I honestly found her not that much different at all in the two episodes. Like I said before, her monotone behaviour is how ANYONE would be like who's grown up to see all the horrible things they've seen.
I know what you mean, and I don't think I need to constantly say this, but it's expected of someone like that. I noticed she was completely monotone, it's rather obvious. Plus, she was rather the same in the episode as she was in the last. So I don't really know how your opinion is all of the sudden changing.
She actually has a lot more emotion in her voice this time around. Like, compare when she "cheerfully" greeted Sam to when she cheerfully talked about Kenny. Her voice was flat in the first, in the second, you can hear the joy in her voice.
I know what you mean, and I don't think I need to constantly say this, but it's expected of someone like that. I noticed she was completely … moremonotone, it's rather obvious. Plus, she was rather the same in the episode as she was in the last. So I don't really know how your opinion is all of the sudden changing.
She was meeting a dog she wasn't too sure if was hostile or not. Not to mention she was just stranded ashore and stressed out. If she was as happy meeting a dog as she would be Kenny I would find it a bit strange to say the least. Kenny is a man she knew from before. I think her reactions are fine with both scenerios and there was NOTHING wrong with her behaviour in Episode 1.
She actually has a lot more emotion in her voice this time around. Like, compare when she "cheerfully" greeted Sam to when she cheerfully talked about Kenny. Her voice was flat in the first, in the second, you can hear the joy in her voice.
Her facial expressions showed otherwise. She was smiling, and being nice, she just sounded like an idiot. What's really wrong with it is the fact that the emotional ones, the interesting ones are all of the Clem we wouldn't want. Like threatening somebody for being a bitch. If somebody deserves something like that just for yelling at someone, then Kenny deserves to be decapitated for leaving my Lee under a fucking door.
She was meeting a dog she wasn't too sure if was hostile or not. Not to mention she was just stranded ashore and stressed out. If she was as… more happy meeting a dog as she would be Kenny I would find it a bit strange to say the least. Kenny is a man she knew from before. I think her reactions are fine with both scenerios and there was NOTHING wrong with her behaviour in Episode 1.
You are the only person I have met on this forum with this idea, and if there are others they are few and far between. I'm not saying it's wrong... just that it's wrong. Lol I kid, but I don't agree in the slightest
Her facial expressions showed otherwise. She was smiling, and being nice, she just sounded like an idiot. What's really wrong with it is the… more fact that the emotional ones, the interesting ones are all of the Clem we wouldn't want. Like threatening somebody for being a bitch. If somebody deserves something like that just for yelling at someone, then Kenny deserves to be decapitated for leaving my Lee under a fucking door.
It was a soft smile, if she was any happier seeing a wild animal it would've been very odd. You really think she should sound hippity-happity when she saw a dog that could possibly be a threat?
Of all the criticisms All that Remains had from the community, you're the only user I've seen criticise Clem herself for being monotone. Which I've said a hundred and ten times, is expected of someone like this. If you don't believe that for being true well then you're just simply in denial or don't know a single thing about human psychology. Her performance wasn't even remotely as bad as you make it sound. I was actually hoping she wasn't going to have the same innocent way of talking like she was in the first Season, would've made it more difficult to see her character evolve.
Anyway I'm done arguing about this, as much as you loathe Clementine's monotone performance in the episode, you can't compare her first meeting with a wild dog over a man she hadn't seen for over two years. Why? Because it's inhuman.
EDIT: Also should be noted, I don't really think she cared how she sounded talking to an animal. Most dogs don't understand English at all.
Her facial expressions showed otherwise. She was smiling, and being nice, she just sounded like an idiot. What's really wrong with it is the… more fact that the emotional ones, the interesting ones are all of the Clem we wouldn't want. Like threatening somebody for being a bitch. If somebody deserves something like that just for yelling at someone, then Kenny deserves to be decapitated for leaving my Lee under a fucking door.
A soft smile should be accompanied by a happy voice.
So what if it's expected? It's dumb to listen to her bumble her way through an episode. It'd be fine if she didn't show emotion maybe twice for the lot of it. A better solution would be to maybe have her do that in the beginning, and slowly grow out of it throughout the episode.I didn't say I wanted her to sound the same, I said I wanted her to sound normal. She didn't sound normal.
Oh, is it? Is it really cruel?
They understand tones. They understand tones more than literally anything else. You put your voice low and loud, a dog gets scared, you put your voice bored and uncaring, the dog doesn't give a shit either. Make your voice happy and excited, and the dog perks up.
It was a soft smile, if she was any happier seeing a wild animal it would've been very odd. You really think she should sound hippity-happit… morey when she saw a dog that could possibly be a threat?
Of all the criticisms All that Remains had from the community, you're the only user I've seen criticise Clem herself for being monotone. Which I've said a hundred and ten times, is expected of someone like this. If you don't believe that for being true well then you're just simply in denial or don't know a single thing about human psychology. Her performance wasn't even remotely as bad as you make it sound. I was actually hoping she wasn't going to have the same innocent way of talking like she was in the first Season, would've made it more difficult to see her character evolve.
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She did sound normal, it's only you who thinks she doesn't. Anyway I'm done arguing with this, you clearly have one major stinge with the episode that's only a problem with you since you're overlooking it. And I'm tired of repeating myself, everything I've said has trumped your reasons. It was a wild dog, she was being cautious. If she was happy and perky, I would've thought the opposite. That it was dangerous and stupid to sound like that.
Believe what you want to believe though, at this point I don't really care.
A soft smile should be accompanied by a happy voice.
So what if it's expected? It's dumb to listen to her bumble her way through an episo… morede. It'd be fine if she didn't show emotion maybe twice for the lot of it. A better solution would be to maybe have her do that in the beginning, and slowly grow out of it throughout the episode.I didn't say I wanted her to sound the same, I said I wanted her to sound normal. She didn't sound normal.
Oh, is it? Is it really cruel?
They understand tones. They understand tones more than literally anything else. You put your voice low and loud, a dog gets scared, you put your voice bored and uncaring, the dog doesn't give a shit either. Make your voice happy and excited, and the dog perks up.
Not only me. I've talked to plenty of people who think the same. You don't seem to be done. Everything you've said has not trumped what I said, believe it or not. She would be pretty fucking sure once she decided to play catch with the damn thing, so she wasn't being cautious, Melissa Hutchison just didn't want to emote.
She did sound normal, it's only you who thinks she doesn't. Anyway I'm done arguing with this, you clearly have one major stinge with the ep… moreisode that's only a problem with you since you're overlooking it. And I'm tired of repeating myself, everything I've said has trumped your reasons. It was a wild dog, she was being cautious. If she was happy and perky, I would've thought the opposite. That it was dangerous and stupid to sound like that.
Believe what you want to believe though, at this point I don't really care.
Plenty? I've been on here quite a while and you're the only person I've seen say this. Oh please don't make me repeat myself AGAIN. Lol you really just seem to be doing this to annoy me now. Doesn't hurt to mention she was just washed ashore after getting into a big fight. And Melissa was great. If anyone was to blame, it's actually the voice director for thinking it was fine the way it was. And I don't think there was anything wrong with her being monotone at all. Not even when she was playing with Sam. Ever have them moments when you're just trying to get your head off things by occupying yourself but you can't because what had happened was something a tad bit too extreme? Well, that's a pretty good way of pointing out what Clem was doing.
Not only me. I've talked to plenty of people who think the same. You don't seem to be done. Everything you've said has not trumped what I sa… moreid, believe it or not. She would be pretty fucking sure once she decided to play catch with the damn thing, so she wasn't being cautious, Melissa Hutchison just didn't want to emote.
It doesn't seem like you do.
Zeruis agrees with me, and so do several people in my real life. That's enough for plenty in my mind. I'm doing this because you're kinda being a prick about it. You have a point with the voice director. I suppose it's both. If she were really intended to be in that fake happiness, she wouldn't have a genuine joyous smile on her face when she played catch.
Plenty? I've been on here quite a while and you're the only person I've seen say this. Oh please don't make me repeat myself AGAIN. Lol you … morereally just seem to be doing this to annoy me now. Doesn't hurt to mention she was just washed ashore after getting into a big fight. And Melissa was great. If anyone was to blame, it's actually the voice director for thinking it was fine the way it was. And I don't think there was anything wrong with her being monotone at all. Not even when she was playing with Sam. Ever have them moments when you're just trying to get your head off things by occupying yourself but you can't because what had happened was something a tad bit too extreme? Well, that's a pretty good way of pointing out what Clem was doing.
I loved season 1 Clem, but I FREAKING LOVE season 2 Clem. She absolutely incredible. So strong, smart, determined, brave, caring, and she has that get it done attitude. Not to mention her sass, maturity, and the fact that she can still pull off the sweet "I'm a little girl" thing to strangers like Mattew.
Well she is still pretty small and not as strong as some walkers. It makes sense for her to use her agility and speed to get away from them. Plus it gives her less chance of getting bit.
I really like this badass version. Of course, I liked her before, but if she didn't evolve into this badass, then I wouldn't like her this m… moreuch. Staying for years, and not growing up tough only will make you get killed. Still, I kind of feel silly when most of the time she sees walkers, she kind of runs away from them. Sure, shooting them would attract noise, but she should start using a knife or a sword or something more...
She's still Clementine no matter what, so I can't choose. I liked her in Season one and I like her now. I remember that while playing No time left I was thinking about Clementine's future, imagining how she was going to change, how much she would be forced to grow up and leave her innocence behind... When Lee was saying his last words to her, I knew that from that moment on Clem wasn't going to be just a little girl anymore...
I don't mean to sound like a prick, if I do I'm sorry I guess. I'm just finding it hard to know where you're coming from. I don't blame her for having the type of emotionless tone she had. To me, it's just how someone would be like after how much they went through. Her more happier tone in Episode 2 can be explained by her being around people now. But I don't see too much of a difference between her attitude in the two episodes anyway.
Zeruis agrees with me, and so do several people in my real life. That's enough for plenty in my mind. I'm doing this because you're kinda be… moreing a prick about it. You have a point with the voice director. I suppose it's both. If she were really intended to be in that fake happiness, she wouldn't have a genuine joyous smile on her face when she played catch.
I think she'd at least have some emotion while she was still with Christa. I'd understand completely if she had emotion with Christa, and then after warming up to Pete/Luke, she got emotion back, but she didn't.
I don't mean to sound like a prick, if I do I'm sorry I guess. I'm just finding it hard to know where you're coming from. I don't blame her … morefor having the type of emotionless tone she had. To me, it's just how someone would be like after how much they went through. Her more happier tone in Episode 2 can be explained by her being around people now. But I don't see too much of a difference between her attitude in the two episodes anyway.
Well the thing is, she was with Christa for over two years at that point. Don't think she really cared how she sounded towards her. I'm pretty sure you don't talk in a hippity-happity mood to your family & friends all the time, especially on a bad day.
But do as you will, if you had a problem with it so be it. I never thought it a big deal whatsoever though.
I think she'd at least have some emotion while she was still with Christa. I'd understand completely if she had emotion with Christa, and then after warming up to Pete/Luke, she got emotion back, but she didn't.
Well the thing is, she was with Christa for over two years at that point. Don't think she really cared how she sounded towards her. I'm pret… morety sure you don't talk in a hippity-happity mood to your family & friends all the time, especially on a bad day.
But do as you will, if you had a problem with it so be it. I never thought it a big deal whatsoever though.
I like how her character has matured, but I'm glad that she hasn't completely lost the empathy and endearment that she was able to express in the first season.
Her personality between seasons 1 and 2 is dissimilar enough that she could be considered to be two different characters. I just happen to prefer her character in season 1.
Less naive and more mature than all of the adults, with next to no quantifiable season 1 traits. Look, I'm not hating on season 2 Clementine, I just prefer her character in season 1. She just felt more believable to me. I don't know why people can't accept that. Before you make a post detailing traumatic experiences, know that I realize that and still find her character to be unrealistic.
That said, I expect that she will grow on me in the next episode. Due to the entire premise, there should be plenty of time for character development.
I'm just not understanding what you want to see here. If she was still the same person that she was back in season one that would be less believable than seeing her the way she is now. Shes growing up, and the situation around her is accelerating that process. How is that hard to find believable?
As for having zero traits from season one, that all depends on how you play her. Obviously if she was meant to be exactly like she was in season one you would have very few options in dialogue and choices would limited. Overall she still has that good-natured, clever, inquisitive air about her.
Less naive and more mature than all of the adults, with next to no quantifiable season 1 traits. Look, I'm not hating on season 2 Clementin… moree, I just prefer her character in season 1. She just felt more believable to me. I don't know why people can't accept that. Before you make a post detailing traumatic experiences, know that I realize that and still find her character to be unrealistic.
That said, I expect that she will grow on me in the next episode. Due to the entire premise, there should be plenty of time for character development.
Show me where I said that her "growing up" is hard to find believable. The fact that she is more competent, less naive, and more mature than all of the adults is what I find unbelievable. I also never said that she needed to be the exact same person as seen in season 1, although it would be nice for her character to at least somewhat resemble what it was before.
All of the traits you listed can be determinately applied to just about any protagonist in games with emphasis on choice. She has lost most of her unique season 1 traits. The traits that cemented her as a believable child character. Now, her character is reminiscent of Lara Croft with personality. You might find that attractive, but it doesn't do anything for me. Regardless of how unrealistic you feel it would be for her to regain some of her old traits, it doesn't change the fact that I simply prefer her character in season 1. Is preferring her season 1 character the incorrect choice or something?
I'm just not understanding what you want to see here. If she was still the same person that she was back in season one that would be less be… morelievable than seeing her the way she is now. Shes growing up, and the situation around her is accelerating that process. How is that hard to find believable?
As for having zero traits from season one, that all depends on how you play her. Obviously if she was meant to be exactly like she was in season one you would have very few options in dialogue and choices would limited. Overall she still has that good-natured, clever, inquisitive air about her.
Badass, she still us some innocence left. She is very intelligent and tough but (the way I play her) is not a complete desensitized duche. She is awsome!
Its fine that you prefer how she was in season one compared to how she is in season two. I don't have any argument against that, its your opinion.
I have no idea where you're getting the idea that shes even less naive than the adults. I'm also not sure how you figure shes more mature than any of them. If anything, shes at/near their level, and given everything that has happened in her life, as well as taking current circumstances into account, this should not be surprising. Even in season one we saw that Clementine was different than your average 8 year old girl. The only difference now is that shes more reserved and independent, shes capable of protecting herself, shes less happy, and she is less naive. She's not a completely new character. Like I said before, it's simply called growing up.
What do you want her to act like exactly? Do you want her to be dependent on non playable characters for protection? Do you want her to act like her best friend/ father figure wasn't brutally taken from her? Do you want her to be naive and left in the dark while the adults take care of business? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I just don't get what you could possibly be looking for. She has adapted to her situation, and its why shes surviving.
What about her seems over the top adult like/ unbelievable to you? Could you maybe list some examples?
Show me where I said that her "growing up" is hard to find believable. The fact that she is more competent, less naive, and more mature tha… moren all of the adults is what I find unbelievable. I also never said that she needed to be the exact same person as seen in season 1, although it would be nice for her character to at least somewhat resemble what it was before.
All of the traits you listed can be determinately applied to just about any protagonist in games with emphasis on choice. She has lost most of her unique season 1 traits. The traits that cemented her as a believable child character. Now, her character is reminiscent of Lara Croft with personality. You might find that attractive, but it doesn't do anything for me. Regardless of how unrealistic you feel it would be for her to regain some of her old traits, it doesn't change the fact that I simply prefer her character in season 1. Is preferring her season 1 character the incorrect choice or something?
I think he's more upset about the character changing than the character itself. I am personally upset that Clementine was made the protagonist. We had many discussions about why it is a bad idea to "protagonistify" a character with a preestablished personality after the release of episode 5, especially one as delicate as Clementine's. He could also be bothered by the time jump, meaning that he might have been happier to drop in on an earlier stage of her development rather than a completed stage. I personally have a problem with time jumps, but that is a narrative problem rather than one of Clementine.
I don't think the problem is that Clementine is portrayed as too competent, but that the adults are portrayed as too incompetent. Leaving the door open for Carver, letting a little girl operate a wind turbine, ignoring the threat of Carver's group at the Ski Lodge when they were just miles away, all of episode 1... It doesn't take much for Clementine to be more competent than that. At this point, I don't see how Clementine's character could improve much, other than perhaps giving her less of a bleak outlook and more miscellaneous dialog. Her interactions with Kenny were already a step in the right direction.
Its fine that you prefer how she was in season one compared to how she is in season two. I don't have any argument against that, its your op… moreinion.
I have no idea where you're getting the idea that shes even less naive than the adults. I'm also not sure how you figure shes more mature than any of them. If anything, shes at/near their level, and given everything that has happened in her life, as well as taking current circumstances into account, this should not be surprising. Even in season one we saw that Clementine was different than your average 8 year old girl. The only difference now is that shes more reserved and independent, shes capable of protecting herself, shes less happy, and she is less naive. She's not a completely new character. Like I said before, it's simply called growing up.
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Unless you're looking for it (as I was) I could see it passing over your head. She was a lot more monotone and boring in episode 1.
I prefer both of them, I mean she could use her innocent side to trick people, and if something bad happens, then she could use her badass side.
I know what you mean, and I don't think I need to constantly say this, but it's expected of someone like that. I noticed she was completely monotone, it's rather obvious. Plus, she was rather the same in the episode as she was in the last. So I don't really know how your opinion is all of the sudden changing.
She actually has a lot more emotion in her voice this time around. Like, compare when she "cheerfully" greeted Sam to when she cheerfully talked about Kenny. Her voice was flat in the first, in the second, you can hear the joy in her voice.
She was meeting a dog she wasn't too sure if was hostile or not. Not to mention she was just stranded ashore and stressed out. If she was as happy meeting a dog as she would be Kenny I would find it a bit strange to say the least. Kenny is a man she knew from before. I think her reactions are fine with both scenerios and there was NOTHING wrong with her behaviour in Episode 1.
Her facial expressions showed otherwise. She was smiling, and being nice, she just sounded like an idiot. What's really wrong with it is the fact that the emotional ones, the interesting ones are all of the Clem we wouldn't want. Like threatening somebody for being a bitch. If somebody deserves something like that just for yelling at someone, then Kenny deserves to be decapitated for leaving my Lee under a fucking door.
i think you must be some kind of badass if you wanna survive in a world like this
You are the only person I have met on this forum with this idea, and if there are others they are few and far between. I'm not saying it's wrong... just that it's wrong. Lol I kid, but I don't agree in the slightest
It was a soft smile, if she was any happier seeing a wild animal it would've been very odd. You really think she should sound hippity-happity when she saw a dog that could possibly be a threat?
Of all the criticisms All that Remains had from the community, you're the only user I've seen criticise Clem herself for being monotone. Which I've said a hundred and ten times, is expected of someone like this. If you don't believe that for being true well then you're just simply in denial or don't know a single thing about human psychology. Her performance wasn't even remotely as bad as you make it sound. I was actually hoping she wasn't going to have the same innocent way of talking like she was in the first Season, would've made it more difficult to see her character evolve.
Anyway I'm done arguing about this, as much as you loathe Clementine's monotone performance in the episode, you can't compare her first meeting with a wild dog over a man she hadn't seen for over two years. Why? Because it's inhuman.
EDIT: Also should be noted, I don't really think she cared how she sounded talking to an animal. Most dogs don't understand English at all.
A soft smile should be accompanied by a happy voice.
So what if it's expected? It's dumb to listen to her bumble her way through an episode. It'd be fine if she didn't show emotion maybe twice for the lot of it. A better solution would be to maybe have her do that in the beginning, and slowly grow out of it throughout the episode.I didn't say I wanted her to sound the same, I said I wanted her to sound normal. She didn't sound normal.
Oh, is it? Is it really cruel?
They understand tones. They understand tones more than literally anything else. You put your voice low and loud, a dog gets scared, you put your voice bored and uncaring, the dog doesn't give a shit either. Make your voice happy and excited, and the dog perks up.
She did sound normal, it's only you who thinks she doesn't. Anyway I'm done arguing with this, you clearly have one major stinge with the episode that's only a problem with you since you're overlooking it. And I'm tired of repeating myself, everything I've said has trumped your reasons. It was a wild dog, she was being cautious. If she was happy and perky, I would've thought the opposite. That it was dangerous and stupid to sound like that.
Believe what you want to believe though, at this point I don't really care.
Not only me. I've talked to plenty of people who think the same. You don't seem to be done. Everything you've said has not trumped what I said, believe it or not. She would be pretty fucking sure once she decided to play catch with the damn thing, so she wasn't being cautious, Melissa Hutchison just didn't want to emote.
It doesn't seem like you do.
Plenty? I've been on here quite a while and you're the only person I've seen say this. Oh please don't make me repeat myself AGAIN. Lol you really just seem to be doing this to annoy me now. Doesn't hurt to mention she was just washed ashore after getting into a big fight. And Melissa was great. If anyone was to blame, it's actually the voice director for thinking it was fine the way it was. And I don't think there was anything wrong with her being monotone at all. Not even when she was playing with Sam. Ever have them moments when you're just trying to get your head off things by occupying yourself but you can't because what had happened was something a tad bit too extreme? Well, that's a pretty good way of pointing out what Clem was doing.
Zeruis agrees with me, and so do several people in my real life. That's enough for plenty in my mind. I'm doing this because you're kinda being a prick about it. You have a point with the voice director. I suppose it's both. If she were really intended to be in that fake happiness, she wouldn't have a genuine joyous smile on her face when she played catch.
If you haven't been playing TWD season 1 and 2 with the goal of turning Clementine into a cold-blooded psychopath you've been doing it wrong.
How else is she going to be able to become a post-apocalyptic warlord?
I loved season 1 Clem, but I FREAKING LOVE season 2 Clem. She absolutely incredible. So strong, smart, determined, brave, caring, and she has that get it done attitude. Not to mention her sass, maturity, and the fact that she can still pull off the sweet "I'm a little girl" thing to strangers like Mattew.
Well she is still pretty small and not as strong as some walkers. It makes sense for her to use her agility and speed to get away from them. Plus it gives her less chance of getting bit.
Oh my god, yes thank you! Why don't people she see that!
She's still Clementine no matter what, so I can't choose. I liked her in Season one and I like her now. I remember that while playing No time left I was thinking about Clementine's future, imagining how she was going to change, how much she would be forced to grow up and leave her innocence behind... When Lee was saying his last words to her, I knew that from that moment on Clem wasn't going to be just a little girl anymore...
Yeah did you hear that one with the birds chirping...wait that was outside my house.
I don't mean to sound like a prick, if I do I'm sorry I guess. I'm just finding it hard to know where you're coming from. I don't blame her for having the type of emotionless tone she had. To me, it's just how someone would be like after how much they went through. Her more happier tone in Episode 2 can be explained by her being around people now. But I don't see too much of a difference between her attitude in the two episodes anyway.
I think she'd at least have some emotion while she was still with Christa. I'd understand completely if she had emotion with Christa, and then after warming up to Pete/Luke, she got emotion back, but she didn't.
Well the thing is, she was with Christa for over two years at that point. Don't think she really cared how she sounded towards her. I'm pretty sure you don't talk in a hippity-happity mood to your family & friends all the time, especially on a bad day.
But do as you will, if you had a problem with it so be it. I never thought it a big deal whatsoever though.
I don't sound hippity happy or whatever, I sound like I appreciate being around them. And most others I know do to.
Checked his account,he got banned.
I like your avatar _
We all have a bad day. And that was a bad day.
I prefer a blend of both.
I like how her character has matured, but I'm glad that she hasn't completely lost the empathy and endearment that she was able to express in the first season.
Well if that's the case, please don't show me the whole damn day, because in a one hour segment, that just makes you out to be kinda annoying.
I think her personality twist was kind of right for me. Another "Larry" wouldn't help the story much in my opinion.
What "Whole damn day"?
It's really not that different depending on how you play. In all shes simply less naive and more mature. Basic growing up stuff.
Less naive and more mature than all of the adults, with next to no quantifiable season 1 traits. Look, I'm not hating on season 2 Clementine, I just prefer her character in season 1. She just felt more believable to me. I don't know why people can't accept that. Before you make a post detailing traumatic experiences, know that I realize that and still find her character to be unrealistic.
That said, I expect that she will grow on me in the next episode. Due to the entire premise, there should be plenty of time for character development.
I'm just not understanding what you want to see here. If she was still the same person that she was back in season one that would be less believable than seeing her the way she is now. Shes growing up, and the situation around her is accelerating that process. How is that hard to find believable?
As for having zero traits from season one, that all depends on how you play her. Obviously if she was meant to be exactly like she was in season one you would have very few options in dialogue and choices would limited. Overall she still has that good-natured, clever, inquisitive air about her.
ya..I don't feel like dealing with another Larry...
Show me where I said that her "growing up" is hard to find believable. The fact that she is more competent, less naive, and more mature than all of the adults is what I find unbelievable. I also never said that she needed to be the exact same person as seen in season 1, although it would be nice for her character to at least somewhat resemble what it was before.
All of the traits you listed can be determinately applied to just about any protagonist in games with emphasis on choice. She has lost most of her unique season 1 traits. The traits that cemented her as a believable child character. Now, her character is reminiscent of Lara Croft with personality. You might find that attractive, but it doesn't do anything for me. Regardless of how unrealistic you feel it would be for her to regain some of her old traits, it doesn't change the fact that I simply prefer her character in season 1. Is preferring her season 1 character the incorrect choice or something?
Badass, she still us some innocence left. She is very intelligent and tough but (the way I play her) is not a complete desensitized duche. She is awsome!
It worked in the first season xD
Just kidding. You are right. If Clem was still a cutey, she would be like Sarah pretty much. All innocent and stuff.
Its fine that you prefer how she was in season one compared to how she is in season two. I don't have any argument against that, its your opinion.
I have no idea where you're getting the idea that shes even less naive than the adults. I'm also not sure how you figure shes more mature than any of them. If anything, shes at/near their level, and given everything that has happened in her life, as well as taking current circumstances into account, this should not be surprising. Even in season one we saw that Clementine was different than your average 8 year old girl. The only difference now is that shes more reserved and independent, shes capable of protecting herself, shes less happy, and she is less naive. She's not a completely new character. Like I said before, it's simply called growing up.
What do you want her to act like exactly? Do you want her to be dependent on non playable characters for protection? Do you want her to act like her best friend/ father figure wasn't brutally taken from her? Do you want her to be naive and left in the dark while the adults take care of business? I'm not trying to be rude or anything, I just don't get what you could possibly be looking for. She has adapted to her situation, and its why shes surviving.
What about her seems over the top adult like/ unbelievable to you? Could you maybe list some examples?
I think he's more upset about the character changing than the character itself. I am personally upset that Clementine was made the protagonist. We had many discussions about why it is a bad idea to "protagonistify" a character with a preestablished personality after the release of episode 5, especially one as delicate as Clementine's. He could also be bothered by the time jump, meaning that he might have been happier to drop in on an earlier stage of her development rather than a completed stage. I personally have a problem with time jumps, but that is a narrative problem rather than one of Clementine.
I don't think the problem is that Clementine is portrayed as too competent, but that the adults are portrayed as too incompetent. Leaving the door open for Carver, letting a little girl operate a wind turbine, ignoring the threat of Carver's group at the Ski Lodge when they were just miles away, all of episode 1... It doesn't take much for Clementine to be more competent than that. At this point, I don't see how Clementine's character could improve much, other than perhaps giving her less of a bleak outlook and more miscellaneous dialog. Her interactions with Kenny were already a step in the right direction.