Steam Prices (dollar vs. euro vs. pound)

Hi everyone, first post for me! :)
This is probably going to stir up a controversy or at least an eyeroll but I really need to say something: I'm disappointed, I thought you were different. Still with the unfair prices for us europeans? I always check before buying a game and saw this.

Monkey Island 2 Special Edition - LeChuck's Revenge:
Dollars = 9,99
Euros = 9,99 = 12,31 dollars
Pounds = 6,99 = 10,43 dollars

I even checked Sam & Max - The Devil's Playhouse:
Dollars = 34,99
Euros = 32,99 = 40,67 dollars
Pounds = 24,99 = 37,29 dollars

As you see for brits it's a bit better, for the euros.. not that good. So I'm asking you why? Why are you -companies- always trying to rip us off? Wait, I know for the money -ehm- anyway, 1$ clearly isn't 1€. It can't be taxes or your Store would charge us the same amount.

And please don't blame each other, you say it's steam's fault.. and they say it's your fault. Who's really at fault? Dunno but please do something, I'm currently buying from TellTale Store but I favour and prefer Steam :( if this continues I won't ever buy any of your games in there and urge others to do the same. Ugh, I kinda sound like a pouting petulant child crossing her arms but you know what I mean :D

I hope this doesn't get closed, I want to hear what others think about this situation.

Well, it's done. I used up all my English.. is it all clear enough? heh
Bye!

Comments

  • Macfly77Macfly77 Moderator
    edited June 2010
    Here's a good Telltale-related Steam deal (hopefully it works for Europeans ;)).
  • edited June 2010
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Here's a good Telltale-related Steam deal (hopefully it works for Europeans ;)).
    Yes, I know about the deal thanks ;) but the point is another one.
    That deal you just linked costs 49,99$
    the european realease 49,99€ which is 61,64$
    The UK release 34,99£ which is 52,30$
    I mean, c'mon! Almost 12$ more?! :(
  • Macfly77Macfly77 Moderator
    edited June 2010
    Telltale isn't Steam. They might set the the US price (and I'm not even positive that they do) but I doubt that they have any input over the European or British prices of their games (I can't guarantee it, but I bet Steam's price "conversions" are the same for all games).
    Also, the value of the euro is not set in comparison to the dollar.
    I am from Belgium and I used to go back from the USA (where I now live) once a year. When I changed my money, the value of the euro would vary greatly from year to year. One time, a euro was as much as 1.5 dollar, another time, closer to 1.1.
    For all we know, a dollar might be worth more than a euro at some point in the future.
    One last thing.
    Let's say Steam decided to charge 8.10 euros (the exact value of $9.99 right now) instead of 9.99 for Monkey Island 2 (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with Telltale) and the euro went back up to 1.50 in a few months, would you then not complain that they are charging the equivalent of $12.15 to European gamers?
  • edited June 2010
    Yeah, it's technically more than $50 if you order in Europe or wherever, but it's better than the regular price of $100. Or the full $238 value price. Imagine how much more than would be in Euro's/Pounds.
  • edited June 2010
    Telltale has nothing to do with Steam's pricing. When you buy from Telltale, you pay in US dollars and are charged for that, converted into your currency.

    If you have a problem with Steam's pricing, you should contact Steam.
  • edited June 2010
    Qualcosa wrote: »
    Monkey Island 2 Special Edition - LeChuck's Revenge:
    Dollars = 9,99
    Euros = 9,99 = 12,31 dollars
    Pounds = 6,99 = 10,43 dollars

    first: The SE should be Lucas Arts Territory. 2nd: What you all tend to forget in your calculations is that steam used to put taxes on the prices for non-americans. Please include these when converting the prices. It still is cheaper than the Euro-price though.
  • edited June 2010
    Gah! I'm so mad, the lights went out and all the things written are gone with it. Re-did it with less stuff and probably more grammatical errors :D
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Also, the value of the euro is not set in comparison to the dollar.
    I am from Belgium and I used to go back from the USA (where I now live) once a year. When I changed my money, the value of the euro would vary greatly from year to year. One time, a euro was as much as 1.5 dollar, another time, closer to 1.1.
    For all we know, a dollar might be worth more than a euro at some point in the future.
    One last thing.
    Let's say Steam decided to charge 8.10 euros (the exact value of $9.99 right now) instead of 9.99 for Monkey Island 2 (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with Telltale) and the euro went back up to 1.50 in a few months, would you then not complain that they are charging the equivalent of $12.15 to European gamers?
    I know what you mean but it's been what, 3 years since the change of currency on Steam? Why can't they set the euro right? You know, at least something like the pound. 1£ isn't 1$.
    [Well, this is a bit pointless since now I know from you all that it's not TellTale's fault. I'll keep sending complaints to Steam lol]
    Yeah, it's technically more than $50 if you order in Europe or wherever, but it's better than the regular price of $100. Or the full $238 value price. Imagine how much more than would be in Euro's/Pounds.
    Yes that's for sure but this "better than nothing" policy isn't worse? If you shrug it off and do nothing how would you make something better?
    Avistew wrote: »
    If you have a problem with Steam's pricing, you should contact Steam.
    I did, they told me it's not their fault. I also saw others getting the same reply, not for TellTale games tho.
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Monkey Island 2 (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with Telltale)
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    first: The SE should be Lucas Arts Territory.
    Don't I feel silly now.. aw, shucks. Yes it's LucasArts, you're right. I assumed it was TellTale for ToMI, topics in this forum, the first special edition on their store, some people from LucasArts on TellTale's staff, the fact that Steam Support didn't correct me etcetc now I know better :cool:
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Telltale isn't Steam. They might set the the US price (and I'm not even positive that they do) but I doubt that they have any input over the European or British prices of their games (I can't guarantee it, but I bet Steam's price "conversions" are the same for all games).
    Avistew wrote: »
    Telltale has nothing to do with Steam's pricing.
    der_ketzer wrote: »
    2nd: What you all tend to forget in your calculations is that steam used to put taxes on the prices for non-americans. Please include these when converting the prices. It still is cheaper than the Euro-price though.
    Got it, so Steam is "the bad guy" in this. They keep telling people it's not their fault when infact, it is. Anyway, Steam is digital stuff, why taxes? They don't have to physically send the package.


    By the way I love TellTale and all the work they are doing (they are one of the best company around) but this Steam business left a sour taste in my mouth, it's like going to a store and looking at 2 identical toys in every way but one costs 5 dollars and the other 10 dollars.. and I can't buy the 5 dollars one. I hope you understand why I'm disappointed about this "pricing thingy".
  • edited June 2010
    Oddly enough, MI SEs are $9.99 each, while it is €8.99 for MI1 and €9.99 for MI2.
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Here's a good Telltale-related Steam deal (hopefully it works for Europeans ;)).
    It does work, but like every Telltale title with 1$=1€, so not as much a bargain for Europeans as it is for Americans.
    And they must be kidding :eek:
    abec.png
    Actually, they do. On the 104 page, there is the install button instead of that insane price tag. Yet, the other episodes are still more expensive than in dollars.
  • edited June 2010
    What doesn't help with the pound conversion is that we're only just getting back up to the value the pound held for some time after falling dramatically in value.
    It wasn't so long ago that it was $2-£1 and €1.50-£1.

    What's worst for the Euro pricing is that the euro is falling in value, at least against the pound I know it is (roughly €1.21 to the £1 now)

    Still, for Monkey Island, it's still worth the extra money, games tend to be cheaper on the other side of the pond anyway.
  • edited June 2010
    and just think in January 2011 the UK VAT will increase from 17.5% to 20% so things about to get a whole lot more expensive for us =(
  • edited June 2010
    we hardly noticed when the VAT went down to 15% except on large purchases, and that cost the government a lot without really increasing the spending in the way Labour said it would.
    This 2.5% increase still puts our VAT lower than a fair few European nations, and it's a measure we have to take to be able to cover our spending and deficit. And with it being added to VAT it isn't unproportional taxing as those who can spend more, will spend more, and therefore be paying more taxes. It's a very fair way to do it.
  • edited June 2010
    Most games (I mean, Xbox DVDs or Playstation Blu-Rays) cost R$299,90 in Brazil. That's 168 dollars.
    Yes.
    YESSSSS.

    That's why I never buy them from Brazilian stores or websites, unless they're voiced in Portuguese AND are not available in Portugal.
  • edited June 2010
    Wow.
  • edited June 2010
    Macfly77 wrote: »
    Let's say Steam decided to charge 8.10 euros (the exact value of $9.99 right now) instead of 9.99 for Monkey Island 2 (which, by the way, has absolutely nothing to do with Telltale) and the euro went back up to 1.50 in a few months, would you then not complain that they are charging the equivalent of $12.15 to European gamers?
    This isn't complaining, but I really wouldn't mind paying Steam in that little known currency called ...

    ...

    Wait for it!

    ...

    US dollars - the same funny money I pay with at Telltale's checkout, despite living in Europe...

    I know, it's a novel and freakish concept, but still...

    np: The Black Dog - Wait Behind This Line (Music For Real Airports)
  • Macfly77Macfly77 Moderator
    edited June 2010
    Leak wrote: »
    This isn't complaining, but I really wouldn't mind paying Steam in that little known currency called ...

    ...

    Wait for it!

    ...

    US dollars - the same funny money I pay with at Telltale's checkout, despite living in Europe...

    I know, it's a novel and freakish concept, but still...

    np: The Black Dog - Wait Behind This Line (Music For Real Airports)
    Wow! You've just blown my mind! ;)
    All kidding aside, you're right of course.
    Charging everyone in dollars would be the fairest solution, but there must be a reason why they're not doing it (like when I tried to by an iPhone app from the iTunes store for my Dad using an iTunes gift card but had to get a refund because my Dad couldn't redeem it in the US store and I couldn't use my US gift card in the European store) and my knowledge of international retail rules and regulations is far from deep enough (or deep at all!) to try to figure out what it is.
    Maybe other forum members (or Valve) could enlighten us...
  • edited June 2010
    Why don't they just do it like other companies? Taking their local currency and just displaying a price for foreign currencies based on the today's exchange rate on the fly (of course with exchange fees and tax included, if applicable). Most shops with multiple currencies do this, and yes, the prices do change slightly on a per day basis on those sites. Who cares, as long as they don't rip someone off? Steam prices don't seem fair most of the time.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, if they would just stay with their local currency. PayPal will do the exchange for you with absolutely no extra steps required by the user.

    I hope that Telltale won't introduce this currency nonsense ever.
  • edited June 2010
    and just think in January 2011 the UK VAT will increase from 17.5% to 20% so things about to get a whole lot more expensive for us =(
    thin029 wrote: »
    Most games (I mean, Xbox DVDs or Playstation Blu-Rays) cost R$299,90 in Brazil. That's 168 dollars.
    Yes.
    YESSSSS.
    This sucks :eek:
    Leak wrote: »
    This isn't complaining, but I really wouldn't mind paying Steam in that little known currency called ...

    ...

    Wait for it!

    ...

    US dollars - the same funny money I pay with at Telltale's checkout, despite living in Europe...

    I know, it's a novel and freakish concept, but still...
    This was very "I have a dream..." heh
    Unluckily it's all about money. They know most players don't check these things or (if they know) don't complain for the price. 'The change' won't ever happen, too many players with their eyes and ears covered and a mouth wide open to feed on whatever the company pass.
    Why don't they just do it like other companies? Taking their local currency and just displaying a price for foreign currencies based on the today's exchange rate on the fly (of course with exchange fees and tax included, if applicable). Most shops with multiple currencies do this, and yes, the prices do change slightly on a per day basis on those sites. Who cares, as long as they don't rip someone off? Steam prices don't seem fair most of the time.

    On the other hand, I wouldn't mind, if they would just stay with their local currency. PayPal will do the exchange for you with absolutely no extra steps required by the user.

    I hope that Telltale won't introduce this currency nonsense ever.
    Why don't they do like other companies? As I said before, for the money. Right now I kinda see Steam like a kid with a nice weekly allowance given by us, the parents... but it isn't enough for him and begins to steal from his mum purse or his dad wallet for a bit more. The worst part? His parents knew... but won't do anything 'cause they have faith in him, he's a good kid and will learn his lesson!

    ... except he won't lol

    >I hope that Telltale won't introduce this currency nonsense ever.
    Yeah, I hope so too.
  • edited June 2010
    Wow.

    Crazy isn't it? I took a screenshot:
    preo.jpg
    Taken from www.livrariasaraiva.com.br
  • edited June 2010
    Steam Europe is a rip off
  • edited June 2010
    oh, one note: to US prices if you buy from inside the US, depending on the state there are allways added taxes.
    These taxes can't be applied to buyers from outside US.

    Actually, Telltale once payed me some money back because they accidentaly added taxes to the listed price.
  • edited June 2010
    Neumi wrote: »
    Actually, Telltale once payed me some money back because they accidentaly added taxes to the listed price.

    they've donethat to me multiple times :D
  • edited June 2010
    Neumi wrote: »
    Steam Europe is a rip off

    To be fair, Steam is also amazing, just this week alone you could get the Max Payne bundle for £7.50, Both Monkey Island Special Editions (pre-order) for £6.99, right mow you can get the two original Oddworld games for £2!!! Even right now, Tales of Monkey Island is only £8.50, ok yes it won't include the DVD, but just for the game on it's own and it's both the PC and Mac versions that isn't a bad price.

    Steam when not in a sale, then yes, they do often charge quite a bit for games, even older ones. But Steam in a sale, which they have a lot of, means you can pick up a load of games on the cheap side!
  • edited June 2010
    Ash735 wrote: »
    To be fair, Steam is also amazing, just this week alone you could get the Max Payne bundle for £7.50, Both Monkey Island Special Editions (pre-order) for £6.99, right mow you can get the two original Oddworld games for £2!!! Even right now, Tales of Monkey Island is only £8.50, ok yes it won't include the DVD, but just for the game on it's own and it's both the PC and Mac versions that isn't a bad price.

    Steam when not in a sale, then yes, they do often charge quite a bit for games, even older ones. But Steam in a sale, which they have a lot of, means you can pick up a load of games on the cheap side!

    Don't get me wrong. I bought a few cheap items there, Serious Sam 1+2 HD for 7,50€.
    But the prices in Eurpe are allways higher then in US and that's not cool.
  • edited June 2010
    It's pretty simple.

    Valve (Steam) rips us off.
    Which is one of the 8 reasons in the "why buy from TTG instead of Steam" list I made, and why I never shop on Steam EVER. The only thing I got there (Audiosurf) I bought before they started screwing us over...
  • edited June 2010
    Neumi wrote: »
    Don't get me wrong. I bought a few cheap items there, Serious Sam 1+2 HD for 7,50€.
    But the prices in Eurpe are allways higher then in US and that's not cool.
    But thats the case in general across europe (not just steam). Steams prices usually reflect retail prices (when new). Which is kind awrong in my opinion (given they are only Digital copies), but the crazy sales make up for that.
  • edited June 2010
    I'm not sure the increased prices in Europe are down to Steam being greedy though. There is still things like taxes and, depending on the country, VAT, which would add to the price. This is assuming that they use VAT which I assume they do.

    I also noticed the ToMI set for £8.50... with just over a minute left in the sale. A mad scramble to get it before time expired commenced and I was victorious!
  • edited June 2010
    Congratulations! I really wish I had the money for that Telltale Everything pack on Steam. I'd like to own everything from both the TTG store and Steam. That's just me I guess.
  • edited June 2010
    Zonino wrote: »
    I'm not sure the increased prices in Europe are down to Steam being greedy though. There is still things like taxes and, depending on the country, VAT, which would add to the price. This is assuming that they use VAT which I assume they do.
    Which are less than the increase in price, even using the european country with the highest tax rate as example...
  • edited June 2010
    Qualcosa wrote: »
    Monkey Island 2 Special Edition - LeChuck's Revenge:
    Dollars = 9,99
    Euros = 9,99 = 12,31 dollars

    Zonino wrote: »
    I'm not sure the increased prices in Europe are down to Steam being greedy though. There is still things like taxes and, depending on the country, VAT, which would add to the price. This is assuming that they use VAT which I assume they do.

    Which are less than the increase in price, even using the european country with the highest tax rate as example...

    According to wikipedia, there seems to be no VAT in the US, with the exception of a couple of states. If so, the difference would be 25.5%, which would amount to:

    9,99 USD * 1.255 = 12.54 USD
    €9,99 = 12.31 USD

    Which really isn't that far off.
  • edited June 2010
    Friar wrote: »
    But thats the case in general across europe (not just steam). Steams prices usually reflect retail prices (when new). Which is kind awrong in my opinion (given they are only Digital copies), but the crazy sales make up for that.

    Actually I usually pay in $ (other sources) because european Euro prices tend to be too high.
    For international distribution system like Steam I don't really see why they are doing it however.
    Telltale even gave me money back when they charged too much.
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