first off the whole penis= a man or Vagina= a women is cissexist and transphobic.
A man can understand sexualizing to a woman to an exten… moret, but he can never truly knows what it feels like.
Think of it this way, a straight person will never truly understand homophobia because they are lgbtq+, they don't know what it's like to have people saying they can fix you, your change your mind, etc, etc.
Clearly you don't have any idea of what body shaming or sexualizing is. Any person who ever experienced such things first hand would have a … moregood laugh reading your futil arguments. Maybe you find it difficult to separate fiction from reality, but let me tell you that, if you really are so interested in the subject of sexual discrimination, there are way less silly battles to engage in the real world, and you might actually do something helpful instead of uselessy whine.
believe or not theirs more to gender then just man and women.
And what's wrong with the second line? A man can understand all the things a women goes through? He can't get the whe picture of something that doesn't affect him.
first off the whole penis= a man or Vagina= a women is cissexist and transphobic.
The fact that you said HazzaTheMan wouldn't understand what sexualizing is because he was a man, could also be found as sexism on your part. We can go all day claiming things.
first off the whole penis= a man or Vagina= a women is cissexist and transphobic.
A man can understand sexualizing to a woman to an exten… moret, but he can never truly knows what it feels like.
Think of it this way, a straight person will never truly understand homophobia because they are lgbtq+, they don't know what it's like to have people saying they can fix you, your change your mind, etc, etc.
Ah yes, because men totally know more about sexualizing women then women.
Seriously, though if you aren't a part of a certain group you can never truly understand what it's like. It would be like a straight person trying to tell an lgbt person what's homophobic and what's not. Doesn't that sound fucked up to you?
first off the whole penis= a man or Vagina= a women is cissexist and transphobic.
The fact that you said HazzaTheMan wouldn't unders… moretand what sexualizing is because he was a man, could also be found as sexism on your part. We can go all day claiming things.
Ah yes, because men totally know more about sexualizing women then women.
Seriously, though if you aren't a part of a certain group you c… morean never truly understand what it's like. It would be like a straight person trying to tell an lgbt person what's homophobic and what's not. Doesn't that sound fucked up to you?
because men totally know more about sexualizing women then women.
though if you aren't a part of a certain group you can never truly understand what it's like
You literally just contradicted yourself.
(Are you comparing games about rape to Bloody Mary's look in the comics?)
1) A game about raping is obviously immoral, that's the purpose. It's not hurtful TO WOMEN, it's just wrong. I can't understand why you find it so offensive towards you personally just because you're a woman. There's literally any kind of videogames which include even more crude violence.
2) Don't you think a young child will become obsessed with his phisique after watching a superhero movie? I don't. At all. Igrew up watching cartoons whose characters were unbelievably pretty and idealized, but that didn't affect me at alla, because I knew they were just cartoons and I sincerely couldn't care less if the characters were prettier than me. Anyway, if a child does start to get obsessed, it's their parents' duty to supervise them and help them.
3) It's futil to get mad because of how Bloody Mary is drew in the comics
4) World is cruel, get over it. It doesn't matter your body size, you will be criticized anyway for a reason or another. Don't think attractive people have it easier. At the end of the day, it's only important to learn how to be self-ironic.
(Oh shit, it sounds like terribile pop music lyrics)
So you don't think a game where you rape women is hurtful?
You don't think a young child seeing herself in a fictional character with a p… morelus size body like hers isn't good?
Extract my what makes my last post so futile?
Last time I checked rape is a terrible and fat characters who aren't played off as the butt end of fatphobic jokes are important.
Yes, it was sarcasm telling me that men aren't able to understand something more than women can. Yet (I'm assuming you're female) you're able to tell me how things go for men, when you aren't even one? I'm afraid your argument isn't very well thought out.
I'm not saying women are smarter then men, I'm saying that a person like a man wouldn't truly know something that EFFECTS women as much as a a women would.
Examples,
A straight person wouldn't know more then an lgbtq person about gender and sexuality because homophobia doesn't affect straight people.
Yes, it was sarcasm telling me that men aren't able to understand something more than women can. Yet (I'm assuming you're female) you're abl… moree to tell me how things go for men, when you aren't even one? I'm afraid your argument isn't very well thought out.
man wouldn't truly know something that EFFECTS women as much as a a women would.
The problem with this is that it doesn't affect anyone! Seriously, Mary having a bigger boob size in the comics than she did in the game doesn't affect anyone or anything, I'm sorry but it just doesn't. And they aren't even oversexualizing her, oversexualizing would be making it so the only thing you'd be able to focus on are her boobs, and being a straight man I can tell you the first thing that comes to my mind when looking at that cover, is NOT her boobs.
Okay, you clearly aren't getting what I'm saying.
I'm not saying women are smarter then men, I'm saying that a person like a man wouldn't… more truly know something that EFFECTS women as much as a a women would.
Examples,
A straight person wouldn't know more then an lgbtq person about gender and sexuality because homophobia doesn't affect straight people.
1) A game about raping WOMEN isn't hurtful to women? Hmmm that makes no sense. And no, I wasn't comparing Bloody Mary sexualized look in the comics to rape, that was just to show (mainly you) sexism and objectified to women exist, we have everything t get mad if this is the kind of games companies give us.
2) Some children (And adults) use fictional characters as a way as coping. Rep really matters to some people, I felt like crying when it was revealed Ellie from the last of us was a lesbian because I do rarely see that in media, it was so important for me to see myself in a character, and relate to her, to be reminded I was real and my sexuality wasn't there just to amuse men. Do you know are many people were hyped when they found out Dorian Pavus, Sera, and Krem from dragon age were gay, lesbian, and a Trans man? Do you know how they and myself felt we we saw ourself in a game? You most likely never knew how that little girl felt, you never knew if she had to deal with fatphobic comments about her body and how she felt about her body image, She saw herself in Rose Quartz (A beautiful plus size cartoon character who is never EVER the butt end of fat jokes, and is very much loved, strong, and smart) and that made her feel good about herself! And you to fucking dimiss that is just so fucking gross and sickeningly! Rep really fucking matters!
(Are you comparing games about rape to Bloody Mary's look in the comics?)
1) A game about raping is obviously immoral, that's the purpose… more. It's not hurtful TO WOMEN, it's just wrong. I can't understand why you find it so offensive towards you personally just because you're a woman. There's literally any kind of videogames which include even more crude violence.
2) Don't you think a young child will become obsessed with his phisique after watching a superhero movie? I don't. At all. Igrew up watching cartoons whose characters were unbelievably pretty and idealized, but that didn't affect me at alla, because I knew they were just cartoons and I sincerely couldn't care less if the characters were prettier than me. Anyway, if a child does start to get obsessed, it's their parents' duty to supervise them and help them.
3) It's futil to get mad because of how Bloody Mary is drew in the comics
4) World is cruel, get over it. It doesn't m… [view original content]
I meant that it isn't disrespectful to women in particular, it's immoral and offensive in general. I never said raping was something to undervalue, I said that it's useless to complain about it in video games.
When did I talk about gay or lesbians? I thought we were talking about phisiques.
As I said, children and even adults go through any kind of critism and scorn, it's soething common that you eventually learn how to deal with.
1) A game about raping WOMEN isn't hurtful to women? Hmmm that makes no sense. And no, I wasn't comparing Bloody Mary sexualized look in the… more comics to rape, that was just to show (mainly you) sexism and objectified to women exist, we have everything t get mad if this is the kind of games companies give us.
2) Some children (And adults) use fictional characters as a way as coping. Rep really matters to some people, I felt like crying when it was revealed Ellie from the last of us was a lesbian because I do rarely see that in media, it was so important for me to see myself in a character, and relate to her, to be reminded I was real and my sexuality wasn't there just to amuse men. Do you know are many people were hyped when they found out Dorian Pavus, Sera, and Krem from dragon age were gay, lesbian, and a Trans man? Do you know how they and myself felt we we saw ourself in a game? You most likely never knew how that little girl felt, you … [view original content]
A game where you play as a man and rape women is disrespectful to women, it feeds into the toxic idea women are only there is pleasure men, that sex without consent is okay.
I brought up lgbt stuff because rep is important, whenever it's body, sexuality, or gender, it's important we see ourselves in games, comics, etc. you clearly don't get our how rep is important.
There's a fine line between Critism and body shaming, etc. The fact we should have a "get over it" personality instead of addressing the problem is only going to make it worst.
I meant that it isn't disrespectful to women in particular, it's immoral and offensive in general. I never said raping was something to unde… morervalue, I said that it's useless to complain about it in video games.
When did I talk about gay or lesbians? I thought we were talking about phisiques.
As I said, children and even adults go through any kind of critism and scorn, it's soething common that you eventually learn how to deal with.
She doesn't have to do anything? Just because a women has big breasts doesn't mean they're oversexualizing her... there are women with big breasts in real life too.
And it's not just the muscles. Every super hero comic makes the men so handsome and overall attractive, even when it doesn't make sense.
They make men who fight very muscular, yes. Doesn't men who fight being muscular make total sense?
That's not really the same as sexualis… moreation; men run around with way more clothes on that women, and theyy have more muscles because they're meant to be strong.
I don't see what Mary could have done to gain rounder and more prominent breasts.
I never thought I'll live to see a day where people are seriously fighting over fictional character's sexualization when it has no impact whatsoever. What the fuck.
I never thought I'll live to see a day where people are seriously fighting over fictional character's sexualization when it has no impact whatsoever. What the fuck.
Sure, i don't like that she's being sexualized in a comic book cover, but is it worth getting that worked up about it? I don't really consider that ''fanservice'', the artist probably just wanted to make a nice looking cover and forgot that she doesn't have that sort of physique.
One of the reasons I adore Bloody Mary was that she was a kickass female villain who wasn't sexualized, didn't use flirting as a way to do her job, wasn't clad in some leather bondage bikini getup. I loved how cruel and ruthless she was just for the sake of it. Sadly the comic let me down, Bloody Mary is meant to be a terrifying, cruel, ruthless, lanky and small chested killer.
I'm sure she's still all that. And she's not going to be any less awesome because of some cover art that sexualized her a bit.
A social justice warrior that ends up revealing herself to be more sexist than anyone else involved? Sounds about right....
Also comic characters (whatever gender) for the most part look appealing, never read fables of course but its often the case
Finally I've never understood whats wrong with characters being sexualised? There's nothing wrong with sexually attractive characters, unless they alter the characters entire personality I dont see any reason for any complaints
man wouldn't truly know something that EFFECTS women as much as a a women would.
The problem with this is that it doesn't affect any… moreone! Seriously, Mary having a bigger boob size in the comics than she did in the game doesn't affect anyone or anything, I'm sorry but it just doesn't. And they aren't even oversexualizing her, oversexualizing would be making it so the only thing you'd be able to focus on are her boobs, and being a straight man I can tell you the first thing that comes to my mind when looking at that cover, is NOT her boobs.
Im mystified as to what any of this has to do with this comic, which has vey little sex in it period. The only people we see showing their bodies are Nerissa the stripper, Bigby with his shirt off and Mary changing clothes. That hardly equates to a rape simulator.
Okay, first off the majority of you clearly have no idea what body shaming, sexualizing is, or how important body diversity is. And the fact… more you guys are defending sexualization gross...
Few links to explain why body diversity matter
(Not my blog )
http://demisexualbethanyhawke.tumblr.com/post/116147819379/why-rose-quartz-is-important
( Rape is talked about on here, and yes, their really is a game that's a rape simulator)
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/RapeLay
Granted since I am on my iPod I cannot link videos but I would suggest looking up Laci Green and her videos "Bikini body", on her channel called "mtv braless"
I think I once said this in a Life is Strange thread , but gonna say it again : There are people who actually look at a woman's body in a video game/movie/tv series in order to find sexism , just as there are people who literally count the number of women/people from different ethnic groups for the sole reason of bashing that game/movie/etc . I find these kind of people way more racist/sexist than others !
As an example , I remember when a female character died in Hannibal(the TV series) and a lot of people just went crazy over it ! I mean c'mon , do they actually believe the writers were all like "You know what we should do ?! KILL A WOMAN MUHAHAHAHA" . Apparently in their world it's only men who die
I sincerely believe the whole equality thing , is way simpler(and ofc more beautiful) than what these people make it look like . Don't judge people/look down on them in any way based on their gender/skin color/nationality/sexual orientation/etc . Is it srsly that hard ?!
I'm a woman, and I'm so damn tired of all those women who see discriminantion and sexual objectification everywhere. Do you really feel he n… moreeed of arguing on some comic book charactets' breast size? Are you really so insecure you can't accept that a fictional character is drew as a idealized beauty? And tell me, isn't Bigby, in the videogame, portraied much younger and defeanetly more attractive than in he comics? Anyway, I believe that no one could care less about Bloody Mary's phisique. Bloody Mary was admired because of her creepy personality, not becaise of her small boobs. Actually, the fact that you give so much importance to her look, while everyone else was just trilled with her story, makes you the one who overvalues sex and looks.
Throughout the first three games she dawned a pair of pants and boots, although she was already deemed "sexy" and "attractive" given that her top was strapless and showed off her stomach, she still had a somewhat realistic body as far as video game cartoon standards go.
Lol I don't think some pale woman with glass and blood all over her is going to arouse many people. All joking aside however, I really don't see the difference. Yeah, maybe she does have larger breasts but I don't think they were drawn that way with any intent to offend and/or arouse.
EDIT: Also, how long do you think it will be until this thread is inevitably closed :P
I'm a woman, and I'm so damn tired of all those women who see discriminantion and sexual objectification everywhere. Do you really feel he n… moreeed of arguing on some comic book charactets' breast size? Are you really so insecure you can't accept that a fictional character is drew as a idealized beauty? And tell me, isn't Bigby, in the videogame, portraied much younger and defeanetly more attractive than in he comics? Anyway, I believe that no one could care less about Bloody Mary's phisique. Bloody Mary was admired because of her creepy personality, not becaise of her small boobs. Actually, the fact that you give so much importance to her look, while everyone else was just trilled with her story, makes you the one who overvalues sex and looks.
It's not like they pulled a Lara Croft and made her breasts exceedingly huge, they just made them more plump. I get what you're saying, but they didn't over-sexualize it.
They make men who fight very muscular, yes. Doesn't men who fight being muscular make total sense?
That's not really the same as sexualis… moreation; men run around with way more clothes on that women, and theyy have more muscles because they're meant to be strong.
I don't see what Mary could have done to gain rounder and more prominent breasts.
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After reading the first two lines, I'm starting to think you're just joking
So you don't think a game where you rape women is hurtful?
You don't think a young child seeing herself in a fictional character with a plus size body like hers isn't good?
Extract my what makes my last post so futile?
Last time I checked rape is a terrible and fat characters who aren't played off as the butt end of fatphobic jokes are important.
believe or not theirs more to gender then just man and women.
And what's wrong with the second line? A man can understand all the things a women goes through? He can't get the whe picture of something that doesn't affect him.
The fact that you said HazzaTheMan wouldn't understand what sexualizing is because he was a man, could also be found as sexism on your part. We can go all day claiming things.
Ah yes, because men totally know more about sexualizing women then women.
Seriously, though if you aren't a part of a certain group you can never truly understand what it's like. It would be like a straight person trying to tell an lgbt person what's homophobic and what's not. Doesn't that sound fucked up to you?
You literally just contradicted yourself.
That was sarcasm.
(Are you comparing games about rape to Bloody Mary's look in the comics?)
1) A game about raping is obviously immoral, that's the purpose. It's not hurtful TO WOMEN, it's just wrong. I can't understand why you find it so offensive towards you personally just because you're a woman. There's literally any kind of videogames which include even more crude violence.
2) Don't you think a young child will become obsessed with his phisique after watching a superhero movie? I don't. At all. Igrew up watching cartoons whose characters were unbelievably pretty and idealized, but that didn't affect me at alla, because I knew they were just cartoons and I sincerely couldn't care less if the characters were prettier than me. Anyway, if a child does start to get obsessed, it's their parents' duty to supervise them and help them.
3) It's futil to get mad because of how Bloody Mary is drew in the comics
4) World is cruel, get over it. It doesn't matter your body size, you will be criticized anyway for a reason or another. Don't think attractive people have it easier. At the end of the day, it's only important to learn how to be self-ironic.
(Oh shit, it sounds like terribile pop music lyrics)
Yes, it was sarcasm telling me that men aren't able to understand something more than women can. Yet (I'm assuming you're female) you're able to tell me how things go for men, when you aren't even one? I'm afraid your argument isn't very well thought out.
Okay, you clearly aren't getting what I'm saying.
I'm not saying women are smarter then men, I'm saying that a person like a man wouldn't truly know something that EFFECTS women as much as a a women would.
Examples,
A straight person wouldn't know more then an lgbtq person about gender and sexuality because homophobia doesn't affect straight people.
The problem with this is that it doesn't affect anyone! Seriously, Mary having a bigger boob size in the comics than she did in the game doesn't affect anyone or anything, I'm sorry but it just doesn't. And they aren't even oversexualizing her, oversexualizing would be making it so the only thing you'd be able to focus on are her boobs, and being a straight man I can tell you the first thing that comes to my mind when looking at that cover, is NOT her boobs.
1) A game about raping WOMEN isn't hurtful to women? Hmmm that makes no sense. And no, I wasn't comparing Bloody Mary sexualized look in the comics to rape, that was just to show (mainly you) sexism and objectified to women exist, we have everything t get mad if this is the kind of games companies give us.
2) Some children (And adults) use fictional characters as a way as coping. Rep really matters to some people, I felt like crying when it was revealed Ellie from the last of us was a lesbian because I do rarely see that in media, it was so important for me to see myself in a character, and relate to her, to be reminded I was real and my sexuality wasn't there just to amuse men. Do you know are many people were hyped when they found out Dorian Pavus, Sera, and Krem from dragon age were gay, lesbian, and a Trans man? Do you know how they and myself felt we we saw ourself in a game? You most likely never knew how that little girl felt, you never knew if she had to deal with fatphobic comments about her body and how she felt about her body image, She saw herself in Rose Quartz (A beautiful plus size cartoon character who is never EVER the butt end of fat jokes, and is very much loved, strong, and smart) and that made her feel good about herself! And you to fucking dimiss that is just so fucking gross and sickeningly! Rep really fucking matters!
I meant that it isn't disrespectful to women in particular, it's immoral and offensive in general. I never said raping was something to undervalue, I said that it's useless to complain about it in video games.
When did I talk about gay or lesbians? I thought we were talking about phisiques.
As I said, children and even adults go through any kind of critism and scorn, it's soething common that you eventually learn how to deal with.
A game where you play as a man and rape women is disrespectful to women, it feeds into the toxic idea women are only there is pleasure men, that sex without consent is okay.
I brought up lgbt stuff because rep is important, whenever it's body, sexuality, or gender, it's important we see ourselves in games, comics, etc. you clearly don't get our how rep is important.
There's a fine line between Critism and body shaming, etc. The fact we should have a "get over it" personality instead of addressing the problem is only going to make it worst.
She doesn't have to do anything? Just because a women has big breasts doesn't mean they're oversexualizing her... there are women with big breasts in real life too.
And it's not just the muscles. Every super hero comic makes the men so handsome and overall attractive, even when it doesn't make sense.
I never thought I'll live to see a day where people are seriously fighting over fictional character's sexualization when it has no impact whatsoever. What the fuck.
TWAU section was dying dude, it needed a revamp! XD
Seriously though, this has been going on for a while...
This is ridiculous, really. Plus, OP attacking those who reply isn't helping too.
Not really...
Sure, i don't like that she's being sexualized in a comic book cover, but is it worth getting that worked up about it? I don't really consider that ''fanservice'', the artist probably just wanted to make a nice looking cover and forgot that she doesn't have that sort of physique.
I'm sure she's still all that. And she's not going to be any less awesome because of some cover art that sexualized her a bit.
A social justice warrior that ends up revealing herself to be more sexist than anyone else involved? Sounds about right....
Also comic characters (whatever gender) for the most part look appealing, never read fables of course but its often the case
Finally I've never understood whats wrong with characters being sexualised? There's nothing wrong with sexually attractive characters, unless they alter the characters entire personality I dont see any reason for any complaints
Im mystified as to what any of this has to do with this comic, which has vey little sex in it period. The only people we see showing their bodies are Nerissa the stripper, Bigby with his shirt off and Mary changing clothes. That hardly equates to a rape simulator.
There's nothing wrong, really.
I salute you !
I think I once said this in a Life is Strange thread , but gonna say it again : There are people who actually look at a woman's body in a video game/movie/tv series in order to find sexism , just as there are people who literally count the number of women/people from different ethnic groups for the sole reason of bashing that game/movie/etc . I find these kind of people way more racist/sexist than others !
As an example , I remember when a female character died in Hannibal(the TV series) and a lot of people just went crazy over it ! I mean c'mon , do they actually believe the writers were all like "You know what we should do ?! KILL A WOMAN MUHAHAHAHA" . Apparently in their world it's only men who die
I sincerely believe the whole equality thing , is way simpler(and ofc more beautiful) than what these people make it look like . Don't judge people/look down on them in any way based on their gender/skin color/nationality/sexual orientation/etc . Is it srsly that hard ?!
Crap, OP is a radicalfeminist/ social justice warrior. Better run away before her opinion and flawed arguments threatens my manhood/penis.
Cover isn't that bad by the way.
Isn't she..... a fox.
Lol I don't think some pale woman with glass and blood all over her is going to arouse many people. All joking aside however, I really don't see the difference. Yeah, maybe she does have larger breasts but I don't think they were drawn that way with any intent to offend and/or arouse.
EDIT: Also, how long do you think it will be until this thread is inevitably closed :P
"makes you the one who overvalues sex and looks."
SLAMDUNK!
The OP will be happy to know, Mary is back to being an A-cup in the comic, lol
She wasn't even that slim in the game!
All that hullabaloo over nothing, lol
Indeed.
These kinds of threads just prove that we're running out of stuff to talk about. At least the publicity this received has died down for the most part.
'Tis sad, but 'twas inevitable.
Unfortunately. As a matter of fact, Bloody Mary herself wouldn't even care about this crap, lol.
No, she would be too busy torturing us in fantastically artistic ways.
It's not like they pulled a Lara Croft and made her breasts exceedingly huge, they just made them more plump. I get what you're saying, but they didn't over-sexualize it.