you guys know Voodoo Lady Tarrot cards wouldn't work, right?

edited February 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
The voodoo ladys tarrot cards include no real cards.

There is no Curse or Journey card.
the closest thing to Journey is The Fool.

and if it were all real cards it wouldn't work because Everyone would have the same deck of tarrot cards. Yorur deck is supposed to be unique. reflect you. Like my deck of actual tarrot cards is full of cats, I am a cat person

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  • edited February 2010
    That depends what you use it for. In French tarot (for playing, not divination) the cards are just numbered 1 to 21, with various illustrations that are completely different from one game to the next (and you have the excuse which is usually a guy playing lute but could be something else I guess).

    So if you have 22 actual illustrations, just put numbers on them, add the regular harts, spades and so on (including cavalier) and you can have a perfectly playable deck for French Tarot.

    For divination, maybe not, but I'm not sure how many people would use it for divination. I think the two major uses would be playing and just collecting.

    Here is a link to one deck so you see what I mean

    The only thing I can actually see not working is how some of the cards were meant to have half of another card on top of them.
  • edited February 2010
    Besides, it depends more on the actual emotional investment that you yourself place upon the cards.
    My cards have silver wolves :)
  • edited February 2010
    They said the same thing about the rubber chicken with a pulley in the middle, and that didn't stop me for using one...
  • edited February 2010
    I just wana look at them ^^ even if they where real ones I wouldnt try looking in the future with them
  • edited February 2010
    I have to ask the people who mentioned decks needing to be unique: does that mean you have to make them yourself? Or commission them specifically?

    And I'm guessing you mean for divining cards, right? That you need a particular attachment to them and can't do it with just any card that was printed commercially?

    I think the idea is neat, even though I'm not at all into any divining thing.

    Does that also mean you can have only one deck, or can you have several of them?

    Often when I like a series or something, I think of making a tarot deck with the characters. Sometimes even creating suites specifically. It's always a playing deck though, not the divining deck that has only 13 cards or something. (Tarot de Marseille). And I just don't know anything about any other kind than these two (French Tarot, for the purpose of playing only, and Tarot de Marseille, for reading cards). Although I know lots of other types exist.
  • edited February 2010
    not quite what I meant by unique. you do have to have some sort of attachement to them, but you don't have to make them your self or have them commisioned, just a deck that kinda calls out to you. Everytime I go somewhere that happens to have tarot decks I notice the Tarot of the Cat People. you don't have to only have one deck, because cards wear out after a while no matter what they are. my mom has had quite a few of the Toth deck.

    If Telltale/Lucas Arts decided to make them into real tarrot cards, more power to them. and who knows, maybe some people will have the whole connection with Tarrot of the Voodoo Lady. More Power to them too. at this point your best choice is making them yourself. but just a few hints if you do; Guybrush as the fool, LeChuck as the Devil, Gabel/Galeb/Vicky/Nor Treblig as death, and Elaine and Guybrush together as the lovers. really sounds like they would work, eh?
  • edited February 2010
    Thanks :)

    I'm not sure if I'll make one. And if I do, I'll probably start with the 16 "head" ones (Jack, Horseman, Queen and King of each suite) as that would make for a more versatile game (French Tarot decks are really used only for Tarot. But remove the 22 special cards and you just have a regular deck! Well, I guess you also remove the horsemen, but you know what I mean. And with a regular deck you can play much more games).

    As I said I'm not into divination, but I play card games quite a lot, so that would be my focus. I'd just have to decide if I do it in vectors or if I pull out the big guns and actually paint illustrations for all of them (hint: probably the former).
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    The voodoo ladys tarrot cards include no real cards.

    If you know so much about tarot, why do you keep calling them "tarrot" cards

    Sounds like parrot cards.

    parrottarot.png

    Remolay wrote: »
    If Telltale/Lucas Arts decided to make them into real tarrot cards, more power to them.

    Define "real tarot cards." Real in what sense? To what purpose? Wikipedia says there are various kinds of different tarot cards from different cultures. What kind are you talking about?


    To be honest, you sound almost like Ashton when he was trying to say:
    Ashton wrote: »
    I was a little suprised and a little concerned when I saw that TTG (and presumable LA [...]) were both invoking real VooDoo..
    I mean, come on now. It's just a video game. It doesn't have to be real, and TTG and LA only do enough basic background research to make the characters and plot devices sound remotely credible.
  • edited February 2010
    Chyron8472 wrote: »
    If you know so much about tarot, why do you keep calling them "tarrot" cards

    I don't know "so much" about tarot, I just like playing it. And I guess it just feels wrong to write it "tarot", it sounds like that would be pronounced "tay-rot" so I'm doubling the r? I'll try to be careful about that, thanks for pointing it out.
  • edited February 2010
    It was Remolay who typed it weird, and the thing is every time I read "tarrot" it makes me thing of a card deck saying "Brauk! It's me! Guybrush Threepwood! Mighty Pirate."
  • edited February 2010
    How weird, I thought you quoted me for some reason :confused:
    But now when I look, well you quoted Remolay. Oh well.

    Anyways, I do like your parrot tarot picture. Actually thanks for posting that, if I ever make cards I'll remember to include the pyrite parrot.
  • edited February 2010
    you guys know Voodoo Lady Tarrot cards wouldn't work, right?

    Uh, are there any tarot cards that "work"?
  • edited February 2010
    Ripcord wrote: »
    Uh, are there any tarot cards that "work"?

    Definitely. Just requires you to be a certain type of person. If a deck of cards can "call out" to you, then congratulations, you qualify!
  • edited February 2010
    Ripcord wrote: »
    Uh, are there any tarot cards that "work"?

    My Magic 8 Ball says "sources say no." :D
    Although I sense that you were being facetious.
    Definitely. Just requires you to be a certain type of person. If a deck of cards can "call out" to you, then congratulations, you qualify!

    I highly doubt that.

    I would be more willing to believe in self-fulfilling prophecies (that you believe they will come to pass, so you take action, subconsiously or otherwise, to see that they do.) Something akin to Harry Potter and Voldemort's prophecy. Voldemort believes it is true, so then gives it power over his actions.

    I also believe in fortunes that are so vague that they could apply to anyone, ie. forture cookies or horoscopes.
    Said fortunes only aid the gullible.


    If there was any fortune-teller I would believe, it would be the character Firenze from the Harry Potter books, who teaches Harry that "trivial hurts and tiny human accidents are of no more significance than the scurryings of ants to the wide universe, and are unaffected by planetary movements."
  • edited February 2010
    Didn't he also imply that the fact that Mars was in opposition mean that there'd be a war soon? It's been a while since I read the book, and maybe I'm making the war thing up based on Mars' role in mythology, but Mars goes into opposition ever two years. It's hard to attach any special significance to it.
    and if it were all real cards it wouldn't work because Everyone would have the same deck of tarrot cards. Yorur deck is supposed to be unique. reflect you. Like my deck of actual tarrot cards is full of cats, I am a cat person
    If you're using Tarot cards for divination, the only reason to personalise your deck is sentiment. The cards still mean the same thing, unless it's one of those decks that takes out of the minor arcana or something, which I think is kind of stupid. If you're using them to play a game... there's still no pressing reason why every deck should be unique.

    The Voodoo lady's Tarot deck has a bunch of made up cards, but if someone really wanted to use them for divination, there's no reason why they can't assign their own meanings to them, the way the occult Tarot was originally developed. It's not like they're the Wisdom of the Ancients. They're just playing cards with pretty pictures.

    In my experience, even when you discount answers that work because they're vague, Tarot cards seem pretty accurate, though not so much at predicting an uncertain future. But I don't think there's anything special about the cards themselves. It's the meanings that are important.
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    Yorur deck is supposed to be unique. reflect you. Like my deck of actual tarrot cards is full of cats, I am a cat person

    I wonder what kind of person I am, because I have tarot deck with medieval themed erotic drawings, which I bought from Roman toystore (I still keep wondering why they have tarot decks with adult illustrations in a toystore). :D

    But to be honest I also have standard decks with more typical illustration. But these days I usually buy tarot decks with unusual illustrations, because those are sort of collector's items.

    I know how to divinate with the cards, but I don't really believe to the stuff and most of the time I use the tarot cards to play solitaire.
  • edited February 2010
    when I started this with tarrot I was tired and didn't notice my spell checker telling me it was wrong.

    now as for making the real tarot card, I dont like the whole playing cards thing. they were always used for the divination type thing, but they started being used as a game when divination was considered evil.

    I have heard of two types of decks (and several variations of them):Allister Crowley, Toth Tarot, which my mom uses, and Rider Waite tarot, a more popular one which has more variations.
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    they were always used for the divination type thing, but they started being used as a game when divination was considered evil.

    I couldn't care less if the game was invented because divination was considered evil or because someone's puppy just died: it's one of my all-time favourites :D
  • edited February 2010
    Avistew wrote: »
    I couldn't care less if the game was invented because divination was considered evil or because someone's puppy just died: it's one of my all-time favourites :D

    You don't have to worry, while mysticists claim all sorts of things it seems that historical sources indicate that tarot cards were invented for playing games and the divination stuff came a lot later.
  • edited February 2010
    You know tarot cards wouldn't work, right? Divination through a deck of vague cards is kind of ridiculous.

    Also, wait, wasn't there a Curse and a Journey card? I'm pretty sure the Journey card was used to send Guybrush to different bodies, and the Curse card was used for the Pox.
  • edited February 2010
    no I meant there is no curse or journey card in real life. those were made up for the game.
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    no I meant there is no curse or journey card in real life. those were made up for the game.
    Ah, that does make more sense. Not big on tarot, obviously.

    What would be wrong with having a couple erroneous, non-standard cards? Just take them out for divination purposes.
  • edited February 2010
    Ah, that does make more sense. Not big on tarot, obviously.

    What would be wrong with having a couple erroneous, non-standard cards? Just take them out for divination purposes.
    Also, having it not be a standard tarot deck would emphasise it's a Monkey Island tarot deck, making it extra special.
  • edited February 2010
    so keep them in to look cool, but if you are doing an actual reading take them out?

    that makes sense. I'm not surprised I didn't think of that though
  • edited February 2010
    As has been said if the cards have the trump card numbers on they are valid Tarot cards no question about it just because the images have become standardised in the last ~200 years on the marseille deck does not make other decks that use other images any less valid.

    The 'revised tarot deck' is just that an edited and changed deck made to suit the stance of Jean-Baptiste Alliette the man who popularised divination using them. So yeah the image and name of the card is unimportant aslong as your understanding of each card is firmly set in your head :rolleyes:
  • edited February 2010
    I like the fact that they brought up three real major arcana cards in the game (The Lovers, Justice, and Death), but I also liked the fact that they made up some cards instead of using cards that wouldn't really fit. The only reason why I would want the Voodoo Lady's deck is because its awesome and the art's pretty.
  • edited February 2010
    I wonder what kind of person I am, because I have tarot deck with medieval themed erotic drawings, which I bought from Roman toystore (I still keep wondering why they have tarot decks with adult illustrations in a toystore). :D

    Possibly for the same reason that stores put pole dancing kits for 8-year olds in the toy sections occasionally. =)
  • edited February 2010
    Ripcord wrote: »
    Possibly for the same reason that stores put pole dancing kits for 8-year olds in the toy sections occasionally. =)

    Because they trust that parents will keep an eye on their children :D

    Yeah.
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    now as for making the real tarot card, I dont like the whole playing cards thing. they were always used for the divination type thing
    No, there are no records of the Tarot being used for divination until the 18th century, and by that time it'd been in use for games for centuries. I believe that one of the people who popularised it at the time claimed that occult Tarot went back to Ancient Egypt, but there's no evidence of that, and plenty of evidence against it.
  • edited February 2010
    Remolay wrote: »
    The voodoo ladys tarrot cards include no real cards.

    There is no Curse or Journey card.
    the closest thing to Journey is The Fool.

    and if it were all real cards it wouldn't work because Everyone would have the same deck of tarrot cards. Yorur deck is supposed to be unique. reflect you. Like my deck of actual tarrot cards is full of cats, I am a cat person

    This just in!

    Fantasy games takes liberties with established physics!

    News at 11!
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