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Bad Brain asking for help

Unknown
edited January 2005 in General Chat
I just got an email from theinventory.org asking fans of Sam and Max to help Bad Brain aquire the rights of the duo. It all seems pretty pathetic.
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  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    It all seems pretty pathetic.

    Try unprofessional. "We tried our hardest, it was all their fault, now please please go beg Steve Purcell to help us pleeeeeeease!" Yeah, way to go guys.

    I'm not impressed. I figured this would happen.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    I'm not going to say "told you so" or anything but, the chances of lucas arts handing it over a unfinnished game was always pretty low.
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited January 2005
    I'm not going to say "told you so" or anything but, the chances of lucas arts handing it over a unfinnished game was always pretty low.

    Probably, but I'm sure talking about while supposedly having signed an NDA slightly hurt the chances.

    And if fans are going to persuade Purcell to give the license to any company, you'd think it'd be Telltale...
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Hahahaha. "GIVE" like thats going to happen, something like that only goes to either the highest bidder and/or most trustworthy developer. Purcell would probably be fed up with Sam and Max games by now. He has to be very carefull who he trusts.

    EDIT: Can someone put up what the email says
    EDIT: or is it just what tyraarane quoted
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    EDIT: Can someone put up what the email says
    EDIT: or is it just what tyraarane quoted

    No, that wasn't what I just quoted...I was paraphrasing what Bad-Brain said in the Inventory thread and at their website, or rather, what they came across as. The e-mail is as follows:

    The following is an email sent to you by an administrator of "The
    Inventory". If this message is spam, contains abusive or other comments you
    find offensive please contact the webmaster of the board at the
    following address:

    d.manos@theinventory.org

    Include this full email (particularly the headers).

    Message sent to you follows:
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

    Today Wolfgang Kierdorf, CEO of Bad Brain Entertainment, announced at
    BBE's website (www.bad-brain.com) that the negotiations with Lucasarts
    hit rock bottom. HOWEVER, there is still hope to get the rights for Sam
    and Max 2 as the rights return to Steve Purcell on May. So it is then
    up to Steve Purcell whether to give the rights to BBE or not.

    Wolfgang started a thread at the Bad Brain Entertainment forum in which
    he asks you to send a message to Steve Purcell, showing how much you
    would like him to give the rights to BBE, so that we can finally see a
    sequel to this classic adventure. The thread is:

    http://www.theinventory.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=647&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=0

    So give a helping hand to the great effort of BBE by sending your
    message to Steve Purcell. And ask your friends to do it too!
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Thanks
    EDIT: Okay I read the thread on Bad brains forums. It was pretty good for a laugh. They treat seem to think that Steve Purcell doesn't have a clue about the gaming industry.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    bad brain is a disgrace..if steve purcell gives the rights to sam and max to anyone it should be to telltale games and telltale games only...

    i suspected this bad brain stuff all along but it still makes me extremely pissed [>:)]
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    What if Telltale doesn't want it. It would be deja vu considering that they spent so much time on the original LucasArts version of the sequal. I don't know, maybe the game should be laid to rest for a while so that every one can stop being morons.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited January 2005
    Agree wholeheartedly on Telltale getting the license, not the BBE circus. And I've said as much in the thread by Wolfgang Kierdorf on their forum.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited January 2005
    What if Telltale doesn't want it.

    They've already said they do want it, and will probably try to aquire the rights as their 2nd licensed franchise. You have to assume the current "Coming Soon" announcement will be the 1st license deal.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    What if Telltale doesn't want it.

    I believe they said at one point that they wanted to open negotiations with Purcell once LucasArts lost the license in May...? This whole three ring circus may have changed their minds, though, and I could see why it would--I'm getting sick and tired of all this myself. Still, if it came down to either Bad-Brain or TellTale getting the license...my vote goes with TellTale. I trust Bad-Brain about as far as I can throw 'em.

    EDIT: Whoops, JP already answered that point. Hooray for crossing posts.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    The Telltale guys.. i think about 90% worked on sam and max freelance police, which was looking awesome..they deserve to be given the chance to complete a sam and max game that everyone wants..

    as for bad brain..if steve purcell gave the people that came up with the idea of "the orgastic four" sam and max i'd probably have to kill myself
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Wolfgang should be attacked by a gang of wolves.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    At the end of the day he's just like all of us, Money hungry
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    I've remained highly optomistic until now; but this is pretty pathetic. While I think they should be commended for trying their response to not getting seems kind of whiny.
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    Unprofessional? Maybe. I can see how it looks like that, and although I posted on the Inventory forum for Steve Purcell to sell the future S&M rights to Bad Brain, ultimately I guess I don't really care who gets the license for Sam & Max, as long as it's done well and is taken to completion. I'd like to see the original team members (i.e. Telltale) start a new S&M game. I'm sure they would deliver beyond all expectations. :) And if Bad Brain got the license, well, I think they'd be smart enough to get Telltale to develop it. At least, I hope so. Apparently, I've been wrong before. Still, I have no more faith in one company over the other. So far, neither of the companies has produced anything (although Telltale is close). But I like both of them, because God bless them, they're making adventure games. Or at least trying. And I'll probably buy every last freakin' game either of them makes.

    Except Quizzoid.

    I know a lot of people will disagree with me, but I don't blame Wolfgang for LucasArts being such dickweeds. If Wolfgang should be attacked by a gang of wolves, we all should. I think most of us sent complaints and hatemail to LucasArts when we heard they cancelled Sam & Max, and we were all ultimately ignored and denied, just like Wolfgang and all of his bling bling. If they won't listen to the teeming masses, then there's no hope that they'd listen to a German with money coming out of his wazoo. I mean, who would have thought that LEC would say no to a pile of money? No one, that's who.

    Now excuse me while I go fill LucasArts inbox with goat porn.
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited January 2005
    So far, neither of the companies has produced anything (although Telltale is close).

    The thing is Telltale has a team with an actual history, a lot of it adventure related, some of it even Sam & Max 2 related.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Who is to say he's not exaggerating about negotaitions. He might have called the President of LucasArts at his/her home in the middle of the night speaking in German, and have been welcomed by a warm "PISS OFF". Right then and there LucasArts are withdrawing out of negotiations.
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    The thing is Telltale has a team with an actual history, a lot of it adventure related, some of it even Sam & Max 2 related.
    Yeah, I realize that. So with that in mind, I probably favor Telltale for Sam & Max.

    Still, Bad Brain is just a publisher at the moment. They're tinkering around with some of their intellectual property, so it wouldn't be beyond the realm of possibility that they have someone else develop Sam & Max. And Telltale does have S&M* experience, making them the best choice to make a deal with.





    *That is, S&M as in Sam & Max. Not whips and chains hanky-panky. Who knows what REALLY goes in that infamous closet?
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    Who is to say he's not exaggerating about negotaitions. He might have called the President of LucasArts at his/her home in the middle of the night speaking in French, and have been welcomed by a warm "PISS OFF". Right then and there LucasArts are withdrawing out of negotiations.

    He's German. Not stupid.


    Edit: (to cover my ass)
    But it's possible. He could be a nincompoop. I don't think so though. I think he's just a risk-taker. A lot of people take risks, but they don't necessarily get verbally shanked by the online community if their plans fall through. Once, I told a friend I'd eat a ham sandwich for lunch. But the place where I was eating didn't have any ham. When I told my friend, I never heard the end of it. Also, I just made all of that up. There was no ham sandwich.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    no..im sure steve purcell would only deal with a professional business such as telltale games.. if fans actually want to see a good sam and max follow up realised they'd want telltale at the helm so please dont respond to that ridiculous post @ the inventory
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    LucasArts was very professional, too. So has everyone else Purcell has dealt with, probably.

    Maybe Purcell is just cursed. :-/
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited January 2005
    I think he's just a risk-taker. A lot of people take risks, but they don't necessarily get verbally shanked by the online community if their plans fall through.

    He's not being verbally shanked for taking risks, but for generating false hype surrounding his attempts, not to mention manipulating a bunch of optimistic Sam & Max fans.
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    He's not being verbally shanked for taking risks, but for generating false hype surrounding his attempts, not to mention manipulating a bunch of optimistic Sam & Max fans.
    Alright. I'll give you that. He should have never mentioned Sam & Max in any form until the final result. But not just because of any NDA. I still have a hard time believing that would be the only reason why LucasArts would pull out. They're way too greedy and/or stubborn for that to be the sole reason. So it would have been better to be completely in the dark about the whole thing, and not be crushed again. Others have their own opinion, but I really don't think it was intentional. It would be the mark of a truly insane person who thinks that crushing people's hopes is a good way to get positive publicity for their company. I think he really believed he had it, and then LucasArts said no. He's definitely guilty of overconfidence.

    However, I'm not going to hate the guy like so many others. I'm a rebel like that. B-) Still, I'll say I understand how everyone feels, and just let it go at that.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Think about the name. Bad Brain? Sounds like it was dropped on the head as a child.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    check their homepage about Sam and Max2...
    http://www.bad-brain.com/

    it looks like all they want is to force Steve Purcell to give them the Licence.

    They already have 4 projects started, and it is no EA games... That s enough i think. Odd one of Them is suposedly designed by Monkey 3 director Tiller, i have too much to do to refinish monkey 3 to check but what did he really do in CMI ? I am asking because in movies they would tell you "by the producer of xxxxxx" where in fact the producer did nothing for the movie except giving money.

    The only thing i hope is Sam and Max landing in competant hands　and be treated with all due respect for Purcell s work and talent.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Odd one of Them is suposedly designed by Monkey 3 director Tiller, i have too much to do to refinish monkey 3 to check but what did he really do in CMI ? I am asking because in movies they would tell you "by the producer of xxxxxx" where in fact the producer did nothing for the movie except giving money.

    Bill Tiller did the art in CMI, and I believe he was the art director, as Bad-Brain's site claims. I'd be surprised if he wasn't. And A Vampyre Story is being done by Autumn Moon, Bill Tiller's company, not Bad-Brain--BBE is just publishing it.
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    Think about the name. Bad Brain? Sounds like it was dropped on the head as a child.


    Max, the rabbit-y thing, with his oblong head, looks like he was dropped on the head when he was a young bunny-ling, too. :D

    Like Stewie, from Family Guy. But he was jumping on the bed and hit his head on the ceiling.

    But these are just cartoons, or course. Not real. Hehe... Nope... not at all... :-B
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    What if, WHAT IF, Lucassfarts decides to go ahead and "change thier mind" about this whole thing, now that they have everyone fighting over it? Of course LA's reluctancy to sell has to show you something. Either LA is the greedy, illigitimate child of an Ewok and Jabba the Hutt, or maybe they are trying to hold on to it for something? But wait, dont they lose the rights anyway? Stupid Bad Brain. Might as well call themselves Retarted Game Co.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    In the name of piece I've deleted what i said here because it was just plain stupid.
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited January 2005
    As has been pointed out elsewhere, the engine for Sam & Max 2 was built from bits of LucasArts code (RTX Red Rock, Obi Wan and some other bits and pieces). It's not entirely surprising that LEC don't want to sell this engine, as they may actually get to utilise it in some fashion in the future.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    they cant do anything with the freelance police game material tho cause lucasarts have fired everyone who worked on the game
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited January 2005
    Well, not EVERYONE, but most of the key people. I think the idea was to contract them out anyway.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    i think telltale developing a new sam and max game would be the best option from here.. but could they use the same storyline ideas that were in freelance police or would they get in trouble from lucasarts?
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    I don't think Lucas Arts would be able to do much seeing as the game was never released and that they wouldn't hold the game rights anymore.
  • UdvarnokyUdvarnoky
    edited January 2005
    Actually, LucasArts probably could sue if Telltale tried to make a game with the same or similar story. Released or not, it's still LucasArts property. The only thing LucasArts will be stripped of come May are the actual character names, not game designs (which would include story). Unless maybe Purcell specifically owns the rights to the storyline...which I doubt.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    well if lucasarts wont allow them to use any ideas from FP..maybe for the new game they could go with the storyline..of max getting shot and sam has a monkey as a new partner.. you know like that "new comic" steve purcell never finished
  • artwkingartwking
    edited January 2005
    Hmmm... Max gets shot 3 days before retirement, eh? That's never been done before, right? Maybe we should leave the writing to the professionals. ;)

    Hehe.. but it could work, it sounds like a pretty funny idea, actually. :) As long as Max didn't actually die or nothing.
  • Unknown
    edited January 2005
    Hmmm... Max gets shot 3 days before retirement, eh? That's never been done before, right? Maybe we should leave the writing to the professionals. ;)

    Hehe.. but it could work, it sounds like a pretty funny idea, actually. :) As long as Max didn't actually die or nothing.

    im talking about the "new comic" steve pucell never finished..in the collected sam and max..the last page has a drawing done by steve of sam and his new partner.. obviously the story is already witten in comic form but i think it would translate to the game well.. having to find max at the start of the game, and once finding max finding the culprit i think would work in an adventure game of course a lot of hilarity would be involved :D
  • AlucardAlucard
    edited January 2005
    how about the new partner is the one that did it...
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