Concerns about Snow White
Snow White has begun to become an all-by-the-book kind of person. I really have concerns regarding her character in the finale.
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Snow White has begun to become an all-by-the-book kind of person. I really have concerns regarding her character in the finale.
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So, I am the only one concerned about her?
Probably, as that's how she acts in the comics.
Well, That's sad. I liked here when she wasn't like that.
Personally i believe she is behind it all
I have begun to think so as well, But it's an unlikely scenario. Maybe she fell into the right position in the wrong time and that's why she's becoming all-bitchy. I still like her and trust her, But If you wanna change the way fables see the government, You have to be tolerant, You have to make new rules. Not to stick to the old ones and become a by-the-book kind of leader.
If she remains this way, Bluebeard should run the office, Not her.
He won't be around long enough to.
Does he die in the comics?
Yeah.
I don't like her anymore, power-obsessed cunt. Keep in mind Deputy Mayor is a joke of a position.
"He declared WAR on us last night.." Guess who the fuck's fighting it?
I see. When i said that i wanted him to run the office if Snow kept being all-bitchy, I meant that I want someone open to new policies. Bluebeard seems like he's all about the end justifies the means. So, I could reason with him. The office needs someone who's Jack-like right now.
Well, in the comics Prince Charming kills Bluebeard for his fortune to run for mayor and wins and makes beauty deputy mayor and beast the new sheriff. Prince Charming promises to change a lot of policies, but everything is not as easy as just that.
I wouldn't call her that. After all, I cut off Gren's arm for insulting her. I guess I like her, It's just she's has been making mistakes. This office NEEDS someone who's Jack-like.
Beast? Sheriff? Bad idea. Beauty doesn't have the guts to deal with dirty politics, Neither is Snow.
I know that Bigby is retired in the comics. And I have to ask you something, Is the comics done or it's still ongoing?
Still on going but there is like 7 or so issues left. I am way behind but I know a lot that happens.
And if there was to be a Season 2, Do you think it should take place after the comics, Or after Season 1? I mean does the comics seem to be finalizing the story forever, Or it could be progressed?
I hit him first for doing that, not to mention tearing off his arm. We're seeing what's sort of common with an abusive relationship, where we don't want to give up the connection regardless of how the other person fairs.
Once you understand how that attachment works, you can give it up easily. I'm not her slave, I'm the sheriff.
I agree, there needs to be someone more able to keep things light. Bufkin already does a little bit of that, but it's not enough for the current tension.
That's for sure, And I give Toad Crane's money to prove that. But still, I think this isn't her, She saved Bigby's life once and then she changed. Something is wrong. I wouldn't abandon her until i know for certain that she chose this path herself, Not because of an emotional wound.
She didn't change that dramatically, she just assumed the position of Deputy Mayor and believes she's now Bigby's superior and chief to a T, forcing him to "change his ways." Snow simply isn't ready or meant for that kind of position.
It's not just Bigby, She thinks that everything should be done by the book. I personally felt she's bossing me around in Ep3.
It's not just that she thinks that way, it's that she's trying to enforce it upon Bigby.
Because it's her main policy right now. We can argue about this the whole night. xD
Yes, hers. Listen to some of the dialogue Colin has.
"Bigby gets it done, just let him do it."
"So you're going to give him a leash?"
"Like the bad guys care if shit gets sloppy."
"We need monsters to fight monsters."
Unfortunately, Yes. She's sometimes a bitch, And she doesn't appreciate my efforts. And when she said: "I'm not yours to lose." or in Ep3 when she checked on Holly and didn't check on me. She pisses me off sometimes, But i think she can realize her faults in the future. Maybe I'm wrong.
Nope. This is a prequel to the comics, and she's still a complete cunt in those too.
She was cool before, now I'm going to kill the Crooked Man, half reason being to spite her.
You've completely crushed my hopes, You know that, Right? xD
She's not all by the book, she just recognizes that the present chaos is all because of Crane's sloppy, hypocritical and corrupt politics, and that if she wants things to improve in the long term then she has to start fresh and without favoritism.
The fact that she doesn't grovel to Bigby or act like a shrinking violet anymore doesn't make her a bitch, it makes her your boss, and she isn't required to kiss your ass just to get you to do your job. She's under a lot of pressure from episode 3 and forward, and it sounds more like you're failing to appreciate that than that you actually know anything about her character.
Personally, I was concerned by how timid and passive she was in the beginning. It was pathetic and stereotypical, and very much unlike her. I'm glad she's starting to take proper charge, and I'm happy to help her clean up Fabletown, which means standing up to her when I know she's making a mistake just as much as making it clear that she has my support as Directer and that anyone who wants to mess with her is a dead man.
I don't see a problem in her not making a fuss over Bigby getting shot, she knows he's a tough guy who can handle himself while Holly is a civilian. I also hate that the game forces him to blurt something as entitled and downright melodramatic as "I almost lost you once." It's not an argument, and while it conforms to Bigby's feelings about her it doesn't make sense in the context of where he and Snow stand with each other at that point in their relationship. And worst of all, it's so presumptuous that there's only one possible response aside from a straight "Oh, I love you Bigby", and that's "I'm not yours to lose!" She reacts exactly as any sane woman with a shred of independence would, and it's his own fault for making such a stupid remark in the first place, although he's obviously in something of a daze at that point.
Why are you concerned? Do you think she's going to sell out Bigby or get in his way or something. Snow is a tough nut in the book. We're kind of seeing how she got that way.
She's been through enough damage to crush most people so her having a little armor around herself is understandable.
Well, Me and Bigby have something in common, Short Temper. So, Watch your tone. Besides, None of what you say is actually what i meant.
No. I seriously thought Snow was going to progress into a full badass. Molly-type, if you've played the walking dead. But instead, She never appreciates any of the work you do, She keeps bossing you around, And she doesn't care whether I'm worried about her or not. The only occasion where i felt she worries a bit was when Bigby got beaten by Bloody Mary. Also, Doing things by the book hurts the community in those particular situations. She spoke that people couldn't find help because of that exact same system, So why follow it? Why not change it? The Government needs someone who's like Jack in order to please everyone. In these hard times, You need to get your hands dirty, No other alternatives. Besides, She thinks now that she's the boss. She thinks that no one should disobey her because they think she might have done the wrong call. She's now worse that Ichabod. But i still see that She has too much stress on her and maybe that's the cause. I've been a shitbird to both Toad and Colin, But when it came to actually sending them to the farm, I refused. I only wanted to scare them in order to get the glamor. And I gave Toad Crane's money to do that and to challenge her authority. She needs to learn that she's a good leader and a good politician, But handling things the way she handles them now is wrong. As I said, She may has too much on her mind and it's causing her judgement to be blurry. I don't know.
I'm pretty sure I summarized what you said quite nicely, thank you. If you meant something different then I'd advise you to say that instead next time. Anything in particular you want to defend your argument against? Your short temper is a matter of indifference to me.
Nope, you didn't. You don't even get it. You keep making assumptions, Read my reply to "KCohere". I have got nothing more to say, I don't talk with your kind of debaters.
She already is at least that badass if you know her history. If you don't feel appreciated then that's because you're expecting too much. She has a lot on her plate all of a sudden, as you say, and if you can't respect that then you can hardly expect her to pat you on the head like a lapdog every time you make any progress at all.
People couldn't get help through the system because Ichabod favoritized the wealthy fables and Snow couldn't do anything about it. That's the entire root of the problem. Turning the system itself into a criminal one by putting someone without principles or any sense of responsibility in charge would just end in chaos at best. "Getting your hands dirty" sounds pragmatic, yes, but in actual practice it'd just sow anarchy by ruining her credibility, and now that she's in charge it makes much better sense to just start as you mean to go and treat everyone equally. Pleasing everyone was never an option, and that's not her job in any case.
I see, so you were a proper sheriff intimidating people into following the rules right up until you had to make good on it. Then you chickened out just to be contrary. As the only law-arbiter in town. Brilliant, just brilliant. And again, expecting you to do your job because it's your job and expecting people to follow the rules because they're the rules and it's for the good of the community isn't being a tyrant just because she isn't pussyfooting about it.
I like how you keep condescending without actually stating your case. One might almost think you don't have one.
I have already addressed that I'm not speaking with you. I know your type of talking, I was a debater in a lot of Atheism vs Theism debates and I know how you guys think. If you just stop judging for five minutes, And start analyzing what I say, You'll get it. Every explanation i say is a joke to you, And you don't even consider it seriously and then starting making fun of me. I don't want to get into that conversation because it'll get tense. And I have a good reputation of respecting un-trolling opinions, It's even written in my bio. So, I'm AVOIDING, Not CONDESCENDING.
You mean you don't talk with the "kind of debaters" who put what you say into perspective? No, I can see why not. That can be so embarrassing.
She's not worse than Ichabod, trust me. You saw what he did to her for one thing. For another, Snow has always been running the office, not him. Did you read the letters on his desk? He does no work and that's why Fabletown is such a mess. She acts the boss because she is the boss now and she's struggling to gain the same respect that Crane and their boss before him was getting. She does care for Bigby but she feels like she has to have a tough exterior and she is trying to exact change. That cab ride in ep 1 showed that, but I think solving these murders are her priority now and no other method had worked, so she falls back on the thing she knows best, going by the book. Colin did get on her about that but it will take more to convince her not to try to put restrictions on Bigby. Fabletown doesn't have murders very often so yeah, it's a super stressful situation for everyone. This is how Snow is though. It's not a flaw, it's her character. I think she's a more real character than super badass Molly tbh.
The kind of debaters Who prejudice my opinion. It's another proof that you don't even care to analyze anything I say.