doesnt have the same efect with out caps

    The sad thing is, since you have lower-case letters in your edit, you could make the original post in all caps, but then the edit would make no sense.
  • edited January 2010
    No. Guycrush Fleepgood FTW!
  • edited January 2010
    Erm...I don't think it'd be a good idea to follow in Guybrush's footsteps, look what happened to Morgan (granted the career choice was different).

    ....We could totally do a MGS4 style of it with Guybrush being old (and yes, I'm totally aware of the fanart that is lurking about on the forums with MGS4 Guybrush)
  • edited January 2010
    Erm...I don't think it'd be a good idea to follow in Guybrush's footsteps, look what happened to Morgan (granted the career choice was different).

    ....We could totally do a MGS4 style of it with Guybrush being old (and yes, I'm totally aware of the fanart that is lurking about on the forums with MGS4 Guybrush)

    Use...denture cream...with...dentures...

    Use...dentures...with...mouth...

    Use...corn on the cob... "I can't use that!"
  • edited January 2010
    Best game of the year!
  • edited January 2010
    It just wouldn't be the same not being in control of our bumbling hero.

    Long live Guybrush!
  • edited January 2010
    Monkey Island=Guybrush Threepwood
  • edited January 2010
    Guybrush Threepwood=Monkey Island
  • jmmjmm
    edited January 2010
    Adding more interesting characters to the cast: yes.
    Relegating Guybrush to a background character: not now, not ever, never!
    Promoting (temporarily) a character as the main character or as the user ego: depends on why and who is promoted to the role.
  • edited January 2010
    Max should be playable I think we should be able to play Morgan, just for the sake of irony.
  • edited January 2010
    Before chapter 4 came out, I actually wondered if we would play chapter 5 as LeChuck, fighting demon Guybrush.
  • edited January 2010
    I think that if there is a new main character it will end the series. It will really screw up the game.
  • edited January 2010
    I'd like a spin-off title where you controlled a wannabe pirate maybe 100 years later (so the setting can't change that much), having heard of the legendary Guybrush Threepwood and his encounters with the dreadful never-dying pirate LeChuck. He's heard of the three trials, which they gave up on around 50 years ago, but decides to do them anyway just as a symbolic act ("to honer the legendary Guybrush Threepwood, I will conquer these trials!"). Unfortunately, the information he got on the three trials is provided to him by some dark mysterious figure (this could be either an old Largo Lagrande, which have managed to stay alive due to some mysterious happenings during LeChucks Revenge), or the voodoo lady (who happens to be immortal and evil). And the information is wrong, instead of three items collected in the actual trials, they're three magic items that the Voodoo Lady can use to resurrect LeChuck once again. But why? Well, because she's found another victim for her great puppetshow. And that victim is you. Coincidence? Not a chance.
  • edited January 2010
    I totally agree with you prizna!!
  • edited January 2010
    StarEye wrote: »
    I'd like a spin-off title where you controlled a wannabe pirate maybe 100 years later (so the setting can't change that much), having heard of the legendary Guybrush Threepwood and his encounters with the dreadful never-dying pirate LeChuck. He's heard of the three trials, which they gave up on around 50 years ago, but decides to do them anyway just as a symbolic act ("to honer the legendary Guybrush Threepwood, I will conquer these trials!"). Unfortunately, the information he got on the three trials is provided to him by some dark mysterious figure (this could be either an old Largo Lagrande, which have managed to stay alive due to some mysterious happenings during LeChucks Revenge), or the voodoo lady (who happens to be immortal and evil). And the information is wrong, instead of three items collected in the actual trials, they're three magic items that the Voodoo Lady can use to resurrect LeChuck once again. But why? Well, because she's found another victim for her great puppetshow. And that victim is you. Coincidence? Not a chance.

    That sounds like a bad idea for a Monkey Island game, but a good idea for a fanfiction. You should try writing one.
  • edited January 2010
    apenpaap wrote: »
    That sounds like a bad idea for a Monkey Island game

    That's why I called it a spin-off! :)
  • edited January 2010
    No way in hell!! Okay, maybe as a small side story where you got to play as another character would be cool and all, but the entire game based on this would ruin the whole Monkey Island Mojo! What is Monkey Island without Guybrush Threepwood?

    A pirate-themed game loosely resembling the Sims - except that now it sucks...
  • edited January 2010
    Short answer: No.

    Long answer: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

    I'm sorry, but people love Guybrush far too much to want to play as anyone else. Multiple protagonists worked for King's Quest, but like people said earlier, Monkey Island= Guybrush Threepwood, Guybrush Threepwood= Monkey Island.
  • edited January 2010
    Come on no new main characters, I know this isnt a TV series but it will work the same way.
    There are a lot of tv series that ended by replacing the main character. It just doesnt work. If they had a new main character it wouldnt be the same game anymore.
    The only reason they have a new main character on TV series is because the actor/actress doesnt want to do it anymore but the creator of the show wants to keep the series running, In a game the character cant "leave", the worst is that Dominic Armato may not want to do the voice again but I dought that will happen and even if it did happen they would just get a new voice artist to play as Guybrush.
  • edited January 2010
    hmmm... i guess i would like zombie threepwood

    mummy threepwood

    skeleton threepwood

    ghost threepwood

    baby threepwood

    grandpa threepwood - with walking stick for advanced puzzle solving :p

    imagine that, a different threepwood to solve different puzzles!
  • edited January 2010
    While I'm certainly not keen on the idea of a Monkey Island game where Guybrush isn't the main character, (as previously mentioned, Guybrush = Monkey Island) I wouldn't be averse to a MI game where you can switch between characters Day of the Tentacle style. Like, say, Guybrush, Winslow and Morgan. Or maybe Guybrush, Elaine and Morgan so that I can coninually have Morgan and Elaine interact while giggling maliciously to myself.
  • edited January 2010
    I just like the idea of a Morgan spin-off game. Action/Adventure. They don't even have to make it an official MI game, it could be called "Morgan LeFlay: Ghost Pirate Hunter" (the line spoken by Morgan in the scene after the credits). Either way, a Morgan spin-off game would in no way hinder or endanger the series. It could either be a prequel showing all of LeFlay's pirate-hunting adventures before Tales, or maybe it could be a game showing the events in Morgan's life after Tales - possibly undertaking a mission for the Voodoo Lady, maybe just a journey of Morgan finding a way to get her old body back, or maybe just more pirate-hunting. Hell, I wish I could design this game!
  • edited January 2010
    Remember what happened in MGS2 with Raiden..
  • edited January 2010
    I'd be fine with a monkey island "spinoff" thingie where the main character isn't Guybrush. As long as it's not Guybrush's son/daughter, please -_-'.
    Otherwise, new character or different main character would be fine by me. It would just need a subtitle, and to be a spinoff rather than the same series. I think that would work better that way.
  • edited January 2010
    Icedhope wrote: »
    Remember what happened in MGS2 with Raiden..

    Yeah, a large bunch of really narrowminded whiners completely overreacting like there was no tomorrow - all because of a new character being the lead in a fantastic game. Seriously, that's just stupid. MGS2 was great, Raiden was great, and the initial disappointments wears off, once you get to see Snake from a new side. I suspect something like that could happen to Monkey Island too, and people will judge the game solely on the new character instead of the actual quality of it. This is why developers are afraid of taking chances.
  • edited January 2010
    Siege of Spinner Cay. When...
    Guybrush gives text commands to LeChuck. That was an awesome way of executing this. It's only for a short time, Guybrush is still really who's being controlled, and it's funny.

    I also wouldn't mind a rare occurrence of another character who's close to Guybrush saying "Hmm, I'm not sure what to do here... What would Guybrush do?", giving you temporary control over them for a single goal. Perhaps using the old "It looks like we'll have to split up and each open the chests at the same time" sort of thing, or Guybrush is knocked out and the goal is to wake him up, or something like that. But Guybrush still needs to be the main protagonist of the story.
  • edited January 2010
    No,atleast to a completly new character as protagonist.But Morgan and Elaine in a Final Fantasy 11/2 like spin off would be cool.
  • edited January 2010
    I thought there were rumors originally that you'd get to play as Elaine in MI4. Would have been interesting to see how they'd do it.
  • edited January 2010
    No! I do not want to play a Monkey Island game without controlling the character of Guybrush Threepwood at all times. (Well technically you get to control the Voodoo Lady for a while in ToMI. I didnt mind that, but anything more than that is too much.) Guybrush it is and will be. End of discussion.
  • edited January 2010
    Andorxor wrote: »
    But Morgan and Elaine in a Final Fantasy 11/2 like spin off would be cool.

    Now I have this mental image of an FFX-2 style game where for no reason whatsoever Elaine, Morgan (who is inexplicably alive again) and Carla form a pop group. You know, to fight evil with their music or whatever the hell reason they gave for it in FFX-2. Elaine would be Yuna, Morgan would be Rikku and Carla would be Paine, and it would be absolutely cracktacular and probably terrible.

    ...but I would SO play that.
  • edited January 2010
    I dunno... I don't really think it'd work. I think Guybrush is too iconic of the series. It's his series, really... could we replace the playable character? It would depend on the way it's implemented. Would it be just a temporary change of character, like if two people split up to solve different puzzles (and as noted before, that sort of already happened, with the Voodoo Lady)? Or would it be an entire game based in the Monkey Island universe, just with a different character?

    I play the Phoenix Wright games, and after the third game they switched the player character entirely. I haven't played 'em yet, but it sounds like the fans are pretty divided on whether or not they're good. A lot of the controversy is just based on the fact that you no longer play as Phoenix...

    Guybrush is such a central character, it seems like it would be hard to create a game with "Monkey Island" in the title where you didn't play as him. Perhaps giving a different title, separating the new player character from the "main" MI series, would be the way to go if something like that was ever created.
  • edited January 2010
    It doesn't happen to often that they switch who is the main characters in Adventure Games. I thought a bunch of people were angry and confused in King's Quest III before they beat it that you weren't playing as King Graham. In Leisure Suit Larry 3 and 5 you spend part of the game as Passionate Patti. Even in Fate of Atlantis you have the option of solving half the puzzles as Sophia instead of Indy. Maniac Mansion, Zak McKracken and Last Crusade did it too. So this nothing new. Although I can't imagine playing a whole Monkey Island game as some one else, it'd be interesting to control someone else to help Guybrush out with a couple of puzzles(not like he did the voodo lady in ch4).
  • edited January 2010
    Reaper Lyn wrote: »
    I play the Phoenix Wright games, and after the third game they switched the player character entirely. I haven't played 'em yet, but it sounds like the fans are pretty divided on whether or not they're good. A lot of the controversy is just based on the fact that you no longer play as Phoenix...

    The Ace Attorney games are a good example. Because they did two things.

    A) Apollo Justice, that is like Phoenix Wright with a different main character. Even if you put aside the fact that the writers went apeshit on this one (the basis of every crime is that not only the murderer, but all people involved are stupid, crazy or both), it's really not that... different. They didn't give Apollo enough of an edge or anything for it to justify switching the main character and having a huge time gap.
    They were trying to reset the series and although the game was enjoyable, in my opinion they mostly failed.

    B) Miles Edgeworth. Here, you play as another character from the original series. The main opposition of Phoenix Wright. But although it's the same universe, same characters, same timeline (takes place right after the first game, well, the first case does, then it goes back in time), it's completely different.
    It's not about trials, it's about investigating. And while you did plenty of that in the original Ace Attorney game, it's different enough that it's new. What's more, the character is known and already had a huge fanbase, which justifies a game with him as the main character easily.
    It's fresh, it's new, it's different. It's still Ace Attorney without being Phoenix Wright. it works.

    The first example is what, in my opinion, didn't work well. They tried to "reset" but at the same time didn't: Phoenix is there in the game, you even play as him for part of the game. However, all the lovable characters from the earlier series are gone. They brought back a character they had introduced in the extra case the added for the DS port of the first game, but she had changed a lot and was mostly unhelpful... It was trying to be half-assed, I would say. And although a lot of things were good, a lot were bad, too.

    So there is definitely a good and a bad way to do it, in my opinion.

    EDIT:
    There is a third thing they did, I can't believe I almost forgot.
    In the third game, where Phoenix is still the main character, well, you play part of the game as Edgeworth and part of the game as Mia. So they were already switching things around a bit, and it worked.
    (I disliked the third game for other reasons, but the character switches were definitely something I liked a lot.)
  • edited January 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    The Ace Attorney games are a good example. Because they did two things.

    A) Apollo Justice, that is like Phoenix Wright with a different main character. Even if you put aside the fact that the writers went apeshit on this one (the basis of every crime is that not only the murderer, but all people involved are stupid, crazy or both), it's really not that... different. They didn't give Apollo enough of an edge or anything for it to justify switching the main character and having a huge time gap.
    They were trying to reset the series and although the game was enjoyable, in my opinion they mostly failed.

    B) Miles Edgeworth. Here, you play as another character from the original series. The main opposition of Phoenix Wright. But although it's the same universe, same characters, same timeline (takes place right after the first game, well, the first case does, then it goes back in time), it's completely different.
    It's not about trials, it's about investigating. And while you did plenty of that in the original Ace Attorney game, it's different enough that it's new. What's more, the character is known and already had a huge fanbase, which justifies a game with him as the main character easily.
    It's fresh, it's new, it's different. It's still Ace Attorney without being Phoenix Wright. it works.

    The first example is what, in my opinion, didn't work well. They tried to "reset" but at the same time didn't: Phoenix is there in the game, you even play as him for part of the game. However, all the lovable characters from the earlier series are gone. They brought back a character they had introduced in the extra case the added for the DS port of the first game, but she had changed a lot and was mostly unhelpful... It was trying to be half-assed, I would say. And although a lot of things were good, a lot were bad, too.

    So there is definitely a good and a bad way to do it, in my opinion.

    EDIT:
    There is a third thing they did, I can't believe I almost forgot.
    In the third game, where Phoenix is still the main character, well, you play part of the game as Edgeworth and part of the game as Mia. So they were already switching things around a bit, and it worked.
    (I disliked the third game for other reasons, but the character switches were definitely something I liked a lot.)

    Okay, so the first and third cases have been applied to Monkey Island, and it seems the general consensus is that the first would be awful and the third might be interesting (though I admit, I've paid little attention to this thread, so that could be selective reading by me). But what about the second case? How might that be applied to Monkey Island?

    If we stick with the "play as the established opposition with a large fan base" think, we get a few options. Play as LeChuck, play as Largo, or maybe (big maybe) play as Dinghy Dog or DeSinge. I'd say maybe Ozzie Mandrill or Pegnose Pete, but I think those two would cause riots. But while taking another look at a series from the point of view of the villain is always interesting, I don't think it would really work here. Besides, LeChuck himself admits to not being very good at adventure game type tasks.

    So now we expand from Guybrush's rivals to the rest of the series. And that pretty much leaves us with the options of playing as Elaine or Morgan. Again, this one's been discussed to death, and I personally don't see a game starring either of them living up to the standards of the Monkey Island series. We'd have another Escape on our hands.
    Secret, LeChuck's Revenge, Curse, and Tales are all phenomenal games. They've earned a place in history as some of the best adventure games ever. When you compare Escape to them, it becomes the Louis Stevens of the series, if you will; the (formerly) youngest child who isn't as smart or athletic as its siblings and doesn't have any particularly exemplary qualities of its own. It's not a bad game, it's just part of a series where the expectations are higher. And for that, it gets picked apart to no end.
  • edited January 2010
    Wasn't the reason of not playing Phoenix, because he got suspended for tempering with evidence to win his case?

    On-topic: No, no new main and no spin-off
  • edited January 2010
    In-game, yes, but that explanation was just a plot point invented to explain why you're playing as someone else. In reality, there's nothing that forced the developer's hand to make someone else the main character, they just wanted to and wrote the story around it.

    At least, that's how I understand it. I just started playing the first game after my friend let me borrow it on Saturday. I'm finished with the first four cases, so I only have one left.
  • edited January 2010
    Wasn't the reason of not playing Phoenix, because he got suspended for tempering with evidence to win his case?

    That's how it was justified in the game, yes. But when you have played all the games, you know it's nothing compared to what he's done before, which makes the idea completely ridiculous.
    And the fact that they make the story start later, with Phoenix having a girl, etc, basically means he's still the star of the game (everybody's going to want to know who's the mother, why he was suspended, etc) but you're not playing him.
    The main character as a result is just completely overshadowed by Phoenix, which seems silly since the point was apparently to make a new series with a new main character.
    I'm not sure if they're planning more games with Apollo but if so, I'm hoping they're going to be about him and not Phoenix. They game him a complicated enough backstory that they have plenty to work with.
  • edited January 2010
    Other characters in the Monkey Island games have mentioned that Guybrush is the puzzle solver. So it should stay that way.
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