Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.
There was no "complete … moreconcrete idea on who the murdered was" because Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.
(((was so looking forward to a playing a detective out to solve a mystery. That was the first arc of the comics)))
I hate to be that guy … morebut i did not like ending of the first arc of the comics because the scene at the end turned into a scooby doo mystery were Bigby tells us how he solved the mystery
I was waiting for one of the characters to say "And I would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for that dumb wolf" lol
that's how cheesy and ridiculous that scene was to me
How do we know he wouldn't have tried to arrest Georgie? I mean, he only makes the connection at the start of E5.. and obviously things are already hitting the fan at that point.
My Bigby called Georgie out on it, and it turns out he was correct. So no, Bigby did not really need to be told it was Georgie. And even if he actually didn't have a clue what was going on, that has nothing to do with being tricked or not anyway.
If that was enough for Bigby he would try to arrest Georgie. Fact is Bigby didn't know what the hell was going on right till the end when it… more was explained to him by Georgie, Vivian and Nerissa/Faith. xChryst probably wanted this to be a detective where you have to find the killer by placing the evidence and not someone telling you who it really was, most people disagree and think that ep5 was awesome.
Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.
If Bigby is such a… more shit detective as you say. Then he wouldn't be able to piece together those "obvious hints" to figure things out. Now, would he?.
Note:That is if you mean shit as incompetent, which I don;t see any other way you could.
Same goes for you. No personal shots, no sarcastic rebuttals, and no straying from the point. I ask 1 question, you answer. You ask 1 question, I answer. Got it?
But we paid for it. They should have put more passion into it. It feels like the ending was finished quickly, so they can get on with the new projects they have coming up. You can't deny that the standards have slipped since focusing on multiple projects,
Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.
What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed..
Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.
Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.
Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.
There was no "complete … moreconcrete idea on who the murdered was" because Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.
No apology wanted or needed. To be honest, I'm done with forum. The game is finished and my gaming experience has been tainted because of this stupid site. I think the best thing for me is to delete this account and never visit this site again. And when season 2 comes out I'll just remember how much I hated the people and the posts on this site. Gaming is so much better as a personal experience and not having to hear everybody's 2 cents.
Bigby has a 'hot' head and 'big' heart thats probably not the combination best detective possess, i dont know how he fares in comics (since i never read it) but surely he learned alot by all this and hence he does much better in comics.
I liked it.seeing wolf bigby for a minute was good enough for me.crooked man's va did a good job,somehow Georgie's death was pretty sad,and the ending was a plot twist cliffhanger.
What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed.
Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.
Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.
If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.
Nerissa told Bigby about the ribbons the same way she told Bigby to go to that hotel room: through obvious hints.
What does it matte… morer if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed..
Bigby doesn't really even try beyond following what others tell him. Or, actually, Telltale didn't have him do much. There are a bunch of clues that players picks up on, but those aren't necessarily things Bigby picks up on.
Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.
Opinions on both sides are welcome, but please try to behave yourselves and refrain from personal attacks/insults.
If a user likes or dis… morelikes something, please just critique their opinion instead of insulting them personally. Even ignoring how insults are against forum guidelines, discussing why people think something instead of criticizing the person for thinking something results in better discussion anyways.
True, but it's not like they didn't have anything to go on with the Crooked Man. Everyone and their mother knew he was guilty. It was simply hard getting anything 100% provable against him. They still knew for sure that he abducted Crane through violent force, forced slave labor, and that all of his right hand men were murderous twisted scumbags. I mean.. the fact that Bloody Marry is his apparent 2nd in command kind of speaks volumes. They also have four verbal accounts of Fables stating that the Crooked Man did order the execution of the girls, all four of which were his own employees (Vivian, Georgie, Jersey, Nerrisa). He also tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he saw that he wasn't going to be able to talk himself out of an arrest.
So, at the very least, they have the Crooked Man for: Undermining the Fabletown Government, resisting arrest, assault on Fabletown officials, attempted murder (arguably x2), forced slave labor, and abduction of a Fabletown official. Even without being able to pin the murders of Faith and Lilly on him, they had enough to get the guy tossed down the Witching Well.
There was plenty to go on against the Crooked Man. He didn't really get any different treatment than Trusty John did (though John did confess to his own crimes).
These are all after Bigby spent a time gathering evidence.
Bigby got Kay to look at John. John broke down and confessed when questioned.
… more
Bigby had a whole entrapment sting against Crane. A bunch of evidence (bullshit ones, but still) was gathered.
Compare to the clusterfuck in the game.
Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.
It ultimately does not matter if it was obvious or not obvious, so I'm not going to argue the point. He still figured out what he needed to.
I'm not saying it was a great demonstration of Bigby's detective skills at all. Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.
If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.
What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints… more/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed.
Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.
Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.
If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.
Snow read a bunch of charges but when The Crooked Man refutes them, they had nothing to show. It's Bigby and Snow not having their crap together.
Georgie, Vivian and Jersey did not give testimony. Nerissa showed up on her own accord. Everything else is circumstantial/hearsay.
Johann and Greenleaf could have provided testimony on some things, but Snow didn't even use them. Only one that actually got a use out of them in the trial was The Crooked Man.
And despite all the charges Snow read, everyone was acting like the trial hinged on whether or not The Crooked Man killed the 2 women.
True, but it's not like they didn't have anything to go on with the Crooked Man. Everyone and their mother knew he was guilty. It was simply… more hard getting anything 100% provable against him. They still knew for sure that he abducted Crane through violent force, forced slave labor, and that all of his right hand men were murderous twisted scumbags. I mean.. the fact that Bloody Marry is his apparent 2nd in command kind of speaks volumes. They also have four verbal accounts of Fables stating that the Crooked Man did order the execution of the girls, all four of which were his own employees (Vivian, Georgie, Jersey, Nerrisa). He also tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he saw that he wasn't going to be able to talk himself out of an arrest.
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He gave some very stupid excuses for a couple of the lesser charges, but most of his spiel was about how he appealed to the Fables that desperately needed help, and defending against the murder charges. Snow and Bigby didn't even debate the other charges. They easily could have if they wanted to. They both were there when Crane allowed his employees to assault them, and then kidnap Crane. A simple trip down to the Butchery would show the chains that he kept his slaves in, and their blood could have been observed on the floor as well. It was pretty obvious that he ran a crime syndicate, given that all of his most trusted members were proven criminals. Plus he unquestionably tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he realized he wasn't going to talk his way out.
Bigby and Snow didn't even try to argue these charges because they were too busy arguing over the murder charges, and defending their worth/commitment to the community.
p.s. I wasn't saying that Georgie, Vivian, and Jersey gave testimony, only that they had personally talked to Bigby about the Crooked Man ordering the murders.
Snow read a bunch of charges but when The Crooked Man refutes them, they had nothing to show. It's Bigby and Snow not having their crap toge… morether.
Georgie, Vivian and Jersey did not give testimony. Nerissa showed up on her own accord. Everything else is circumstantial/hearsay.
Johann and Greenleaf could have provided testimony on some things, but Snow didn't even use them. Only one that actually got a use out of them in the trial was The Crooked Man.
And despite all the charges Snow read, everyone was acting like the trial hinged on whether or not The Crooked Man killed the 2 women.
Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.
No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to tell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"
Want to elaborate on that?
Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..
Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, s… morehe might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.
It ultimately does not matter if it was obvious or not obvious, so I'm not going to argue the point. He still figured out what he needed to.
I'm not saying it was a great demonstration of Bigby's detective skills at all. Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.
If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.
Want to elaborate on that?
Snow and Bigby aren't trying to prove the Crooked Man's guilt to Snow and Bigby. They have to prove it to ostensibly the jury.
What you call excuses is reasonable doubt, which gets people off in the real world, and seems to also have bearing in Fabletown.
Bigby and Snow might have been able to pull of a conviction with their terrible efforts, but their efforts were still terrible. Bigby and Snow may or may have not been able to present a better case, thing is, they didn't. All signs point to the Crooked Man getting off until Nerissa showed up.
He gave some very stupid excuses for a couple of the lesser charges, but most of his spiel was about how he appealed to the Fables that desp… moreerately needed help, and defending against the murder charges. Snow and Bigby didn't even debate the other charges. They easily could have if they wanted to. They both were there when Crane allowed his employees to assault them, and then kidnap Crane. A simple trip down to the Butchery would show the chains that he kept his slaves in, and their blood could have been observed on the floor as well. It was pretty obvious that he ran a crime syndicate, given that all of his most trusted members were proven criminals. Plus he unquestionably tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he realized he wasn't going to talk his way out.
Bigby and Snow didn't even try to argue these charges because they were too busy arguing over the murder charges, and defending their worth/commitment to the community.
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No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to tell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"
Uhhh no. Bigby was the one who brought up the ribbons first, not Nerrisa. He made the connection even before Nerrissa asked him if he liked her ribbon or not.
Also, it is entirely up to the player to try and remove the ribbon or not, so insulting Bigby's intelligence in the instance that he tries to remove the ribbon isn't fair at all.
I don't understand why you think Bigby needs to be coming up with all of the answers by himself. That isn't realistic or really possible at all.
Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..
Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.
No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to te… morell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"
Want to elaborate on that?
Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..
Snow and Bigby aren't trying to prove the Crooked Man's guilt to Snow and Bigby.
I never said or implied otherwise.
They have to prove it to ostensibly the jury. What you call excuses is reasonable doubt, which gets people off in the real world, and seems to also have bearing in Fabletown.
If that were actually true, we wouldn't have the instances that we did with Trusty John and Crane in the comics. In both instances, the leadership basically did whatever they wanted to. They had all the proof that they needed in order to know that both individuals were a threat to the Fabletown community.
Snow and Bigby aren't trying to prove the Crooked Man's guilt to Snow and Bigby. They have to prove it to ostensibly the jury.
What you c… moreall excuses is reasonable doubt, which gets people off in the real world, and seems to also have bearing in Fabletown.
Bigby and Snow might have been able to pull of a conviction with their terrible efforts, but their efforts were still terrible. Bigby and Snow may or may have not been able to present a better case, thing is, they didn't. All signs point to the Crooked Man getting off until Nerissa showed up.
Just opening my mouth and catching some inevitable dislikes in my face...
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It was an absolute letdown.
It had so much potential, but they decided to take the lazy way out.
Maybe I read too much detective novels and play too much Ace Attorney, but when it comes to the murder mystery part of the game, this game SUCKED past episode 2. And episode 2 in itself was not exactly impressive.
People wanted to help by telling things but Bigby had to figure some things by himself too and we had 4 what place to investigate first choises.
Game left a cliffhanger ending so people can wonder and maybe solve the whole thing in their minds, so why don't you try it, you wanted this to be a detective game so now YOU can play a detective.
I'd love to see actual interrogation/cross examination. Tight lipped suspects getting caught in lies by the smart detective. The game instead just has people offering Bigby information.
No apology wanted or needed. To be honest, I'm done with forum. The game is finished and my gaming experience has been tainted because of th… moreis stupid site. I think the best thing for me is to delete this account and never visit this site again. And when season 2 comes out I'll just remember how much I hated the people and the posts on this site. Gaming is so much better as a personal experience and not having to hear everybody's 2 cents.
I sort of like that they only held your hand in those two scenes and then let the players connect the dots between the major evidence and suspects by themselves, instead of letting Bigby do all the heavy lifting through dialogue alone. I also never felt like he needed anything obvious spelled out for him. He does ask for a lot of clarifications, which is mostly what real-life detective work is about too, except for scientific analysis which there wouldn't be time for and wouldn't be particularly accurate anyway given that the game is set in the 80s.
And the reason Bigby doesn't have any evidence at the trial is that it's an ad-hoc trial organized on the spot, giving him no time to methodically prepare his case or properly question any of the ample witnesses or search any of the locations in episode 5. Specifically, knowing that the spell was broken, there's no reason for Bigby not to have been able to call Narissa or any of those other six girls in for questioning to get the full story so he could present a convincing and possibly damning case, which is usually the best you can hope for.
If not for Snow's absolutely moronic decision to hold the trial the minute the Crooked Man was in custody, there would have been no need for Narissa to come running with a deus ex machina.
Snow and Bigby aren't trying to prove the Crooked Man's guilt to Snow and Bigby.
I never said or implied otherwise.
They have … moreto prove it to ostensibly the jury. What you call excuses is reasonable doubt, which gets people off in the real world, and seems to also have bearing in Fabletown.
If that were actually true, we wouldn't have the instances that we did with Trusty John and Crane in the comics. In both instances, the leadership basically did whatever they wanted to. They had all the proof that they needed in order to know that both individuals were a threat to the Fabletown community.
Thanks for the posts disagreeing with me while not calling me names. That's most of you and you are cool with me.
Thanks also for the posts agreeing with me. It's nice to get a few when a dozen people are calling bullshit on you.
I spent too much time already on I thing I don't actually want to play anymore, at least any time in the near future. So long you very flawed gem of a game.
Maybe I'll see you guys on the Walking Dead side (hide your kids).
You're missing the point. I'm not even talking about reasonable doubt. I'm simply saying that the leadership of Fabletown basically does whatever they want to if they know someone is threatening their community or way of life. That's why Crane didn't even get a trial; Bigby just decided it would be better off to get rid of him. That's why Trusty John didn't really get a complete trial. He simply got tossed down the witching well out of sight and out of mind behind closed doors.
I think Snow really wanted to make sure that everyone who knew about case walked away satisfied with the result, to make sure the public felt good about the decision making of the leadership. It really wasn't entirely necessary though.
Crane was murdered by Bigby. How does reasonable doubt apply? It wasn't a trial.
John confessed. If he pleaded not guilty, that's when reasonable doubt could come in.
Crane was murdered by Bigby. How does reasonable doubt apply? It wasn't a trial.
John confessed. If he pleaded not guilty, that's when reasonable doubt could come in.
And just to add, here is how Fabletown justice is described:
"When a criminal is captured in Fabletown, the traditional procedure is to hold a formal hearing in front of the community or concerned parties. However, exceptions are often made to expedite the process. In reality, there are not any hard-and-fast rules for these types of situations, and the extent to which policies are upheld can depend on who is being charged".
Crane was murdered by Bigby. How does reasonable doubt apply? It wasn't a trial.
John confessed. If he pleaded not guilty, that's when reasonable doubt could come in.
And just to add, here is how Fabletown justice is described:
"When a criminal is captured in Fabletown, the traditional procedure is to h… moreold a formal hearing in front of the community or concerned parties. However, exceptions are often made to expedite the process. In reality, there are not any hard-and-fast rules for these types of situations, and the extent to which policies are upheld can depend on who is being charged".
To anyone that finds the conclusion dissatisfying, play through all the episodes when you have a free day, and literally make your own notes and investigation along side bigby, it not only makes the game more immersive, you can also link up most of the plot. I can't believe the connections I missed because of the gaps between the releases. I forgot loads. For me it came to a satisfying conclusion and I can't wait to see if I've connected the dots correctly
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If Bigby is such a shit detective as you say. Then he wouldn't be able to piece together those "obvious hints" to figure things out. Now, would he?.
Note:That is if you mean shit as incompetent, which I don;t see any other way you could.
Hah. I can see that.
Bigby was indulging and basking in his big moment. Nevermind that stringing Snow along, a grieving sibling, was a shitty thing to do!
How do we know he wouldn't have tried to arrest Georgie? I mean, he only makes the connection at the start of E5.. and obviously things are already hitting the fan at that point.
My Bigby called Georgie out on it, and it turns out he was correct. So no, Bigby did not really need to be told it was Georgie. And even if he actually didn't have a clue what was going on, that has nothing to do with being tricked or not anyway.
I didn't mean he's an utter mental patient.
Actually, I'd rather not now.
Sorry.
But we paid for it. They should have put more passion into it. It feels like the ending was finished quickly, so they can get on with the new projects they have coming up. You can't deny that the standards have slipped since focusing on multiple projects,
What does it matter if there were hints or not? Bigby put two and two together and figured it out. That's still him putting the pieces/hints/evidence together on his own. That's all the detective work that was needed..
Not sure why you're acting like he was simply getting told what to do and where to go. It was always a group effort, and he was always part of it. All of the steps that he took were logical.
No apology wanted or needed. To be honest, I'm done with forum. The game is finished and my gaming experience has been tainted because of this stupid site. I think the best thing for me is to delete this account and never visit this site again. And when season 2 comes out I'll just remember how much I hated the people and the posts on this site. Gaming is so much better as a personal experience and not having to hear everybody's 2 cents.
Hot headed detective reminds me of Chris Meloni from Law and Order Svu.
I liked it.seeing wolf bigby for a minute was good enough for me.crooked man's va did a good job,somehow Georgie's death was pretty sad,and the ending was a plot twist cliffhanger.
Because again, Bigby needed it spelled out for him. He didn't even consider the ribbons until Nerissa had to draw so much attention to it, she might as well have been using neon signs. This is not a demonstration of Bigby's detective skills.
If it's a group effort, Bigby's the muscle, not the brains. That's what I've been on about all this time.
now i know why your pic is crowd control
True, but it's not like they didn't have anything to go on with the Crooked Man. Everyone and their mother knew he was guilty. It was simply hard getting anything 100% provable against him. They still knew for sure that he abducted Crane through violent force, forced slave labor, and that all of his right hand men were murderous twisted scumbags. I mean.. the fact that Bloody Marry is his apparent 2nd in command kind of speaks volumes. They also have four verbal accounts of Fables stating that the Crooked Man did order the execution of the girls, all four of which were his own employees (Vivian, Georgie, Jersey, Nerrisa). He also tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he saw that he wasn't going to be able to talk himself out of an arrest.
So, at the very least, they have the Crooked Man for: Undermining the Fabletown Government, resisting arrest, assault on Fabletown officials, attempted murder (arguably x2), forced slave labor, and abduction of a Fabletown official. Even without being able to pin the murders of Faith and Lilly on him, they had enough to get the guy tossed down the Witching Well.
There was plenty to go on against the Crooked Man. He didn't really get any different treatment than Trusty John did (though John did confess to his own crimes).
It ultimately does not matter if it was obvious or not obvious, so I'm not going to argue the point. He still figured out what he needed to.
I'm not saying it was a great demonstration of Bigby's detective skills at all. Simply stating that he didn't need someone to figure the ribbons out for him.
Want to elaborate on that?
Snow read a bunch of charges but when The Crooked Man refutes them, they had nothing to show. It's Bigby and Snow not having their crap together.
Georgie, Vivian and Jersey did not give testimony. Nerissa showed up on her own accord. Everything else is circumstantial/hearsay.
Johann and Greenleaf could have provided testimony on some things, but Snow didn't even use them. Only one that actually got a use out of them in the trial was The Crooked Man.
And despite all the charges Snow read, everyone was acting like the trial hinged on whether or not The Crooked Man killed the 2 women.
He gave some very stupid excuses for a couple of the lesser charges, but most of his spiel was about how he appealed to the Fables that desperately needed help, and defending against the murder charges. Snow and Bigby didn't even debate the other charges. They easily could have if they wanted to. They both were there when Crane allowed his employees to assault them, and then kidnap Crane. A simple trip down to the Butchery would show the chains that he kept his slaves in, and their blood could have been observed on the floor as well. It was pretty obvious that he ran a crime syndicate, given that all of his most trusted members were proven criminals. Plus he unquestionably tried to have Bigby killed back at his lair when he realized he wasn't going to talk his way out.
Bigby and Snow didn't even try to argue these charges because they were too busy arguing over the murder charges, and defending their worth/commitment to the community.
p.s. I wasn't saying that Georgie, Vivian, and Jersey gave testimony, only that they had personally talked to Bigby about the Crooked Man ordering the murders.
No, just someone to pretty much go to his office to tell him "Hey, now that it finally got through to you that we are under magical compulsion, do you like my ribbon Bigby? Huh? Do you?! Look at my goddamn ribbon! No, don't try to remove it! We'd have already done it if it was that simple!"
Almost all my posts in the thread have been an elaboration on this. Bigby's major contribution to the case was being an intimidating ass kicker, rather being a brilliant detective..
Snow and Bigby aren't trying to prove the Crooked Man's guilt to Snow and Bigby. They have to prove it to ostensibly the jury.
What you call excuses is reasonable doubt, which gets people off in the real world, and seems to also have bearing in Fabletown.
Bigby and Snow might have been able to pull of a conviction with their terrible efforts, but their efforts were still terrible. Bigby and Snow may or may have not been able to present a better case, thing is, they didn't. All signs point to the Crooked Man getting off until Nerissa showed up.
Uhhh no. Bigby was the one who brought up the ribbons first, not Nerrisa. He made the connection even before Nerrissa asked him if he liked her ribbon or not.
Also, it is entirely up to the player to try and remove the ribbon or not, so insulting Bigby's intelligence in the instance that he tries to remove the ribbon isn't fair at all.
I don't understand why you think Bigby needs to be coming up with all of the answers by himself. That isn't realistic or really possible at all.
But you haven't given any examples.
I never said or implied otherwise.
If that were actually true, we wouldn't have the instances that we did with Trusty John and Crane in the comics. In both instances, the leadership basically did whatever they wanted to. They had all the proof that they needed in order to know that both individuals were a threat to the Fabletown community.
Blind fanboys are gonna downvote you to death, but I wholeheartedly agree with you.
They changed the plot and certain episodes because they wanted to make a season 2 obviously...
The episode was quality but not much of a quantity
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Just opening my mouth and catching some inevitable dislikes in my face...
I agree with you wholeheartedly. It was an absolute letdown.
It had so much potential, but they decided to take the lazy way out.
Maybe I read too much detective novels and play too much Ace Attorney, but when it comes to the murder mystery part of the game, this game SUCKED past episode 2. And episode 2 in itself was not exactly impressive.
Did you really expect this to be a detective game like La.noire?
There is detective stuff in it but it isn't a detective game.
Same thing with the walking dead; we play as a survivals but it isn't a survival game.
I don't know why you expected the wolf among us to be a detective game, but it sure is a stupid reason to dislike it.
Woodsman and dee?
People wanted to help by telling things but Bigby had to figure some things by himself too and we had 4 what place to investigate first choises.
Game left a cliffhanger ending so people can wonder and maybe solve the whole thing in their minds, so why don't you try it, you wanted this to be a detective game so now YOU can play a detective.
All you find whenever you go on forums, no matter the game, is complaining. I think it's best to say away from them in general.
Not that I'm good at following my own advice though.
I sort of like that they only held your hand in those two scenes and then let the players connect the dots between the major evidence and suspects by themselves, instead of letting Bigby do all the heavy lifting through dialogue alone. I also never felt like he needed anything obvious spelled out for him. He does ask for a lot of clarifications, which is mostly what real-life detective work is about too, except for scientific analysis which there wouldn't be time for and wouldn't be particularly accurate anyway given that the game is set in the 80s.
And the reason Bigby doesn't have any evidence at the trial is that it's an ad-hoc trial organized on the spot, giving him no time to methodically prepare his case or properly question any of the ample witnesses or search any of the locations in episode 5. Specifically, knowing that the spell was broken, there's no reason for Bigby not to have been able to call Narissa or any of those other six girls in for questioning to get the full story so he could present a convincing and possibly damning case, which is usually the best you can hope for.
If not for Snow's absolutely moronic decision to hold the trial the minute the Crooked Man was in custody, there would have been no need for Narissa to come running with a deus ex machina.
Crane was murdered by Bigby. How does reasonable doubt apply? It wasn't a trial.
John confessed. If he pleaded not guilty, that's when reasonable doubt could come in.
Thanks for the posts disagreeing with me while not calling me names. That's most of you and you are cool with me.
Thanks also for the posts agreeing with me. It's nice to get a few when a dozen people are calling bullshit on you.
I spent too much time already on I thing I don't actually want to play anymore, at least any time in the near future. So long you very flawed gem of a game.
Maybe I'll see you guys on the Walking Dead side (hide your kids).
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You're missing the point. I'm not even talking about reasonable doubt. I'm simply saying that the leadership of Fabletown basically does whatever they want to if they know someone is threatening their community or way of life. That's why Crane didn't even get a trial; Bigby just decided it would be better off to get rid of him. That's why Trusty John didn't really get a complete trial. He simply got tossed down the witching well out of sight and out of mind behind closed doors.
I think Snow really wanted to make sure that everyone who knew about case walked away satisfied with the result, to make sure the public felt good about the decision making of the leadership. It really wasn't entirely necessary though.
crane is alive...
He gets killed off in the comics.
And just to add, here is how Fabletown justice is described:
"When a criminal is captured in Fabletown, the traditional procedure is to hold a formal hearing in front of the community or concerned parties. However, exceptions are often made to expedite the process. In reality, there are not any hard-and-fast rules for these types of situations, and the extent to which policies are upheld can depend on who is being charged".
i meant in the game...
Yes.. and Chryst was talking about the comics.. no one said anything about Crane in the game.
sorry missed the 'comic' spoiler tab :P
To anyone that finds the conclusion dissatisfying, play through all the episodes when you have a free day, and literally make your own notes and investigation along side bigby, it not only makes the game more immersive, you can also link up most of the plot. I can't believe the connections I missed because of the gaps between the releases. I forgot loads. For me it came to a satisfying conclusion and I can't wait to see if I've connected the dots correctly