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ToMI DVD DRM?

SoultakerSoultaker
edited July 2010 in Tales of Monkey Island
Hi,

Can anyone comment on the DRM status of the ToMI DVD? nikasaur's post is less than helpful, and I'd rather not pay the rather steep shipping fee just to receive another beverage coaster like the Wallace and Gromit DVD turned out to be.

Signed, a longtime fan of Telltale who is more than a bit disappointed by the lack of openness and trust the company exhibits towards their loyal clientele,
- Soultaker

Comments

  • doodinthemooddoodinthemood
    edited July 2010
    There's nowt.
  • SoultakerSoultaker
    edited July 2010
    What? No online activation? Not even SecuROM disc-in-drive protection? Can I get an official confirmation of this?
  • FriarFriar
    edited July 2010
    Soultaker wrote: »
    Hi,

    Can anyone comment on the DRM status of the ToMI DVD? nikasaur's post is less than helpful, and I'd rather not pay the rather steep shipping fee just to receive another beverage coaster like the Wallace and Gromit DVD turned out to be.

    Signed, a longtime fan of Telltale who is more than a bit disappointed by the lack of openness and trust the company exhibits towards their loyal clientele,
    - Soultaker
    They've now fixed the shipping cost bug thing. Theres a cheaper option now, which is $10 international shipping (£6.50), which is pretty good.
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2010
    Soultaker wrote: »
    What? No online activation? Not even SecuROM disc-in-drive protection? Can I get an official confirmation of this?

    There is a disc-in-drive check, no online activation.
  • TeaTea
    edited July 2010
    SHODANFreeman wrote: »
    There is a disc-in-drive check, no online activation.

    No, there isn't. The disc is only needed for the bonus content and installation.
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2010
    TheJoe wrote: »
    No, there isn't. The disc is only needed for the bonus content and installation.

    Oh, weird, I thought it had to be in.
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited July 2010
    TheJoe wrote: »
    No, there isn't. The disc is only needed for the bonus content and installation.

    I copyed all the bonus files to my laptop cos my disc drive sounded like it was going to explode XP so now i can bury it in the treasure box like a real pirate ARRR

    EDIT
    POST 2000!!
  • SoultakerSoultaker
    edited July 2010
    That sounds great, but is there an official source on this?

    edit:
    Congrats on hitting 2000 Sailor!
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited July 2010
    I know I'm not official, but I can also attest that I was able to install Tales and play the episodes without a disc check on three different computers, some of which never had an install of Tales on them before. I'm one of the people who was most angry about the Wallace and Gromit disc, so I definitely know your pain. This is an actually very good disc, and in terms of DRM it's even better than the perfectly reasonable discs of the past.

    For a more "official" word, does this help?
  • KuroShiroKuroShiro
    edited July 2010
    Soultaker wrote: »
    That sounds great, but is there an official source on this?

    edit:
    Congrats on hitting 2000 Sailor!

    I, um, OFFICIALLY inform you that there is no disc check on the ToMI DVD. I have the Deluxe Edition. If there is any DRM, it is very well hidden.
  • Giant TopeGiant Tope
    edited July 2010
    If you're not gonna trust people who actually have the dvd, folks on the telltale crew have confirmed that there is no dvd drm. Its just really old news and you just need to look for it.
  • SoultakerSoultaker
    edited July 2010
    KuroShiro wrote: »
    I, um, OFFICIALLY inform you that there is no disc check on the ToMI DVD.
    You know what official means right? If I'm told the game comes without DRM and then it turns out it does, I want to complain about it. But if my belief was founded on some guy on the forums telling me, I don't have a leg to stand on. ;) That's why I was hoping there was an official source on this. Especially since a lot of people asked Telltale about DRM before the release, but the response was "we don't know yet, 'cause we haven't finished the DVD", so you'd think that now that it's done, there'd be an official statement.
    Giant Tope wrote: »
    If you're not gonna trust people who actually have the dvd, folks on the telltale crew have confirmed that there is no dvd drm.
    I do trust you guys, but it could be that the game auto-activates (like the Sam & Max downloads did IIRC) so you might not even notice it, until you happen to find yourself without internet and can't install/play the game. The people in the best position to tell what's on there, are the guys that actually put the DRM on the DVD (or not).
    Rather Dashing wrote: »
    I know I'm not official, but I can also attest that I was able to install Tales and play the episodes without a disc check on three different computers, some of which never had an install of Tales on them before. [..] For a more "official" word, does this help?
    I guess the combined testimonies here are almost as good as an official confirmation, so I'll go order the DVD after all. Big thanks for investigating and replying everyone!
  • MusicallyInspiredMusicallyInspired
    edited July 2010
    I assume the disc-based protection is that it installs a form of SecureRom on your computer which the games check each time you play. Similarly to how the online activation works. It's just less noticeable this time because you're always going to need the disc to install it so even if you format you'll never notice the protection. They weren't kidding when they said that the DRM would be the least obtrusive possible on the DVD!
  • doodinthemooddoodinthemood
    edited July 2010
    Aw, as if I'm not considered a reliable source anymore ;)
  • KuroShiroKuroShiro
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    I assume the disc-based protection is that it installs a form of SecureRom on your computer which the games check each time you play. Similarly to how the online activation works. It's just less noticeable this time because you're always going to need the disc to install it so even if you format you'll never notice the protection. They weren't kidding when they said that the DRM would be the least obtrusive possible on the DVD!

    Well, I can confirm that it is not SecuROM. After running SecuROM remover (official software) the games still run fine. The game also still runs fine when offline without the disc. So if there is DRM, it is the all time least noticable.

    And yes, I know what official means. I was just messing around.
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited July 2010
    Has anyone installed it to a computer that wasn't connected to the internet at the time and hadn't previously had Tales installed? If not, I may be able to test that fairly soon.
  • TeaTea
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    I assume the disc-based protection is that it installs a form of SecureRom on your computer which the games check each time you play. Similarly to how the online activation works. It's just less noticeable this time because you're always going to need the disc to install it so even if you format you'll never notice the protection. They weren't kidding when they said that the DRM would be the least obtrusive possible on the DVD!

    There is no protection. No Securom. No online activation.

    The DVD has no DRM of any kind whatsoever. You do not need an official source as a legal leg to stand on, because you will not find any DRM.

    I will buy you a Telltale Episode of your choice if you find any DRM on the DVD. That is, if it prompts you to activate the game or tells you that the DVD is not in the drive.

    You won't find any DRM on the DVD at all.
  • MusicallyInspiredMusicallyInspired
    edited July 2010
    Telltale staff have said themselves on this very forum that all their DVDs have some form of DRM. They also said that TMI's would be the least obtrusive of them all. It's genius whatever it is....unless an actual TTG staff member comes in here and fills us all in on if it actually exists or not.
  • LogicDeLuxeLogicDeLuxe
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    Telltale staff have said themselves on this very forum that all their DVDs have some form of DRM.
    I guess, LucasArts decided against it. Like they always did with every adventure game released on physical media before.
    That makes me wonder why they approached Steam instead of GOG.
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited July 2010
    GuruGuru214 wrote: »
    Has anyone installed it to a computer that wasn't connected to the internet at the time and hadn't previously had Tales installed? If not, I may be able to test that fairly soon.
    Yes and yes. Completely fresh computer, in a cabin in the woods, no WiFi connection for miles around. Worked flawlessly.
  • SoultakerSoultaker
    edited July 2010
    Yeah, but that was in the woods! What if it was a cabin in the middle of the desert? What if there was no cabin?
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited July 2010
    Rather Dashing wrote: »
    Yes and yes. Completely fresh computer, in a cabin in the woods, no WiFi connection for miles around. Worked flawlessly.

    Damn, when you do something, you do it all the way.
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited July 2010
    GuruGuru214 wrote: »
    Damn, when you do something, you do it all the way.
    Haha, I was a volunteer staff member for a summer camp. =P
  • GuruGuru214GuruGuru214
    edited July 2010
    Oh, those poor children...

    By the way, did anybody else notice the program "MonkeyIsland100_full_nodrm_webbrowser" in the DVD files?
  • LogicDeLuxeLogicDeLuxe
    edited July 2010
    Rather Dashing wrote: »
    Yes and yes. Completely fresh computer, in a cabin in the woods, no WiFi connection for miles around. Worked flawlessly.
    Without the DVD in drive? Ie. copied its content to the harddrive prior install.
  • MusicallyInspiredMusicallyInspired
    edited July 2010
    LogicDeLuxe wrote: »
    I guess, LucasArts decided against it. Like they always did with every adventure game released on physical media before.
    That makes me wonder why they approached Steam instead of GOG.

    No game company anywhere would ever ever be against DRM on game discs.
  • TeaTea
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    No game company anywhere would ever ever be against DRM on game discs.

    Apart from Telltale who didn't put DRM on the Tales disc.
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2010
    I think it should just go back to the way it was before the internet was as huge as it is now. Serial keys, maybe a disc check, and nothing else, no online activation, nothing intrusive, ever. I don't think the numbers on piracy have ever gone down at all, regardless of whatever ridiculous crap they try to pull with DRM. Pirates will pirate, and the only protection that is necessary is making it so you can't casually pirate it (as in, random people with no computer knowledge being able to just stick a disc in, press "copy disc" and hand it to their friend, which was very easy to do when CD burners first came out.), which a serial code and disc check is more than enough to do.

    Or they could go back to code wheels, or the ones where you have to find a specific word on a specific page of the manual. :p
  • WillWill Telltale Alumni
    edited July 2010
    You didn't hear from me but... there's no DRM.
  • MusicallyInspiredMusicallyInspired
    edited July 2010
    Well then. I'm quite happy to be proven wrong. :)
  • KuroShiroKuroShiro
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    No game company anywhere would ever ever be against DRM on game discs.

    Incorrect. See: Stardock.
  • KlinkKlink
    edited July 2010
    Will wrote: »
    You didn't hear from me but... there's no DRM.

    As soon as I saw this I had to post. This is by far the best decision Telltale has ever made. I applaud Telltale for this incredible step down the DRM-Free road. Let's see how long this lasts.
  • TeaTea
    edited July 2010
    MusicallyInspired wrote: »
    Well then. I'm quite happy to be proven wrong. :)

    Hey, I tried to tell you. And you, Soultaker.

    I guess I don't owe anyone a Telltale episode. You're all free to laden my inbox with gifts, though.
  • LogicDeLuxeLogicDeLuxe
    edited July 2010
    Will wrote: »
    You didn't hear from me but... there's no DRM.
    I wonder, was it Telltale's or LucasArts' decision?
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