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biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
edited July 2009 in Tales of Monkey Island
As I said in the newest blog that tells about the release of Monkey Island (the SQUEAL! one), I think telltale should release Monkey Island in Episodes so we can try out a full length episode, and not end up wasting $35 if we don't like it. Please post your opinions here.
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  • chifanpoechifanpoe
    edited July 2009
    Isn't episode 1 also a demo?
  • HallenbeckHallenbeck
    edited July 2009
    Simply AMAZING! I think I am half way tot he end, but it's wonderfull to see the good old Guybrush, with new graphic but, and that is really something to Praise the telltale guys, with the good old sense of humor!

    GO ON GUYS!
  • GuineaGuinea
    edited July 2009
    If you liked previous monkey island games, you can not get by this one anyway.
    I think it is well worth the money, if that helps.
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Hallenbeck wrote: »
    Simply AMAZING! I think I am half way tot he end, but it's wonderfull to see the good old Guybrush, with new graphic but, and that is really something to Praise the telltale guys, with the good old sense of humor!

    GO ON GUYS!

    not to be rude, but how does this have anything to do with my question?
  • IrishmileIrishmile
    edited July 2009
    I will tell you when I am done playing all the episodes
  • crkpt1crkpt1
    edited July 2009
    Yes, but to play episode one,you have to pre order and pay for all the comming episodes. I think this is a shady business model to say the least. If the episodes are also offered up individually without any discount, real or imagined, then it is fair and square.
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Yes, but to play episode one,you have to pre order and pay for all the comming episodes. I think this is a shady business model to say the least. If the episodes are also offered up individually without any discount, real or imagined, then it is fair and square.

    thank you! thats how I feel
  • GuineaGuinea
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Yes, but to play episode one,you have to pre order and pay for all the comming episodes. I think this is a shady business model to say the least. If the episodes are also offered up individually without any discount, real or imagined, then it is fair and square.

    This is why there is a demo version of the first episode.
    If you do not hate the demo with a passion, chances are you'll like the rest of the first episode.
    Also if you buy the whole first episode, what do you do if you do not like the other four episodes?
  • WinterSnowblindWinterSnowblind
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Yes, but to play episode one,you have to pre order and pay for all the comming episodes. I think this is a shady business model to say the least. If the episodes are also offered up individually without any discount, real or imagined, then it is fair and square.

    I wouldn't call it shady.. If you buy any normal game, you're paying for the full thing and can't just decide to buy the first few levels. But seeing as this is episodic, I don't really understand why they don't just let us buy individual episodes.. Even if it's supposed to be one big story.
  • crkpt1crkpt1
    edited July 2009
    This is why there is a demo version of the first episode.

    Let me get this streight...If you wanted to buy doom, you would be more than happy to pre order and pay for doom2, doom3, doom4 and quake wars, if just doom came with a demo? See, if it was split into seperate episodes there could be as much as say...4 (FOUR) seperate demos? this way I would have a pretty good idea if i liked the next episodes or not without having to fork out for them first. It is not like it is a lot of work to take the whole episode and just cut everything but the first scene.
  • chriswebchrisweb
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Let me get this streight...If you wanted to buy doom, you would be more than happy to pre order and pay for doom2, doom3, doom4 and quake wars, if just doom came with a demo? See, if it was split into seperate episodes there could be as much as say...4 (FOUR) seperate demos? this way I would have a pretty good idea if i liked the next episodes or not without having to fork out for them first. It is not like it is a lot of work to take the whole episode and just cut everything but the first scene.

    perhaps your right, but you cant just buy one episode, you have to buy them all or nothing, so your arguments dont count ... i want one full game i can play from start to the end without having to wait a month after having played it for a few hours
  • WinterSnowblindWinterSnowblind
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Let me get this streight...If you wanted to buy doom, you would be more than happy to pre order and pay for doom2, doom3, doom4 and quake wars, if just doom came with a demo? See, if it was split into seperate episodes there could be as much as say...4 (FOUR) seperate demos? this way I would have a pretty good idea if i liked the next episodes or not without having to fork out for them first. It is not like it is a lot of work to take the whole episode and just cut everything but the first scene.

    That analagy doesn't work, those are totally seperate games.

    Like I said, Tales of Monkey Island is meant as one big game, just being released in seperate episodes. You wouldn't simply buy the first few levels of Doom to decide if you like it or not, you have to get the full thing. Just as you do here.
  • crkpt1crkpt1
    edited July 2009
    If my analogy was to be precise mr. nitpicker, what happens is that i get the first couple of levels, for the full amount of money and get a promise on the rest of the game to come over the next 5 months. If you have to pay for the full game up-front, what is the idea of episodes? One of the nice things about episodic gaming in the first palce is that you can jump in and out of a season as you please, without putting down money up front. Buy the first couple of episodes and decide if you want to continue playing. if you dont like the first couple of episodes youre down 16-20$ instead of 35 with a monthly reminder of the money you feel that you wasted on the bastardiztion of a dear childhood memory.
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    I just think they should have it like all the other games where you can buy episodes individually and if you do like it you can buy the "Upgrade" and get the rest of the episodes for a reduced price
  • Toothless GibbonToothless Gibbon
    edited July 2009
    Arrgh voted no by accident, cani change? (damn mobile safari)
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Toothless Gibbon wrote: »
    Arrgh voted no by accident, cani change? (damn mobile safari)
    if there is I dont know a way....Dont worry though, i forgive you........just this time......
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Please Telltale, I dont want to sound like a jerk or something, im just saying, in this economy, people are more willing to spend $7 than $35. if they like it, people will do the season upgrade and you'll still get $35, just slower. Even if people dont like the first episode, you still get $7.
  • FrogacudaFrogacuda
    edited July 2009
    I think releasing Chapter 1 as a stand-alone with the option to upgrade would be a good way to welcome hesitant customers. However, they should not release later chapters separately, since they don't stand alone like real episodes.

    So I voted no, but I guess my answer is more of a compromise.
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    If you have to pay for the full game up-front, what is the idea of episodes?
    If you subscribe to a magazine up front, what is the point of issues?. I don't find it weird at all. It's just subscribing to a serial product.
  • Liquid-XLiquid-X
    edited July 2009
    crkpt1 wrote: »
    Yes, but to play episode one,you have to pre order and pay for all the comming episodes. I think this is a shady business model to say the least. If the episodes are also offered up individually without any discount, real or imagined, then it is fair and square.

    Really? Did you know that you have to pay full price to play Team Fortress 2, Left 4 Dead, and Half Life 2?. Curse those evil jerks at Valve! Curse them and their shady ways of doing buisness, forcing me to buy the whole game just to play it!
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Frogacuda wrote: »
    I think releasing Chapter 1 as a stand-alone with the option to upgrade would be a good way to welcome hesitant customers. However, they should not release later chapters separately, since they don't stand alone like real episodes.

    So I voted no, but I guess my answer is more of a compromise.
    If you subscribe to a magazine up front, what is the point of issues?. I don't find it weird at all. It's just subscribing to a serial product.

    You have a good reason to say no
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    According to the poll, It seems that i have made my point.
  • lawrenceklawrencek
    edited July 2009
    I don't know if this has been suggested yet (I skimmed the thread), but why not just have these three options? (I know two of them are an option, but just laying it out for everyone!):

    Single Episode option (Buy them all separately if you want as they come out)
    Upgrade option (Buy at least one of the episodes, and then upgrade to the full season at a later date)
    Complete Season option (This is where pre-purchase extras could be added in as an incentive to purchase all the games!)

    Just my opinion on the matter!
  • meandermeander
    edited July 2009
    Just pointing out that we don't know yet that TT aren't going to allow people to buy individual episodes later on... I understand with previous games like sam and max they've made the option of buying just one episode available later on? so maybe wait and see...
  • ThespisThespis
    edited July 2009
    Read this:
    Jake wrote: »
    With Wallace & Gromit we turned on individual episode purchases sometime between the first two episodes (or right when episode 2 came out). I don't know our exact plans but I wouldn't be surprised if something similar happens.

    We also have often allowed customers to upgrade from a single episode to the full season for the difference in price -- $26. That also wouldn't surprise me!

    The reason we haven't been having single episodes, full seasons, and upgrades available at launch for W&G and Tales of MI is because, especially for new faces not familiar with episodic gaming, it proved time and again to be amazingly confusing! People come expecting a "new Sam & Max game" or a "new Monkey Island" and then instead of seeing something which says "click here to buy your new Monkey Island!!!" they see "click here to buy chapter one." "already bought the game? click here to upgrade!" "get your full season pass here -- get all five episodes together for less!" and ... well, people were confused.

    We used that model for three game series -- Sam & Max season one, Sam & Max season two, and Strong Bad -- and collected lots of data and ran surveys and talked to customers and figured out that, yes indeed, people preferred simplicity from the outset. So that's what we now offer, and expand it out as things clear up and become more comfortable.
  • ScapettiScapetti
    edited July 2009
    Toothless Gibbon wrote: »
    Arrgh voted no by accident, cani change? (damn mobile safari)

    Funny, I just voted YES by accident :/

    I assumed this was just another topic where someone was saying "Monkey Island shouldn't be in episodic form". And I saw the poll first D:

    That being said, I don't think it would really work if they sold them each separately. People who only recently find out about the new game will look and go "ooh, a new monkey island game, I'll get the most recent one" not realising the story isn't so self contained.

    I think of Tales of Monkey Island as being more like a book. You don't skip ahead to the next chapter in a book (unless you don't know how to read).

    I don't really see any plus side to this, other than wanting to purchase a chapter on the wii and then wanting to continue it on PC or vice versa.

    But I think it will more likely just confuse people and there is always a demo if you try out the game and end up not liking it.
  • ScapettiScapetti
    edited July 2009
    biscuitdoughhandsman wrote: »
    According to the poll, It seems that i have made my point.

    Yes but your poll was poorly worded and there have already been mistakes. The best way to read people's opinions is not through statistics but to read their posts on here... just saying ;)
  • coolsomecoolsome
    edited July 2009
    I think it makes it last longer and the clifhangers have more suspense then a few seconds chapter title sequence
  • Rather DashingRather Dashing
    edited July 2009
    Thespis wrote: »
    Read this:
    I've seen this. The problem is that they're dealing with it very badly.

    The episodic model used for Sam and Max is largely what drew me to the company. Being able to buy one episode and then upgrade to the season was a big part of that, along with the Season Pass option. This and their customer service and their forum posts endeared the company to me.

    I think that removing the option, rather than finding a way to explain it in-store, is a disservice and an insult to new customers.
  • SHODANFreemanSHODANFreeman
    edited July 2009
    Single episode purchases WILL HAPPEN, it always does, now stop whining about it. If you care so much about only buying one episode, then you can be patient enough to wait a couple weeks for the option to do so.

    If you don't want to wait, you can just have faith in TTG like most of us do and buy the whole game, $35 for a full game is dirt cheap.
  • BorginatorBorginator
    edited July 2009
    Just to throw it out there (as a potential compramise to both the options) Suppose the first episode you buy (it doesn't matter which) cost £10, then the next episode is reduced cost, say £8, then £6 then £4 with the 5th game free so that way you don't have the financial commitment of buying all the games outright, you still have an incentive to buy the next in the series and TTG get more money if you decide just to get one or two episodes.... Almost like a loyalty scheme... I do fear however it may be confusing (which is what TTG were avoiding)
  • the_boothe_boo
    edited July 2009
    It could be an issue with the license from Lucasarts. It is the only game like this that I can find with a deal like this. It's the same on Steam as well, they have it listed as "An epic adventure in Five parts".
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Pale Man wrote: »
    Single episode purchases WILL HAPPEN, it always does, now stop whining about it. If you care so much about only buying one episode, then you can be patient enough to wait a couple weeks for the option to do so.

    If you don't want to wait, you can just have faith in TTG like most of us do and buy the whole game, $35 for a full game is dirt cheap.

    I do have faith in TTG, but theres been times when games made from companies that have kick butt games come out with one thats just terrible......Oh and bye the way, in this economy, you should know that money is tight. $35 is expensive if the game is terrible. If you like spending money on worthless junk though, be my guest (TELLTALE I AM NOT SAYING THIS GAME IS WORTHLESS JUNK, I'M JUST SAYING IF IT WAS...)
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    Rather Dashing wrote: »
    I've seen this. The problem is that they're dealing with it very badly.

    The episodic model used for Sam and Max is largely what drew me to the company. Being able to buy one episode and then upgrade to the season was a big part of that, along with the Season Pass option. This and their customer service and their forum posts endeared the company to me.

    I think that removing the option, rather than finding a way to explain it in-store, is a disservice and an insult to new customers.

    I have to say thats what drew me too.
  • Magic EmperorMagic Emperor
    edited July 2009
    If Sam & Max worked with episodes, why not Monkey Island?
    The episodic model used for Sam and Max is largely what drew me to the company. Being able to buy one episode and then upgrade to the season was a big part of that, along with the Season Pass option. This and their customer service and their forum posts endeared the company to me.

    I think that removing the option, rather than finding a way to explain it in-store, is a disservice and an insult to new customers.

    Home run!
  • Lena_PLena_P
    edited July 2009
    Um, wow. I think giving people the option to buy one episode at a time is a good idea, too, but I don't think not offering the option at the moment is "insulting" or "shady". They've pretty much said that as soon as there are two episodes to choose from people will have the option to buy one or the other. In the long run there will have been around a three month period where you couldn't buy just one episode, that's it. It's not like you'll never have the opportunity to buy just one episode, you'll just have to wait for it. I don't see how that's so horrible.
  • guitarsareboringguitarsareboring
    edited July 2009
    You can download the first episode separately to be played as a demo from gamespot.com

    I'm sure it's available elsewhere too
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    guitarsareboring wrote: »
    You can download the first episode separately to be played as a demo from gamespot.com

    I'm sure it's available elsewhere too

    i dont trust them though
  • jp-30jp-30
    edited July 2009
    You can download the first episode separately to be played as a demo from here;

    http://www.telltalegames.com/demo/launchofthescreamingnarwhal
  • ZincZinc
    edited July 2009
    biscuitdoughhandsman wrote: »
    According to the poll, It seems that i have made my point.

    Here's your cookie. Please don't choke.
  • biscuitdoughhandsmanbiscuitdoughhandsman
    edited July 2009
    jp-30 wrote: »
    You can download the first episode separately to be played as a demo from here;

    http://www.telltalegames.com/demo/launchofthescreamingnarwhal

    is this the full episode???
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