I always thought this would be interesting: Revenge plot point, Spoilers
Okay, please forgive me for this, but I always thought this would be an interesting theory if it was true.
In Revenge, LeChuck claims that him and Guybrush are brothers and this is supported by the fact that the head of Guybrush's father seems to work as an ingredient for the voodoo doll. Now, Ron gave an interesting comment on this whole situation once. He said "they are brothers, but they also aren't". This gave me the idea that Guybrush and LeChuck are half-brothers. I could picture LeChuck's father being a cheating alcohlic and left his wife and went with a woman and coneived Guybrush. They soon left him though and LeChuck tracked the pair down and gruesomly murdered them in revenge.
That would explain why the father's skelton worked on LeChuck and also makes Ron's answer make quite a bit of sense. I don't know, I always thought that them being brothers was a little too much, but half brothers could put a different spin on it. Since Revenge, that whole brother concept was never mentioned again and was neither confirmed nor denyed in the games.
In Revenge, LeChuck claims that him and Guybrush are brothers and this is supported by the fact that the head of Guybrush's father seems to work as an ingredient for the voodoo doll. Now, Ron gave an interesting comment on this whole situation once. He said "they are brothers, but they also aren't". This gave me the idea that Guybrush and LeChuck are half-brothers. I could picture LeChuck's father being a cheating alcohlic and left his wife and went with a woman and coneived Guybrush. They soon left him though and LeChuck tracked the pair down and gruesomly murdered them in revenge.
That would explain why the father's skelton worked on LeChuck and also makes Ron's answer make quite a bit of sense. I don't know, I always thought that them being brothers was a little too much, but half brothers could put a different spin on it. Since Revenge, that whole brother concept was never mentioned again and was neither confirmed nor denyed in the games.
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Haha, yeah I can understand that.
guybrush says to elaine he found her sexy when she was poxed up and wonders if that meens he finds lechuck a little bit sexy 2
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Second, the fact that the skull works on LeChuck only proves that it's LeChuck's ancestor (of any relation), not Guybrush's father. How can Guybrush tell it's his parents just by looking at their skeletal remains? This isn't CSI. He says it is after like 1 second of looking at them.
Third, the "I am your brother" speech is an obvious rip-off of/reference to The Empire Strikes Back. It was most likely said for comedic value, not a plot device. It would be lame for the nature of Guybrush's eternal battle against LeChuck to hinge on a tired Star Wars reference, which is why the newer games don't pay attention to it.
It was just a theory of mine. Ron has since confirmed that it was meant to be a major story arc for the third game. The newer games do not pay attention to it because they were not made with Ron Gilbert's input, who had a different idea for the third game. I also don't think that logic plays that much of a role in Monkey Island. Guybrush said they were his parents and I wouldn't understand why Ron would have his characters say lines like that unless he is hinting at something going on in that scene.
I'm pretty sure newer games never paid attention to it because they were made ten years later, by a largely different staff, and they had to dumb down and cut out connections to past games to serve the children that hadn't played them. After all, can't have kids jumping into the middle of a story and getting scared and confused.
EMI never mentioned it and was 50% refranceing the past and TMI refranced the past games a lot just not this part but its not cos they don't think ppl will understand most new fans will have looked up what they dont understand on google or fan sites
You hate CMI and EMI. We know that already. You've made it abundantly clear that the classic MI2 is your favorite game. I'm not going to lay my face to the ground and say "Ron Gilbert is God" though. Especially not when I think the end of MI2 was lame. So if I think that the whole "brothers" thing is just a Star Wars reference, I'm justified in agreeing with the later games that ignore it.
And I'm sure you make a valid point, but I still don't like the end of MI2.
EDIT: Hey, are you saying that you accept that the Giant Monkey Head is really a big robot and would like it if they continued with that story arc? I sure wouldn't.
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If you're continuing from the same timeline as Escape, then you'd have to. Sadly, Escape followed in Curse's footsteps when it comes to contradicting the past games and introducing gigantic plot holes.
Still, there's really no reason to overtly refer to the giant monkey in a game following Escape. Its story arc is over. There's no reason for it to show up anymore. We're done with Melee. If we weren't done with it, well, then maybe we'd have to see it again, yeah.
wasnt you telling him off 4 keep saying he dont like mi games after orignals yet you can say smae about the star wars films that wernt orignal
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Look... all I'm saying is that I didn't like the end of MI2. I also didn't like the rest of EMI after you get to Monkey Island. For the series to turn around and either ignore or explain (say, with monkeylectrics) is fine by me, if it means that they can use that tactic to then recapture what I loved so much about the story in the first place.
...How appropriate. You fight like a cow.
Haha. I mean no offense, it's just that arguments like these happen a lot on this board and they just go on and on. The people involved usually never convince the other to see the topic from his or her point of view and they do not stop until someone from telltale tells them to.
Yeah, there is quite a lot of room for speculation in this regard. I always wanted to know more about the childhood and past of Guybrush and LeChuck. The whole brother concept seemed to be the perfect door opener to that. Seeing why LeChuck turned evil and why Guybrush's parents left him would make some interesting plot points
I honestly believe that Ron originally intended for the whole amusement park ending to be a hex (Elaine hoping Guybrush didn't fall under a spell), but also intended for them to be brothers. I thought them being half brothers would fit pretty well because it would also begin to explain the motivations of some of the characters.
That's spelling, not grammar! [/semantics_nazi]
I don't think Guybrush and LeChuck can be half-brothers: in fact, at the end of MI2 when Guybrush asks LeChuck "Why have you been chasing me?" LeChuck replies "OUR mother told me to look for you" OUR mother, not MY, so, from this point of view, your hipothesis can't be correct: they have both the parents in common.
they could have same mum but diffrent dad
Nope, one spelling and one grammar error. I just didn't bother to type nazi for both.
Don't you get your dad's skull from the lost parents thing when your making a voodoo doll? If they have different fathers why does it work on LeChuck?
But as mentioned that was all thrown out in Curse.
Well, this is another longshot, but while LeChuck may have had a different mother, Guybrush's biological mother may have been LeChuck's stepmother. He may have been lying about the whole mother telling him to hunt him down thing. This obviously may never be proven true and I'm probably dead wrong, but I think it's good to at least explore this concept from the series since no one has really touched on it a lot.
But that could be part of the spell. LeChuck wants Guybrush to think he's his brother, and it makes it easier for him to be under the spell if it has some elements that Guybrush himself believes are true. So LeChuck put a different spell on his own father so that Guybrush would see the skeletton and have a gut feeling of "it's my father", without questioning it. He could have done that by previously causing Guybrush's hallucination, and make that skeleton appear in the sequence as being GB's dad so he would recognise him.
Or all of that could actually be caused by the voodoo lady, of course. She's the one who manipulated things.
In the end, though, the point is that it's easier for GB to be taken under the spell of "I'm a kid and LeChuck is my brother" is, possibly unconsciously, he already has the impression that LeChuck is his brother.
Later on, when he's not under the spell anymore, that part vanishes from his mind just like the rest of the hallucination. Easier for the voodoo lady to cover her tracks if GB doesn't remember all of the things he can tie to her.
That makes sense, I could see the whole section that takes place under Dinky Island being part of LeChuck's spell. So in that case, making the voodoo doll didn't actually mean anything, the whole thing was a red herring that LeChuck planted to make Guybrush think he could still win. Guybrush runs around collecting all the parts for the doll, makes it, confronts LeChuck and thinks he's won then bam, trapped in the Carnival of the Damned. Much more fun to dangle the chance of victory in front of him, then snatch it away.
He killed them? Then he kept their skeletons to remind himself how he killed them, and for ultimate revenge? And to make sure nobody revived them? (Not that their skeletons are needed apparently, but who knows if he knew that at the time).
I wouldn't be surprised if he did given his vast history of torture, murder, and dismemberment. I think it’s safe to assume that LeChuck's childhood wasn't the best, so killing his parents seems right up his alley.
Just because the sign doesn't say that doesn't mean he didn't do it. Not exactly good story telling if they just made a sign like that. That would give it away to Guybrush as well, whom LeChuck was trying to fool. LeChuck has a very sadistic sense of humor when it comes to killing people. An example is when Morgan was stabbed, the skeleton in the office was turned around with his hands covering his eyes like he was horrified. That obviously just didn't happen by accident, LeChuck probably moved the skeleton into that position, that's the type of humor he has. So him killing his parents and then placing them in a "Lost Parents" area seems like something he would do. Lost could also have a number of meanings: lost to oblivion, lost in life, clueless, ect.
I hadn't thought of that. That's good.