Mira's sacrifice is marriage
Marriage to a man inorder to save her family. The man will most likely be hideous looking and old but its a sacrifice that needs to be made.
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Marriage to a man inorder to save her family. The man will most likely be hideous looking and old but its a sacrifice that needs to be made.
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Or you know...Morgryn?
I swear this was a thread a few months back.
But Morgryn is fairly attractive, witty, seemingly generous, and the way he acted at the wedding hinted at his social skills. It would still suck, don't get me wrong, but not really as much of a sacrifice if you ask me.
Unless he is actually a psycho. I mean, it's possible.
I am really suspicious of him. He is just too perfect to be true, for all the reasons you said. There has to be something wrong with him.
Exactly. I was paranoid about him since Damien tried to kill Mira. I thought to myself the person who sent him had to be one of the marchants, and Andros was just too obvious, so I thought it had to be Morgryn. That's why I asked Tarwick about him, and that line made my fears worse.
It doesn't have to mean death to Mira, of course. Having someone considered dangerous on your side can be beneficial. But I just don't trust him to wash my dishes, let alone to marry Mira.
Edits: Clarified a few things.
Mom = Mira x Tom.
I don't think you understand marriage in game of thrones, most nobles marry for their families to benefit not because of love or looks.
Is that not exactly what he meant? Marriage to a man would save her family because it would guarantee the loyalty of their lord and his bannermen if there are any. That's why he emphasised on the man to be ugly and old, because it's not for love or looks.
To be honest I've been thinking that this is a possibility for a while now. I still don't trust Morgryn though. He's far to calm, collected and charming. He seems to have a little finger vibe about him. I also strongly suspect that he is the one who hired Damien to kill Mira. He was very quick to jump in, when Lucan tried to confront Mira about Damien.
I know this might sound mad, but before episode 5, I thought that maybe, just maybe Mira might have to marry Griff! However I quickly dismissed it as a ludicrous idea. It is, however the worst marriage I can think of for Mira.
But he is saying it like it is extremely important that his is ugly and old. Mira could marry a young and handsome lord and could benefit just as much as if she marry an old and ugly lord.
But then that wouldn't be much of a sacrifice, would it? Unless he beats her, or tortures and kills her like Ramsay did to poor Lady Hornwood.
Nothing in game of thrones is a sacrifice, its life.
I don't think the OP was thinking of Morgryn, since he is handsome. Of course, marrying him could still be a sacrifice if he hurts Mira physically after they are married. I also agree with you, I firmly believe he was the one who hired Damien, but marrying Mira and then killing her would only benefit him if all the male members of her family were dead (then he would have dibs on Ironrath but could still marry some other unfortunate soul). It is possible that he wanted her dead after she ruined his deal with Tyrion, and then he sent Damien after her (or maybe Andros did, but since they were still partners, Morgryn probably knew about it one way or another), but that he doesn't want her dead right now. He seems to be the kind of person that would easily change his mind once taking a different direction seemed to be more beneficial to him, and maybe Mira showing up alive after he sent an assassin after her was enough for him to decide that trying for an alliance would be a better route.
Also, after reading people's opinions on him around here, I also considered that maybe he was actually going to suggest an alliance by marriage during the Purple Wedding, which is why he put so much emphasis on the word "together" ("What if we were to work together? Control the price of the ironwood together. We could get very, very rich,together"). It could be safer for him, since Mira would't be able to simply ditch him if she found a better offer.
Yes, I am quite aware I am overthinking it. I overthink everything regarding this kind of character. You should see me discussing Petyr. I just love scheming little rats like them :P
It was. Like exactly the same, word for word.
No bacon for you!
10/10 for fresh discussions guys!
"My mother insisted."
I would like to steal Lord Tarwick away from Sera. Not sure what kind of advantage it would give House Forrester, but the personal satisfaction of screwing Sera over makes it more than worth my while.
Mira's sacrifice is death.
Of course! But that misses the point the OP is making entirely. The thread says that Mira's sacrifice would be marrying someone old and ugly, so her marrying someone young and handsome deviates from the point of the thread because it wouldn't be the sacrifice the OP is proposing.
Also, what I was saying was exactly that someone young and handsome could still beat, torture and kill her, therefore being an awful choice. So obviously I am well aware that youth & looks are not everything. Maybe it was confusing because I used Ramsay as an example, and he is not really handsome, but I used him as an example because he actually starved his wife to death. I should have used Joffrey instead as an example, I guess, but he died before he could harm his wife. Oh and just in case you don't think Joffrey is handsome, yeah, maybe not in the show, but in the books he is supposed to be very handsome according to Sansa.
Did you reveal Sera's secret to him, or did you lie for Sera?
I don't want revenge so badly on Sera, I understand why she did what she did. But I agree that Tarwick would be a good choice. He seems to be really nice, I feel bad for lying to him.
It probably wouldn't give too much advantage to the Forresters.
The fact that he was targeted by the Tyrells and Sera for marriage speaks of a guy who is so desperate for a match that he's willing to not ask too many questions and even when he does end up asking to Mira, he's still fully willing to take the word of someone he just met and not do his own due diligence and find out for himself about Sera's ancestry.
All this adds up to a guy who is probably not much more then his lordly name and title. If he was actually an influential, or wealthy or powerful lord he would not be slumming it with Sera and would go after a bride whose ancestry is completely secure.
I already sabotaged Sera and Tarwick's wedding anyway. I didn't feel right trapping him in a marriage without giving him all the facts.
I lied for her. Not much basis for trust in such a pairing, I'm afraid. I just didn't like Sera getting uppity with me in the next episode. I am a petty, petty man!
Yeah, I understand it too. I just didn't like it. I do think Tarwick is a nice man though. I really am sorry I lied to him. He deserves better than marriage to Sera and the resulting humiliation their union will cause.
He seems like the sort of guy Mira could easily control. But you're right. If Tarwick had any real wealth or influence, he would be marrying into a more powerful house.
I was surprised to hear from Sera that Tarwick was talking about marriage. While I lied to protect Sera, I expected her secret to come up either way eventually (I just didn't want to be the one to spill it). We still have one more chapter for that to happen, but with the last chapter I felt like they were taking Sera out of the narrative, so I don't know if it will be addressed.
seems i was right..
RISE THREAD
Spot on @Abeille.
I was surprised at the end of the episode , when i saw that only 3x % have chosen not to marry Morgryn. I mean Mira was saying in her cell that you have to do anything to survive , especially in place like King's Landing.
i agree, mira marrying him could give her a chance to strike back. its very similiar to sansa marrying ramsey. this game mimics the moral choices of the show/book very closely.
On my end, my Mira chose to die rather than let Tom be killed in her place. Yes, she could have possibly gained an opportunity to strike back later on but she was thinking, "I've let King's Landing get to me. I've lost my Northernness and become a Southern harpy like Cersei. I would rather die with honor than become a Whitehill." Which is an interesting alternative really.
For me, I think Mira's death with honor has meaning but it does make the entire KL plot seem pointless.
I only refused to marry him because it was way too obvious that Margaery wouldn't let us die like that, but I guess the plot demands it, oh well
Being somewhat good looking and okay at public speaking doesn't excuse being a sadistic creep though.
...and I just realized I replied to a comment that was made before the final episode. Wow, I suck. Sorry.
Speaking of marriage, look at this! Apparently, this is fanart of their Marriage. Might color it someday.
There is no such thing as "death with honor". You simply die and noone will care. I mean sacrificing the coal boy was the thing to do , because this is the point of the game , especially in the GoT universe , where you have to do things that you don't like (for example Margery). So when you are in King's Landing , wanted it or not you just become a harpy.