Am I only one who thinks that Guybrush and Elaine shouldn't be married?
I liked the awkward sexual tension between the two in the first two games.
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Sorry for the tone. I'm just getting so tired of the fan Dis Continuity.
And Guybrush, we know that Ron agreed with you at some point. We do not know whether he does now or not. And in the end, he left. He chose to leave LA, leaving the franchise. So while his opinion is interesting, when it comes to canon it doesn't matter.
And in Tales the couple is clearly married. So regardless of what anyone wants, they are married.
So was Spider-man...
They could always divorce and she could marry LeChuck instead, but somehow I've got a feeling that it would anger even more people.
I liked their relationship in the first two game, but then apparently their relationship developed to more serious. That can happen even in the RL, so be careful that it won't happen to you.
...Never mind.
Character growth? Are you a literature professor?
Haha, yeah. When was the last time you called your sister "plunderbunny"?
But of course, LeChuck's undying (heh, I made pun) love to Elaine is still a big plus for evil plots.
Oh, I'm well aware, but that has a lot more to do with how it was done (magic deux es machina) more than anything else.
I was just giving an example of no matter how set in stone something is, it doesn't mean it can't change due to some decision made by the higher-ups.
Character growth is a Good Thing™, and I'm all for it, as some here have no doubt noticed. To have them left nigh on forever as two people who fancy each other without building on that at all would be poor story-telling.
After all, I can't hate the stagnant reverse-Guybrush of CMI and support another form of character stagnancy, if I'm anything it's consistent.
They might even end up with a kid, and that'd be hilarious. Here's a fun question; what would someone named Guybrush Threepwood call his kid?
MI1: Plunderbunny!
MI2: I don't like yous no more!
MI3: YES!
MI4: 3 month honeymoon :-o
That's a tad fast don't you think? Personally, I thought it added to the mood of the game when Elaine dumped him and they met and it was really awkward. I thought they should have only got together properly over time. When Elaine met Guybrush hanging by a thread, it was the cliche which showed they would eventually get together, but it was so A-B and 2d it was disappointing. I liked strife, and I don't think married strife is really the same. In a world where marriage is increasingly worthless (sings along to Meatloaf #is nothing sacred anymooooore?!) and society is plagued by single-parent families, strife amongst a married couple is going to completely put people of Monkey Island because it's one of the best tools for escapism there is. It's beauty was weighing realisticness, dark surreality and comedy all in one in the first two games.
If anything, the direction of MI is becoming sterile and soulless, I can't imagine any game developer introducing more twists in Guybrush/Elaine's relationship unless it's the pitter-patter of irritating munchkin feet (you can tell i'm no the paternal type, eh? :P).
Oh P.S.
BOB :-)
Dexter's dad?
Its low, but I thought the idea of Henry Morgan facepalming was worth it. (hand courtesy of Patrick Stewart)
Drawing these things out too long is just a massive "screw you" to your audience. Don't worry about it, my own comment was the kind of joke that almost warrants a face palm. (Personally I think it deserves a groan, at worst, but until the "facepalm" thing gets old I imagine that's what all bad jokes/silly comments will get).
Funnily enough, i've had this conversation with tonnes of uni-scriptwriters and I don't think a single one believes that Nialls and Daphne getting together was a good thing at all. The relationship was, just as in MI, a key part of both characters' plotpoints. The idea behind Frasier was to be a comedy, not a full-blown drama (just as in MI), but even so the story had to evolve. Despite this, I don't think marrying two characters off is ever the way to go. There's no way for their relationship with one another to be properly funny anymore and kinda merges them into one package. It also semi-destroyed Nialls' Maris gag which meant that the writers had to come up with tonnes of new avenues for jokes while closing off all of these with one simple plot-point. And i'm not sure all fans of the series would agree with you that they did.
Guybrush messing up, getting Elaine is trouble, having to fix it - thats a forumla Im happy with, married or not. (and that is what seems to be the basis for Tales!)
And people who have been in real long term relationships know that you have to win the love of your partner even after you've secured a commitment (that goes for both parties, girls). I completely agree. I really hate the idea that story tellers of any media are under constant pressure to stick to the original settings, atmosphere and even the same situations of the original part of the story.
I find the notion that producers and authors can't take the chances they want to take in order to keep the story interesting, not just to themselves, absolutely ridiculous. Just because they risk people screaming "DON'T CHANGE THE FORMULA!" Is no reason to avoid taking risks. Do you really think that's true? Because I had to say there was a lot about their relationship I found very funny in MI4. The line where Guybrush anticipating what Elaine wanted him to do (to solve their Governor election problem) was "more back rubs and foot massages", which caused Elaine to hesitate to consider this. Not exactly comedy gold but funny, nonetheless. We still on Frasier? Those jokes would have eventually become stale for most people. They certainly did for me; I'd stopped laughing long before they decided to divorce Niles. Agree with me that they did what? I never said they closed off all the plot points. Real life 'plot points' don't always get closed off anyway, it might annoy me that there are loose threads in shows, books and games (etc) but if you let them all get to you then life would soon lose all of its joy.
I don't think the script has to change dramatically just because we're nine years older. Some of the best things are the constants which we come back to and get nostalgia over. Sure the old games are good for that, and the script has to evolve over time, but when we ignore the years and look at 4 games, that's not a huge amount of time to keep a continuity; I was semi talking about Frasier with that bit though.
lol, I agree there. But the problem is that we've had one game where he wins the girl, one where he's boobed and has to re-win the girl, one where he gets married to her, and one where they're in a honeymoon period. But what if we have 5 more games? That'll be a lot of "he boobs and has to re-win the wife" to the point of being more repetitive than having their relationship teeter on the brink of marriage and occasionally go back to square one.
No, and I didn't mean that the writers are scared of upsetting crazed people who just want to watch series 1 (or whatever format of entertainment) on repeat 15 hours a day. The problem is, that ideas only come over time, and when you get rid of a standard, (which is more applicable for the marriage thing in Frasier than in MI, because MI always had more to its plot than that) you have to replace it with an equal amount of plot-points. This can be a great strain unless you're well prepared to take on the burden and are completely confident you have good enough replacement characters coming through to shift some of the emphasis to. I can't really see MI managing to shift an emphasis to other characters, because it's about the LeChuck/Elaine/Guybrush triangle, so marrying two of the three is a big step.
Very true, i'm not against marriage between Elaine and Guybrush later in a series, but for all the writers knew, in MI3, the series could have been in its infancy, and there was plenty to etch out of the Guybrush-Elaine dynamic, before marrying them.
Come up with something interesting enough to replace the Nialls/Daphne thing. As you stopped watching afterwards, I guess my presumption that you thought the attraction-dynamic was replaced well may not ring true.
She is certainly a cool character and is though enough to handle being married to Guybrush.
Let's just live with the fact, ok.
PLEASE, under no circumstances have them divorce!
A) She is though and a good match for him.
C) It's WAY too clichee!!!
I also think it would be really hard to make them parents successfully.
Although, I think to compromise in my mind, I've always imagined a bit of dysfunction in their relationship. Come on, ho else gets a big grin every time Elaine punches him?
LeChuck